"Civil War" Vs "Dawn of Justice" - Which will do it better?

[thejboy88]

Within the next year, we we'll be seeing a pair of superhero films that, from the looks of things, will be trying to tackle very similar themes and ideas. Captain America: Civil War will involve the titular Captain America going up against his old friend Iron Man when the issues of whether or not the government should supervise superheroes comes up. Batman Vs Superman, likewise, will seem to involve Batman going against Superman because the former considers the latter to be too dangerous and powerful to be free to do as he likes, a sentiment shared by many in their world (at least according to the thus-far released trailers).

Now, I want to say right now that, in terms of movies, I'm an outright Marvel fanboy. I've loved each and every films they've released so far (with the exception of the Hulk movie), and I'm very eager to see this latest outing for them. However, if you were to ask me which film will handle these ideas, that of superheroes having free reign or whether they should be under stricter control, I'd say it's difficult.

Now obviously, I'd have to SEE the films to know for sure, but, for the sake of speculation, BEFORE they come out, I'd like to know what each of you thinks on the mater. Will marvel handle these issues better? Will DC? Or will they perhaps be just as good but in differing ways?

 

[Josh123914]

Marvel, even without the fanboyism, DC seems to be on a way to flood the movie with too much information and characters that will overshadow the moral question, also I'm really fearing they'll just go staight "Batman is right" because of how more popular he is, while Iron man and Captain America has enough following on each side to make them both sympathetic.

This.

The Marvel characters can stand on their own two feet and Civil War will succeed because the characters have had previous movies (for a couple, ones they've headlined independently) to develop in.

The DC movies are banking on people already knowing who everyone is from previous disconnected stories, and will suffer not only due to that, but because the decision makers with Dawn of Justice apparently refuse to lay the groundwork for an epic bombastic action flick that Marvel did for ~5 years in the run-up to the Avengers.

And the only people in real life that I see disputing this are hipsters and die-hard DC fanboys.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Given to their track records, Captain America: Civil War.

I'm really put off Dawn of Justice to the point that I can't be bother going to the cinema.

 

[Knight Captain Kerr]

Well Civil War is being made by the same people who made The Winter Soldier which I thought was one of if not the best superhero movies ever and while I know we can't trust pre-release hype stuff, what we've seen so far looks really good. Also I like the MCU and hated Man of Steel. So yeah, my money is on Civil War. I'm sure I'll see Dawn of Justice eventually though.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Civil War, for a couple of reasons.

1. The MCU guys have a proven track record in the movie business at this point, while the DCCU folks seem to be struggling
2. Dawn of Justice has a fuck ton of issues overall I could list, so the likelihood of any part of it being fantastic are low
3. Batman vs. Superman has been done, a lot, and it's been done really, really well several times. So even if they do do it well, it may fall flat just because The Dark Knight Returns did it better.

I am hopeful that Dawn of Justice will be good. I really hope it is. But I somehow doubt it, and I doubt this particular aspect of it is going to be compelling.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, I'm hoping the CGI is nice and the one-liners aren't too bad. I don't think we should expect too much from superhero movies.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Eh, I'm hoping the CGI is nice and the one-liners aren't too bad. I don't think we should expect too much from superhero movies.

This, and I hope DC does better for the sake of variety.

 

[Kolby Jack]

Although they're doing similar broad concepts (superheroes fighting), I don't know if you can't really compare them. One movie is about superheroes fighting initially and then teaming up, the other is about superheroes who have already teamed up and are now breaking down and fighting. In a sense, each is going in the reverse direction as the other, with the actual hero fight being the point where they meet. I expect them to be VERY different movies.

But if you really want to compare, I guess you can just compare the actual hero vs hero fight part.

 

[Laughing Man]

MCU all the way, although if you look at the basic movie plots they are actually very similar. Superheros we love going up against each other for reasons. the thing is MCUs heroes are evenly matched (Cap and Bucky vs Iron Man) but not only that because they have back story and history their is reason why perhaps Ironman would hold back or Cap is sorry about having to fight him the whole thing is better developed and better reasoned and that's why it has more chance of working.

DC on the other hand Batman wants revenge for reasons so he goes up against a literal God who could finish him in a split second but no doubt won't because of some moppy emo reason about killing someone who is other wise a good guy. Oh and throw in a bunch of heroes that people kinda know about but will have been reworked to fit in with the darker new DC universe.

If DC had spent the time MCU has building up the character (all of them) it would give a better reasoning behind the actions but all we have is the crippled self hating Superman (cause he had to kill the last survivor of his home planet) go up against a new Batman who's motives and reasons are pretty basic alongside two supers who have zero backstory beyond what is crammed in to this movie.

