Cigarettes should be illegal.

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

I posit that alcohol is worse, and many scientists agree. It kills the liver, makes eyes yellow and bloodshot, can cause blood poisoning and require stomach pumping. It makes people stink of stale sweat, breath equally as bad as smoking. It makes people obnoxious, violent, vomiting arseholes who start fights. And yet it's tolerated, if not socially acceptable. Compared with marijuana smokers who the worst they'll ever do to you is raid your fridge, or ecstasy users who ask for a hug.

 

[JET1971]

Best thing to ask someone that wants to ban something because they dont like it is ask what they do really enjoy so that can be banned too. If you are so willing to take something from someone else, you should accept losing something yourself.

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I keep forgetting how playing video games adversely affects the lifespan of nearby people. Oh wait. It doesn't?

If you are going to quote someone please be sure to have a response that is relevant to what you quoted. otherwise it makes your response look stupid considering I said nothing about health or video games.

And i was perfectly ontopic, he wanted to ban something people enjoys, he should have to give something he enjoys up. example some smacktard without a clue wants to ban videogames and has 4 cups of coffee every morning because he enjoys the flavor and it perks him up. then he should lose his morning coffee.

I did not mention health affects because that had absolutly nothing to do with what I wanted to say.

 

[solemnwar]

However, I hate the argument that everyone has a choice as to whether to kill themselves slowly because many start out in their teens and they don't know any better or find it too difficult to quit. You may tell them to suck it up but you won't know how hard it really is until you try it yourself.

Don't know any better? Starting in bloody elementary school you're being bombarded by how bad smoking is for you. Teenagers are not stupid little kids who don't realise that their actions have consequences. They're not brilliant, hindsight makes me roll my eyes at myself hard enough to dislodge something, but give them SOME credit man! They had a choice, they made it.

And FWIW I think most people understand how hard it is to quit. Part of the whole being bombarded by how bad smoking is for you thing- they mention health risks and how hard it is to quit.

 

[Aprilgold]

Let's ban murder and robbery. That will work perfectly!

Um yeah, those are illegal. If you break the law you go to jail so its a technical ban.

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I think that things like Alcohol and Cigarettes should be banned since they both hurt you and in times others around you.

 

[Waaghpowa]

I'm of the opinion that potheads should be illegal.

This.

I had friends who were pot heads. You can imagine why they are no longer friends of mine.

 

[Waaghpowa]

I should also mention that banning any substance that people are going to get anyway is a waste of time and taxpayer money to stop. Might as well make it all legal and tax/regulate it. People who make/sell illegal narcotics cut it with really dangerous stuff because they don't give a shit who gets sick/hurt/die from it, only that they get their money. With regulation there's the possibility of increased safety in the use of any substance.

Alcohol is legal, yet people die all the time due to its use/abuse. They tried making it illegal, and that turned out just great, right?

 

[Luna]

Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

I legitimately lol when people use the 'its not natural argument'.

What's that? Your mother had medical assistance when she gave birth to you? That's not natural! And what's this? People driving around in cars? Using electricity? That certainly isn't natural!


I'm not saying your conclusion is necessarily wrong, (I for one don't want to be affected by second hand smoke nor do I want to cover the medical costs of smoking in my taxes), but your reasoning is unsound.

 

[Unsilenced]

I could *almost* respect your opinion if you didn't then go and advocate weed.

Being "natural" doesn't actually prevent it from tarring your lungs or damaging your brain.

I think that things like Alcohol and Cigarettes should be banned since they both hurt you and in times others around you.

Great plan. What could go wrong? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States]

And despite all this, it's not only tolerated but COMMONPLACE worldwide just because it's been around for hundreds of years (in one form or another). Guess what- so was SLAVERY before it was finally abolished. And no, I'm NOT comparing smoking to slavery,

"Smoking is totally like slavery, not that I'm comparing them or anything."

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Second hand smoke isn't harmful -- it's a common belief, but entirely inaccurate and not supported by genuine science -- and individuals are free to do whatever they want to their own body, in my eyes.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Second hand smoke isn't harmful -- it's a common belief, but entirely inaccurate and not supported by genuine science -- and individuals are free to do whatever they want to their own body, in my eyes.

So let's see some sources which say that it isn't harmful.


People should be free to do whatever the fuck they want, until it affects me.

Second hand smoke *does* affect me. Go ask the surgeon general.

Until you can prove that it doesn't, I have no problem ranking smokers just about level with kiddy fiddlers.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

I find it curious that you attack cigarettes, and not alcohol, when clearly the latter is the greater evil.

EDIT: I don't disagree though... Just realized that that didn't really come through in the post.

Not trying to be offensive, honest!

Well, the biggest argument against cigarettes compared to alcohol would probably be the direct harm the substance does to other people since it's an air-born smoke. Essentially, you'll only be harming yourself with the effects that alcohol have on the human body.

