Cigarettes should be illegal.

[Helmholtz Watson]

But you don't even know how it could be done. It's so unbelievably difficult to enforce it may as well be impossible.

I also don't know how a person could walk on the moon, and yet it is possible to do. My lack of knowledge doesn't mean such a law couldn't be enforced.

It's not much of a step up from a thought crime in terms of enforcement

Its not at all alike. I can't see a person having a "wrong" thought, but I can see a pregnant women going to a bar, ordering a beer, and drinking it.

 

[Hazy992]

I also don't know how a person could walk on the moon, and yet it is possible to do. My lack of knowledge doesn't mean such a law couldn't be enforced.

It's not just about what you know it's literally impossible to enforce without 24 hour monitoring of all pregnant women.

Its not at all alike. I can't see a person having a "wrong" thought, but I can see a pregnant women going to a bar, ordering a beer, and drinking it.

Well then what do you if they're in their home? Or if they're don't physically look pregnant? Are you just going to ban all women from buying cigarettes and alcohol on the off chance they might be pregnant?

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

No they shouldn't be. No drugs should be made illegal. No one has to the right to tell you what you can or can't do/use your body for but yourself.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

It's not just about what you know it's literally impossible to enforce without 24 hour monitoring of all pregnant women.

Again, just because it is hard to enforce doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted. Underage drinking is hard to enforce, but I'm not about to support removing such laws so that 10 year olds can start drinking.

Well then what do you if they're in their home? Or if they're don't physically look pregnant? Are you just going to ban all women from buying cigarettes and alcohol on the off chance they might be pregnant?

Your missing the point, you comment about thought crime fails. As for your last comment, no.

 

[Hazy992]

Again, just because it is hard to enforce doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted. Underage drinking is hard to enforce, but I'm not about to support removing such laws so that 10 year olds can start drinking.

We're just going around in circles here. Not selling alcohol to minors isn't comparable. It is vastly easier to stop minors from buying alcohol then it would be a pregnant woman.

Your missing the point, you comment about thought crime fails.

How am I missing the point exactly? Unless the woman is clearly heavily pregnant then it's impossible to enforce this law. My parallel with thought crimes is not amiss, because it's not much of a step up.

As for your last comment, no.

Exactly. It's really not difficult to see why this would be unenforceable, so I don't know why you can't.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

We're just going around in circles here. Not selling alcohol to minors isn't comparable. It is vastly easier to stop minors from buying alcohol then it would be a pregnant woman.

This is the part where I bring up your previous comment about pregnant women drinking at home. How do you stop kids form stealing their parent alcohol when they are not looking?

 

[TehCookie]

As long as it doesn't affect other people it should be legal. If it does affect other people there should be rules, like how you can no longer smoke indoors at public places or be drunk and obnoxious in public.

 

[Hazy992]

We're just going around in circles here. Not selling alcohol to minors isn't comparable. It is vastly easier to stop minors from buying alcohol then it would be a pregnant woman.

This is the part where I bring up your previous comment about pregnant women drinking at home. How do you stop kids form stealing their parent alcohol when they are not looking?

Kids drinking isn't illegal (at least it's not here). It's selling them the alcohol in the first place. Not selling a minor alcohol is a lot easier than not selling a pregnant woman alcohol.

 

[trophykiller]

The government is not an omnipotent force. If the government tries to get that involved with people's lives, people will get pissed, revolt, and cause all the problems therein.

The government has no moral right to get on it's high horse on this issue either. The government does have a duty to help it's people, but only if those people are willing to help themselves. This is why prohibition has never, and will never work. If anything, you will make it a "forbidden fruit" and INCREASE it's popularity, like the U.S.A. did in the 1920s.

But I guess learning from mistakes is overrated, why don't we just repeat them and watch the cycle start all over again?

 

[RatRace123]

Eh, people want to smoke cigarettes that's their business.
And weed isn't without its own harmful qualities; neither is booze, and booze is much more harmful than cigarettes and yet that's legal.