The loudest signal of all though is them moving S vs BM release date so it doesn't go up against Civil War. If nothing else that speaks volumes about who is going to win this one.

 

[Remus]

MCU all the way, although if you look at the basic movie plots they are actually very similar. Superheros we love going up against each other for reasons. the thing is MCUs heroes are evenly matched (Cap and Bucky vs Iron Man) but not only that because they have back story and history their is reason why perhaps Ironman would hold back or Cap is sorry about having to fight him the whole thing is better developed and better reasoned and that's why it has more chance of working.

DC on the other hand Batman wants revenge for reasons so he goes up against a literal God who could finish him in a split second but no doubt won't because of some moppy emo reason about killing someone who is other wise a good guy. Oh and throw in a bunch of heroes that people kinda know about but will have been reworked to fit in with the darker new DC universe.

If DC had spent the time MCU has building up the character (all of them) it would give a better reasoning behind the actions but all we have is the crippled self hating Superman (cause he had to kill the last survivor of his home planet) go up against a new Batman who's motives and reasons are pretty basic alongside two supers who have zero backstory beyond what is crammed in to this movie.

The loudest signal of all though is them moving S vs BM release date so it doesn't go up against Civil War. If nothing else that speaks volumes about who is going to win this one.

Not to mention that Marvel characters are simply easier to relate to. The god character is a literal god, yet flawed as any other man. His own father saw his hubris and took his power as punishment. Maybe this has something to do with how Marvel characters were originally designed - Tony's an alcoholic, Wanda is emotionally scarred after her brother's death(a schizophrenic in the books), Natasha's a sociopath, Bruce is, well, Bruce, and Steve is patriotic to a fault not to mention nieve. Their flaws add to their character, not subtract from it. If DC had put more effort into world-building and spread out their films, rather than this hit and miss like they've been doing, to develop them like Marvel did maybe I'd carry the same praises. Or perhaps Clark would be the same can-never-lose boyscout that he appears to be in the comics, just on a far grander scale.

I'll likely watch both films. But Civil War is a guaranteed quality film with a track record behind it whereas B vs S is highly questionable at best.

 

[SKBPinkie]

Captain America: Civil War.

Why? Just one reason - "Superman vs. Batman: Dawn of Justice" is one of the dumbest titles in existence.

I really don't think any other arguments are necessary.

 

[Hairless Mammoth]

Civil War, no doubt. Marvel Studios is still riding high on their cinematic universe that nearly every moviegoer is familiar with.

DC/Warner Bros. is trying to make their own cinematic universe, but they don't have as many hits to build off of. Wonder Woman didn't get her own film before this one. Supes is coming from a polarizing reboot that was deemed necessary after the 2006 reboot/sequel (that was meant to erase the two critically panned older films) bombed. The Batman legacy is at least well known, so while they probably aren't using the Nolanverse's Batman (kinda hard to), the audience will still be familiar with Affleck-Bat's motives. They are at risk of cramming too much exposition into one movie, and the risk is even more worrisome when you consider DC's track record at the cinema.

DoJ might not be a total mess and may be very successful, but it will only beat Civil War if Marvel's winning streak runs out right there.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Civil War, Marvel has already got geeks and the general public in the palm of their hands. Whereas DC is struggling hard and judging by all the info for the DCCU they have no idea what the fuck they're doing.

 

[sXeth]

MCU all the way, although if you look at the basic movie plots they are actually very similar. Superheros we love going up against each other for reasons. the thing is MCUs heroes are evenly matched (Cap and Bucky vs Iron Man) but not only that because they have back story and history their is reason why perhaps Ironman would hold back or Cap is sorry about having to fight him the whole thing is better developed and better reasoned and that's why it has more chance of working.

Couldn't Iron Man just fly up out of Cap's throwing range and bomb the crap out of their 5 feet squared area with rockets?

I get there's reasons why he's down there talking with them and trying to defuse things face to face, but yeah, I owuldn't say its an even fight for any reason that might not also apply in bats/Supes (Supes won't nuke Batman because he doesn't believe he's an insane threat ot the world that needs to be killed, just a misguided overall good guy)

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I am surrounded by Marvel fans

Marvel, even without the fanboyism, DC seems to be on a way to flood the movie with too much information and characters that will overshadow the moral question, also I'm really fearing they'll just go staight "Batman is right" because of how more popular he is, while Iron man and Captain America has enough following on each side to make them both sympathetic.

I don't think they will end with Batman is always right end because you did not factor Alfred who is clearly saying that Superman is not the real enemy.