No, not the passing of literal time, that exists, things age, and things grow old, that is a given. What I am referring to is the human measurement of time, which is immeasurable in itself.Captain Blackout said:
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Well, time itself isn't measurable, but we as humans feel a primal need to overpower nature, I.E. time. Since we can't actually decide what time it is (unless you're Chuck Norris... sorry, had to do it), we have to impose an arbitrary measurement on it.Bored Tomatoe said:
It's just like an economy. I'll give you four pieces of special green paper for that pig. Well... why?
The truth is, it may be illogical, impossible, and arbitrary, but it's useful to us. Therefore we should use it, whether it exists or not.
... my head hurts.
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Human measuremeant of the passage time does exist, it just needs more synchronisation to make it work properly.
My old highschool had clocks that were about 5 minutes fast.
Human measuremeant of the passage time does exist, it just needs more synchronisation to make it work properly.
My old highschool had clocks that were about 5 minutes fast.
Actually, the economy makes a lot of sense when you think back to how it started. After barter got boring, coins were introduced. The silver (or other precious metal) content of each coin was worth X of item Y. Over time, they phased out using valuable metal in the coins and replaced them with notes and the cheaper coins similar to what we use today. Each of them represented some amount of precious metal held by the government in trust. Essentially, each note theoretically could be exchanged with the national treasury for 1 pound of sterling silver, or similar. From there, things just sorta evolved. Nowadays, any bill/coin in circulation represents some value, held by the government, that you exchange for goods and services.Flying-Emu said:
It's much more convenient to carry a pocketful of paper and/or coins than hauling around a cart full of milk, or 3 goats and a chicken, that kind of thing.
You sort of missed my point. My point was that economics are based off of values, which are arbitrarily imposed. Gold, for example. Absolutely no practical use; it's just shiny. Yet it's one of the more valuable substances in the world.Agayek said:
Economies are LIES. Since every economy was basically started on the gold standard.
Well yea, gold has no value, except that it's rare. We as a society got together and said "From this point on, X gold is worth Y cows" or whatever. It is fairly arbitrary in the sense of actual amount, but using it as currency does not seem too arbitrary to me. They had to use something that was relatively rare, hard to find, and easily identifiable. Plus, it's pretty.Flying-Emu said:
For the layman yes. Gold has little more value than it's appearance. However, it does have significant scientific and metallurgical uses. For example, it's highly conductive, ductile and resistant to oxidation amongst other things, so it does see some use in electronics.Agayek said:
I once set my watch to be synchronized with the Weather Channel time. About a year later, without changing the time since, my watch is now about 6 minutes ahead of the Weather Channel time.
Well, yes, while it is ridiculous to expect everyone to be on the exact same time, I can't exactly feel sorry for you when you turned up late for this exam. If it counted for 20% of the overall grade, wouldn't it have made sense for you to turn up 5-10 minutes early, just to be on the safe side?
I agree with Anachronism.
I don't care about being on time for normal lectures but if it's an important exam, I'd come a bit earlier, too.
I remember my first major exam, we actually had to come 45 minutes early because we were 150 students and there was a lot of administrative bull to be done beforehand.
I don't care about being on time for normal lectures but if it's an important exam, I'd come a bit earlier, too.
I remember my first major exam, we actually had to come 45 minutes early because we were 150 students and there was a lot of administrative bull to be done beforehand.
Enjoyable read I have to say! Sorry I can't give much more input, as I haven't had much to do with the matter. I am always* on time.
*well if it only depends on me, and no external disturbances like broken trains.
*well if it only depends on me, and no external disturbances like broken trains.
Until everyone has automatically aligned clocks to the very same sub-atomic clock, positioned in their major city, no-one should be able to rat someone out for a minute or two. It's just being picky and looking for something to argue about.
Public transport and its users get caught in this trap. It's such a pain to miss a bus by a minute or less, but it's equally pointless to expect it to be there waiting for you.
Public transport and its users get caught in this trap. It's such a pain to miss a bus by a minute or less, but it's equally pointless to expect it to be there waiting for you.
I am so glad I don't have people in charge of things I go to like some of you do. I have a nasty habit of oversleeping, and have become the benchmark for other people along the lines of "We might have been 10 minutes late, but we got there before Steve so it doesn't count as properly late."
Way I see it, being Early is inefficient. You just sit around waiting for something to start when you could have spent that time doing something constructive.
Way I see it, being Early is inefficient. You just sit around waiting for something to start when you could have spent that time doing something constructive.
While the numbering is arbitrary (and all numbering systems are arbitrary) is a foot an illusion? Is a kilogram? (I hope you don't think I'm being a dick, this is meant to be an honest discussion of the nature of reality)Bored Tomatoe said:
No I agree, but more and more clock are set via satellite, (my wrist watch is) so sooner or later I doubt his will become a problem. but for the mean time, yes I think it's really stupid that everyone thinks their time is the absolute authoritative and not just a general gist. Your post was well though out and well written.
Honestly, most of my posts on this vein have very little to do with the personal example I use, and more about the discussion in question. While it may be true that I showed up 5 minutes late according to his watch, but who is more at fault for not adjusting to the other?