If you don't like cigarettes, it's easy enough to avoid. Just stay away from people while they're smoking.

 

[JaceArveduin]

EDIT:

EDIT: Also, OT: everyone who smokes should try "snus". At least it doesn't harm the people around you, nor the enviroment.

I desperately needed to edit this post and give this guy some props because FUCK YEAH SNUS. That shit is grand. Best thing about university was meeting a bunch of Norwegians who introduced me to snus. Also learning and stuff, but whatever, snus.

snus? *google* Oh, you just mean snuff, dip, etc. A lot of the people down here do both, just be wary of any bottles or cans they have lying around.

 

[Ashannon Blackthorn]

Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

No. We have enough goddamn nannying going on with government. I don't smoke, I don't give a fuck if other smoke. The laws in place now are strict enough (too strict in my opinion) and we don;t need ot give the government more control and to waste money with trying to enforce this.

 

[KyleXYZ]

And in what way does a cigarette help anybody.

You do realize you can use that argument for anything?

Video games, movies, soft drinks, candy, chocolate, sports, reality TV, mascara, alcohol, strobe lights, whatever. It's called a recreational activity for a reason, because people want to do it despite better intentions. (All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy...)

Also, you cannot simply ban an international multi-million industry that employs thousands to millions of people that has millions of people hooked to, on the basis that it's bad for you. Look at prohibition, people get buttmad.

THANK YOU! People need to stop using emotion as a guideline and go back to logic. Every second of every day someone is doing things they should not: there is no stopping it.

Did you know a town just banned cussing? With no word list or anything, just allowing officers to discern what they think is bad. I could've sworn we had these Amendment things on some piece of parchment. Now soda is in talks of being limited in NYC. Prohibition has never worked and social engineering does not either. Stop being concerned about anothers actions and amplify your own happiness on account of the ideal. Laws exist to deter crime, not stop it. Behavior is inevitable...and that is a very good, and bad, thing.

 

[Gabanuka]

As much as I long to agree with you I can't, its a persons choice no matter how wrong a choice it is.

 

[ReadyAmyFire]

I don't do either tobacco or weed, but at least someone can have a few cigarettes and still be pleasant to talk to.

 

[Eri]

Lol at everyone trying to say alcohol is worse. Uh, no? Moderate amounts has been shown to be good for health. Any amount of cigarettes is bad.

 

[solemnwar]

I personally believe that nothing should be illegal. If people want to potentially fuck themselves over, let them. They do it with both cigarettes and alcohol, and we all know how well prohibition went over, don't we?

 

[Rednog]

Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

When I hear people throwing around the word "natural" and misusing chemical, I want to just want to chuck my computer out a window.
Chemicals is matter that has a chemical composition, water is a god damn chemical.
And just because something is found naturally in the world and not composed in a lab doesn't make it magically better for you. Hell go take the natural form of asprin, have fun with those stomach ulcers.
Hell, many drugs that have origins from plants and whatnot are refined in a lab, and are better for you when compared to the "natural" form. It's because scientists know wtf they're doing.

Oh and here's a big hint, the "chemicals" in cigarettes are found in nature too, carbon monoxide, ammonia, acetone, butane...etc are all "natural" compounds.

 

[Pyro Paul]

Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

sigh... so wrong...

Cigarettes are acctually more natural then Weed, as the cigarette only has tobacco grown from diffrent places in their mixtures while most forms of marijuanna has several diffrent plants or chemicals mixed into it to give it a diffrent flavor or provide a diffrent/deeper high.

As to helping.

Weed doesn't help.
it causes brain damage. While the depth and severity of this brain damage is largely arguable, the fact remains that THC harms brain cells and causes a noticably suggnificant change in mood, emotions, and cognative capability.

Cigarettes on the other hand do acctually provide some advantages as it is a stimulant.