It's a bit of a flimsy argument when it's just as easy to rebuttal with all the indirect harm alcohol does to other people, but that's a little less concrete compared to something like second and third hand smoke's direct harm to other people.

 

[electronicgoat]

Cigarretes are stress modulation; they build an addiction and establish a way of relieving stress via creating a constant stress via tobacco addiction.
Weed doesn't help shit.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Anyone who pulls the "weed is more natural" argument online had better be doing it naked, without a single machine.

As such, no such argument should be online, or ever made.

What's it like eating without cutlery by the way?

 

[SovietX]

I have no problem with Cigarettes. If people want to smoke they can. Who am I to tell them they can't?

I have a bigger issue with alcohol considering it has affected my family in a large way but I still don't believe it should be banned. People just need to be careful and not drink so much. I also believe there should be tighter regulations and rules on getting the stuff. For example, Australia (Where I live) has a law that you have to be 18, instead of 21 like in America. I think it should be 21 here aswell. I see too many dipshits who aren't even out of school yet getting wasted and killing off those delicious brain cells.

 

[Reaper195]

I think smoking them outside should be curbed, or at least reduced in public areas, but not banned.

I dislike when I go to somewhere like a hospital or shopping centre and I have to walk through the cloud of smoke caused by all the smokers.

Smoking inside a building is illegal in New Zealand, so many places have employees, customers, patients, anyone outside smoking. And it looks ridiculous. Most places had smoking rooms that were air-tight and had separate ventilation. They were specifically built for smokers. But since the bill was passed about eight or so years ago, they can still be used for anything else except smoking. What they were designed for.

The other thing is, these days, a little over half of a pack of cigarettes is now tax. SO if the NZ Government were to ban them, tax on anything else would friggin' skyrocket.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Why don't we also legislate when she can take a shit and what types of air she can breathe in while we're at it? What you're basically saying is that everyone is too dumb to carry a pregnancy without killing the kid so the government has to do it for them.
body.

Nice strawman, I never said that people were too stupid.

It isn't right. It never will be right. You can't possibly phrase it in a manner that doesn't change the fact that you're trying to tell someone you don't know what they can and can't do with their own

Circular logic. Instead of just saying that its wrong and using strawmen, actually tell me why its "wrong" to have laws that state pregnant women are not allowed to smoke or consume alcohol.

 

[solemnwar]

Why don't we also legislate when she can take a shit and what types of air she can breathe in while we're at it? What you're basically saying is that everyone is too dumb to carry a pregnancy without killing the kid so the government has to do it for them.
body.

Nice strawman, I never said that people were too stupid.

It isn't right. It never will be right. You can't possibly phrase it in a manner that doesn't change the fact that you're trying to tell someone you don't know what they can and can't do with their own

Circular logic. Instead of just saying that its wrong and using strawmen, actually tell me why its "wrong" to have laws that state pregnant women are not allowed to smoke or consume alcohol.

I think the problem with those types of laws is the "slippery slope" that can occur. You start with one thing, which seems harmless enough... and then another, and another, and then "oh god what is happening I can't leave my house anymore". Not saying that it will ALWAYS happen, or even happen most of the time (although history isn't exactly on our side, a lot of the times) but it is something to be aware of.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

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Ah, but that only applies if you're *smoking* marijuana. (Additionally, even smoking marijuana slows tumor growth for some cancers up to fifty percent).

Vaporizing weed or cooking it and then eating it (pot brownies, etc) doesn't contain any carcinogens (note: contains 1 carcinogen when vaporized, which is basically negligible compared to the hundreds that tobacco has) and won't have any of the negative effects that inhaling smoke would have.

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Funnily, in my home area, there just started a massive social panic against "spice"/K2, which is legal here but is being smoked by kids as a replacement for marijuana. The funny part is that spice can fuck you up and doesn't even simulate the effects of marijuana, and is completely unregulated.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease, the more the few complain the more the many suffer unreasonable things.

Sadly cars effect you more.

Yeah, Source?

The only way 2nd hand smoke can effect you is if you are around it constantly for long hours and thats fixed by signing a waver at the place you work.

Yes, I waive my right to healthy lungs, other people smoking around me should defs be allowed to poison me as well as their own bodies. What an awesome approach. If people are allowed to smoke in your office, please tell me what it's like to live in 1950.

This march to snuff out smoking is fcking scary its an easy target and scape goat like fake child porn.

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I'm 23 and what is this? Smoking kills. it's an easy target, because the shit kills people who don't smoke. I'm not sure why you're in denial about this.

I am talking more about the 2nd hand smoke thats blown way out of proportion and is being banned from even outdoor areas because it the thing to do these days.

 

[neoontime]

Does this guy answer things in his own thread? I've seen two threads of his like this that seem like discussion page bait rather than anything.