Circumcision: a Pillar of American ignorance

[SD-Fiend]

Well, why do you think it was there in the first place. Body parts, even seemingly insignificant ones should never be removed because someone believes in a magical man up in the skies whose last (if even) recording was ages ago who told them to. My sock puppet tells me to set fire to my neighbors. Does that mean I should really do it?

Anyway, I am not circumcised. And I am glad I am not. If anyone is circumcised and is glad he is, suit yourself.

that's not the point circumcision is also done for medical reasons not just religeous

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

that's not the point circumcision is also done for medical reasons not just religeous

But, as I've just said and you might have missed:

As for the so-called medical reasons, they usually are not. It's just a custom, "everybody does it so we should too". The problems that circumcision is dubiously claimed to prevent are rare (penile cancer), preventable by other methods (venereal diseases), or easily treated (urinary tract infection). Even the one condition it actually corrects (phimosis) can also be treated by more conservative methods (steroid creams, preputioplasty), so it should be saved as a last resort, for when all else has failed.

So any doctor who recommends circumcision "just because" is a goddamn quack. Period.

 

[SD-Fiend]

Reliable citation needed for anyone claiming that circumcision makes sex any less enjoyable.

This. Last time a thread like this appeared I got pissed off with the escapist. A number of bullshit claims made by people about the negative effects of circumcision. People act like anti-abortionists on this site when talking about this subject. I have not posted on this site since because of how pissed off I was but now that reddit is down I will give it a shot.

here is my monologue from last time:

"I have never EVER seen a thread more full of confirmation bias and recursive/circular logic.

This is a bad argument it is a shame to see this happen. There is basically no difference. The medical benefits and weaknesses cancel on both sides. It should be at the discretion of the parents...why? simple. You see if someone is circumcised as a baby they will NEVER know what they missed and they will not remember any pain. If they are uncircumcised as a baby they will not know what they missed and if they REALLY want a circumcision on top of that they can have a painful surgery and get it; if not then cool same.

Circumcision is a non invasive non damaging procedure that has little effect on ones life.

For the record I am circumcised, I was circumcised as a baby and I am content because I don't know what I missed out on and quite happily live the life of any normal penis owner.

Also: The evidence I have seen on both sides is a large amount of hot air. One thing that is fact is that people without foreskins will find it easier to clean the penis. Does this mean that people with foreskins will have unclean penises? NO of course not it can be cleaned with effort. So once again no difference. Less sensitivity? bull crap you don't know what you have missed. Quite frankly it's hard to imagine a higher level of pleasure than sexual if you are circumcised so you can't even IMAGINE what you have missed.

Also to those who think nobody should be circumcised:

Man you people who say nobody should be circumcised and it is just done because of religion. You are enforcing your opinions on others just as much as the fanatics you speak of, given the chance you would ban circumcision. Well how about this how about I pretend I am a religious fanatic I should say that "Nobody should be uncircumcised, its unnatural because it is against gods word". Who are you to define natural, who are you to be so selfish."

Bravo sir! spot on response

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

and here is my response:

Yeah, I shouldn't expect any maturity from someone who can't even spell or punctuate properly.

 

[SD-Fiend]

and here is my response:

Yeah, I shouldn't expect any maturity from someone who can't even spell or punctuate properly.

Who says I can't? It's not like this is an important conversation in the first place.This is the internet not a college essay.

 

[Iron Lightning]

Oh, for fuck's sake, these arguments are just getting redundant now. Please read the thread before you post in the future because I'm not going to sit here and refute your arguments repeatedly.

Call on me when you come up with an original argument for why it's okay to unnecessarily cut little boys' dicks without their content.

 

[chinangel]

I don't get why so many people here are all bent outta shape tbh. I mean..it's not like they're castrating you. If this was really such a horrible thing they'd have outlawed it, but it doesn't do anything bad.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

I don't get why so many people here are all bent outta shape tbh. I mean..it's not like they're castrating you. If this was really such a horrible thing they'd have outlawed it, but it doesn't do anything bad.

Why do people bother replying to a thread they obviously did not read, and talk of things about which they are completely ignorant?

 

[Jake0fTrades]

"Jew" and "Muslim" are not races, so how was that racist?

Fine, supremacist, what's your point? That was still an incredibly ignorant and insensitive statement no matter what you call it. You call Americans ignorant and then you go ahead and call Judaism and Islam "primitive tribes?" You're a hypocrite in true form.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

You call Americans ignorant and then you go ahead and call Judaism and Islam "primitive tribes?" You're a hypocrite in true form.

How so? I fail to see any contradiction there.

Then again, it may be wise to clarify something. I admit that I've used the word "tribe" in an inexact, pejorative sense, as to stress certain cultural groups as superstitious brutes who have a primitive "us versus them" worldview, seeing themselves as apart from the world around them, refusing to acknowledge that their customs are archaic and destructive and must be left in the past.

In case I have offended any member of actual, non-genitally-mutilating tribes with this comparison, I apologize.

 

[Jake0fTrades]

You call Americans ignorant and then you go ahead and call Judaism and Islam "primitive tribes?" You're a hypocrite in true form.

How so? I fail to see any contradiction there.

Then again, it may be wise to clarify something. I admit that I've used the word "tribe" in an inexact, pejorative sense, as to stress certain cultural groups as superstitious brutes who have a primitive "us versus them" worldview, seeing themselves as apart from the world around them, refusing to acknowledge that their customs are archaic and destructive and must be left in the past.

In case I have offended any member of actual, non-genitally-mutilating tribes with this comparison, I apologize.

Maybe it would help if you didn't refer to other cultures as "brutes" or as "primitive." You're not even trying to make a point anymore, now you're just arrogant. I'm done having this discussion with you. Have fun ostracizing yourself from all civilized circles.

 

[Darth_Dude]

Jesus Christ. Talk about insulting every who has ever been circumcised...

It's not for 'cosmetic' reasons buddy, circumcision's can happen for medical reasons, and is also a requirement of some religions. Circumcision has also been proven to lower risk of certain diseases pertaining to male genitalia.

I'm circumsised, and I'm not in pain every day, it's not "some horrible deformity or mutilation"

God damn.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

Maybe it would help if you didn't refer to other cultures as "brutes" or as "primitive."

If they insist on doing this brutish, primitive ritual, what else do I call them?

 

[Darth_Dude]

For me, it's simple: I'm Jewish, so I am circumcised, and my sons will be as well, and (one hopes) their sons. The practical value does not matter to me, only the fact that we are commanded to do it.

I hear you brother, it's the same with us Muslims.

Also, I don't get all of the 'childhood trauma' part that people keep pushing. There are plenty of circumcised men posting on this thread (including me), and I assure you, I don't have any traumatic memories...Hell, I cant even remember it.

 

[Darth_Dude]

A command who's validity is suspect in all forms of the word. Hardly compelling evidence or justification.

If I said an nonphysical entity appeared to me, and said I have to chop off my foreskin and the foreskins of my sons, I would be admitted into an asylum. What makes religion any different?

Oh no.... An Atheist!
Maybe I should have a debate with him!

Fuck I have better things to do...

 

[Aprilgold]

Reliable citation needed for anyone claiming that circumcision makes sex any less enjoyable.

I agree.

Still, fuck off, its a religious thing, its not a national thing. I'm circumcised and I think I like it better then Uncircumcised, if I ever were. Since it seems easier to clean then the foreskin. And the foreskin can be painful too.

Oh, for fuck's sake, these arguments are just getting redundant now. Please read the thread before you post in the future because I'm not going to sit here and refute your arguments repeatedly.

Call on me when you come up with an original argument for why it's okay to unnecessarily cut little boys' dicks without their content.

Isn't medical reasons valid? Along with religious reasons?

Anyways, I don't mind being circumcised, not one bit. Hell, I'm a bit of a neat freak anyway, so I couldn't really deal with my Jimmy getting stuff right next to the head if I went a week without shower.