Sure, as a student, it's my responsibility to be on-time to my required courses, but it's also the professor's responsibility to make sure I get an adequate education. Being so pedantic about trivial time differences isn't particularly helpful. Showing up one to two minutes late isn't going to negatively affect anything, from the business world and beyond. For presentations, that's a slightly more understandable position (because they're setup, mic checks, pre-planning, etc). The problem is when you're calling out someone for being late, by spending the same amount of time lecturing them for as much, then you're just as guilty at wasting time as they are.
The gist of this thread is pretty simple, "Don't be crazy about time." Mistakes happen, a wild traffic jam could suddenly appear, wrecks, broken alarm clocks, or even the most inexplicably bizarre like having the car's battery die or several parking lots closed for repair so you have to turn around and park further away. Hell, since it's a 9:30 AM class, it's also just as likely that your 8 AM instructor went over. As a student, you are breaking the Honor Code and rules of the institution by walking out of a class before dismissed, and you will be breaking the same restrictions by showing up to the next class late. No matter how many variables you can try to control, no matter how much you can plan ahead, leave early, or any preparation you could possibly try to take; you will always, somehow be late sometime in your life. You can leave an hour early, get a flat tire, then stuck behind a wreck, then realize the highway is under construction and detoured. The only way to guarantee being early to everything is to never leave that spot. Ever.
All I'm asking is whether or not it's reasonable to give leeway for small problems, time differences, and general circumstances. Complaining about life was just the setup, I want to know about how you feel about time.
The problem is you're hinging everything on the employee doing the presenting. If they drop the ball, they're the easy-blame. If they show up early, and do above and beyond what was asked of them, they're the one who gets shunned. Rewarding excellence and punishing for meeting criteria is, to me, completely absurd. Companies, bosses, and even institutions like schools should honestly reconsider priorities. 'If it went right, I did it, if it went wrong, they're at fault' is not the psychology that should be pushed on the employee. Did well, good job brass. Did badly, boo at the bottom of the barrel. It's self-gratification, and unfair for the bottom.
Though, that's my view on it. Time is more nebulous than not. The client is unreasonable to expect everything to happen right on the money. If I saw anyone get up and leave within 5 minutes, and they were my employee or under my care, I'd demerit them for their pretension. Just because my watch reads 4:01 doesn't mean theirs doesn't read 3:58. I can wait an extra five minutes.
Everyone should be able to.
Sure, as a student, it's my responsibility to be on-time to my required courses, but it's also the professor's responsibility to make sure I get an adequate education. Being so pedantic about trivial time differences isn't particularly helpful. Showing up one to two minutes late isn't going to negatively affect anything, from the business world and beyond. For presentations, that's a slightly more understandable position (because they're setup, mic checks, pre-planning, etc). The problem is when you're calling out someone for being late, by spending the same amount of time lecturing them for as much, then you're just as guilty at wasting time as they are.
The gist of this thread is pretty simple, "Don't be crazy about time." Mistakes happen, a wild traffic jam could suddenly appear, wrecks, broken alarm clocks, or even the most inexplicably bizarre like having the car's battery die or several parking lots closed for repair so you have to turn around and park further away. Hell, since it's a 9:30 AM class, it's also just as likely that your 8 AM instructor went over. As a student, you are breaking the Honor Code and rules of the institution by walking out of a class before dismissed, and you will be breaking the same restrictions by showing up to the next class late. No matter how many variables you can try to control, no matter how much you can plan ahead, leave early, or any preparation you could possibly try to take; you will always, somehow be late sometime in your life. You can leave an hour early, get a flat tire, then stuck behind a wreck, then realize the highway is under construction and detoured. The only way to guarantee being early to everything is to never leave that spot. Ever.
All I'm asking is whether or not it's reasonable to give leeway for small problems, time differences, and general circumstances. Complaining about life was just the setup, I want to know about how you feel about time.
No offense intended, but this is exactly the sort of problem I have with civilization in general. The consensus seems to be "If you're not early, then you're late." It's this kind of psychology that can screw things up. Instead of forcing everyone to be early, why not just set the time for when you want to show up. It's just as easy to say "Come in at 2:45" when you need them at 3, and they'll show up early regardless. Sure, you'll have to put them on the clock those extra fifteen minutes, but you're covering your own bases.McClaud said:
The problem is you're hinging everything on the employee doing the presenting. If they drop the ball, they're the easy-blame. If they show up early, and do above and beyond what was asked of them, they're the one who gets shunned. Rewarding excellence and punishing for meeting criteria is, to me, completely absurd. Companies, bosses, and even institutions like schools should honestly reconsider priorities. 'If it went right, I did it, if it went wrong, they're at fault' is not the psychology that should be pushed on the employee. Did well, good job brass. Did badly, boo at the bottom of the barrel. It's self-gratification, and unfair for the bottom.
Though, that's my view on it. Time is more nebulous than not. The client is unreasonable to expect everything to happen right on the money. If I saw anyone get up and leave within 5 minutes, and they were my employee or under my care, I'd demerit them for their pretension. Just because my watch reads 4:01 doesn't mean theirs doesn't read 3:58. I can wait an extra five minutes.
Everyone should be able to.
Yes, a foot is an illusion because, being humans, we have only, as a race, seen a foot through one set of eyes: human eyes, so measurement could be a warped perception of space, as could color.Captain Blackout said: