But...Paksenarrion said:
That's not similar at all!
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Class Boundaries
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That's not similar at all!
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Well, I have the Uniform on anyway. Fuck it.
Oh boy...Paksenarrion said:
Derailment completed.
NOTE: I just put my cigarette out in my Mountain Dew. Fuck me.
Relative to everybody else in America (avg. income is about $30K), you are very much upper-middle class. However, it certainly may not seem that way because wealthier people tend to isolate and keep amongst themselves in wealthier towns and areas, which means that you're only exposed to wealthier people, and you live in an environment where what is perceived as "getting by" is having two cars.battlespud said:Where would you draw the line between the middle, upper middle and upper classes?
The reason I'm asking is because I've been getting alot of criticism from some prolies (local name for lower class students (proletarians)) that it's pretentious to wear regular brands like Gucci (just a watch or two), Armani (Emporio, not even collezioni, which plenty of people wear to school!) and Lacoste (come on...) to classes, getting all my clothes tailored (Getting Guess? jeans in my size just doesn't happen. imported is even more difficult, im too short and thin to fit in a 30x30 sadly haha), going through two cars before getting a license (One broke and one I just wasn't fond of (CRV and Explorer respectively) and buying a cadillac in high school etc (Is it really any worse than buying a charger or acura like everyone else?). I really don't get what their problem is, my family doesnt have that much cash, I mean, we get by but it really isn't that much, in the vicinity of $200k annually or so. I dont even go to some pricy private school. I'm not some rich druggie either, over a 2100 on my SATs, straight 5's on all my AP exams and still got all of senior year and half of junior left
What I'm asking, is what would you consider the middle, upper middle and upper class boundaries to be at income wise?
Oh and this is my first post, so hi
For many people, "getting by" is taking the bus to work every day, barely scraping together enough food for some meatloaf dinner, and otherwise being utterly piss-broke. I know people who have considered prostitution to pay for college. Again, most people only earn about $30K a year. That means that college (which is about $20K - $40K a year depending) is out of the question without serious loans, grants, and scholarship aid. For you, that's easy, especially with your SATs and APs.
Most importantly, keep in mind, even if, within your community, $100K is "barely getting by," your parents earn TWICE that. Imagine being barely able to keep food on the table and pay all your credit card bills and you're late on your apartment payments, and all of a sudden, your boss doubles your salary. It'd be liberating, dude. You'd bust maybe an extra $30K on all your bills and expenses, and you've still got a massive $70K (which is, to beat a dead horse, twice as much as the national average in salary) to spend however you like.
Finally, I doubt the so-called "prolies" in your school are *really* lower-class in terms of wealth, if they live in an area where $100K is, as you put it, barely enough to get by. Again, $100K is still three times more than the national average in salary, so, relative to the rest of the nation, and certainly the rest of the World (where the average salary is barely $2 a day, and no, that's not a typo), they are considered supremely wealthy.
So wait, you have a Gucci watch because its a tradition that you get one and everyone else in your family has one... Oh, well thats much better. The tradition my family has is either you are a military man or a working man and shockingly the military men in my family have longer life spans than the working men, sadly my father was a working man and the only thing he could pass onto me were genetics and my mannerisms. But no, why would bragging about all the crap you get and how you dont think you have enough be pretentious? Maybe you thought us so lowly that we wouldnt understand what "pretentious" meant.
I live in the UK and being from a 'Lower Class' family I can tell you there is deffinately a huge class divide. But it's not all bad thankfully we live in a time where class doesn't really matter and you can do anything off your own back. I'm paying my way through University and will be earning money soon enough, yeah it's been a lot more difficult because I haven't had my parents send me money every week but you make do.
Stop worrying about 'class' and focus on yourself, once you start to make your own way in life it doesn't matter anyway.
Stop worrying about 'class' and focus on yourself, once you start to make your own way in life it doesn't matter anyway.
Well, it's certainly a different sort of world you live in, OP. If people in Long Island can't live above the poverty level at under $100K annually, what does a garbage collector make there? That's usually the way to tell what a high median for the middle class is in a given area.
Not going to claim this as an incredibly reliable source, but: http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Browse.Long-Island-City-New-York-Garbage-Man-salary-data-details&PositionId=78876&CityId=3790 (found it on google).
If someone can survive on $41,986 a year around there (and most people won't empty your trash can for a living unless it pays all of their bills), I'd say you're from a somewhat wealthy family and you live among people who feel rather undeservedly entitled, OP.
Also, the thought of owning new cars of any sort in high school, even a Korean-made base model sub-$10,000 one is completely insane to me. But then, I'm of the school of thought that everyone should be forced to own a mostly worn out car with a manual transmission that's at least 25 years old for their first (for reference, I owned a 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme... but that was in 1997, and gas only cost me $0.85 a gallon. If things were as they are now, I most likely would have owned a Toyota Camry).
So, to break down my views on what constitutes "not poverty":
-a person needs to be able afford some sort of living space... which is entirely dependent on area... just looked up a Long Island North Shore apartment (Centereach) that costs $950 per month. So, just barely less expensive per month than my house in the middle of nowhere, Oregon. Granted, it's a small apartment as opposed to a moderately large house on a few riverside acres, but that's what you get for living in a big city.
-a person needs to be able to afford transportation. Found a running '97 Geo Metro in Farmingdale for $600 on craigslist.
-a person needs to be able to afford food, utilities, and entertainment. Searching through grocery stores in the area, I see there's not a whole lot to choose from... but there is a Wal-Mart. Local utilities look average, for city living... and cable TV/internet looks about average as well (less than I pay my little redneck cable company).
If that sort of living sounds like poverty to you, well... you're rich, kid.
Looks like I could afford to live in North Long Island on my salary if I chose to, and I make less than an average garbage man there. Of course, I could probably make me a lot more over there in private armed security... but I prefer my little corner of the country.
Not going to claim this as an incredibly reliable source, but: http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Browse.Long-Island-City-New-York-Garbage-Man-salary-data-details&PositionId=78876&CityId=3790 (found it on google).
If someone can survive on $41,986 a year around there (and most people won't empty your trash can for a living unless it pays all of their bills), I'd say you're from a somewhat wealthy family and you live among people who feel rather undeservedly entitled, OP.
Also, the thought of owning new cars of any sort in high school, even a Korean-made base model sub-$10,000 one is completely insane to me. But then, I'm of the school of thought that everyone should be forced to own a mostly worn out car with a manual transmission that's at least 25 years old for their first (for reference, I owned a 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme... but that was in 1997, and gas only cost me $0.85 a gallon. If things were as they are now, I most likely would have owned a Toyota Camry).
So, to break down my views on what constitutes "not poverty":
-a person needs to be able afford some sort of living space... which is entirely dependent on area... just looked up a Long Island North Shore apartment (Centereach) that costs $950 per month. So, just barely less expensive per month than my house in the middle of nowhere, Oregon. Granted, it's a small apartment as opposed to a moderately large house on a few riverside acres, but that's what you get for living in a big city.
-a person needs to be able to afford transportation. Found a running '97 Geo Metro in Farmingdale for $600 on craigslist.
-a person needs to be able to afford food, utilities, and entertainment. Searching through grocery stores in the area, I see there's not a whole lot to choose from... but there is a Wal-Mart. Local utilities look average, for city living... and cable TV/internet looks about average as well (less than I pay my little redneck cable company).
If that sort of living sounds like poverty to you, well... you're rich, kid.
Looks like I could afford to live in North Long Island on my salary if I chose to, and I make less than an average garbage man there. Of course, I could probably make me a lot more over there in private armed security... but I prefer my little corner of the country.
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/05/18/realestate/if-you-re-thinking-of-living-in-sands-point.html?pagewanted=2
You'll see at the top of that page that the reported median income of Sands Point is $30,000.
FACE IT, YOU ARE FILTHY RICH.
At least, compared to 99% of America. To the top 1% you're just well-off.
Honestly my first thought was, yes, that you were trolling, but the fact that you've stuck with this thread so long makes me wonder.
You'll see at the top of that page that the reported median income of Sands Point is $30,000.
FACE IT, YOU ARE FILTHY RICH.
At least, compared to 99% of America. To the top 1% you're just well-off.
Honestly my first thought was, yes, that you were trolling, but the fact that you've stuck with this thread so long makes me wonder.
I'm not trying to attack you personally but this statement really makes you seem like a dickhead. I am not saying that it is in any way wrong to be wealthy, but that being said perhaps flaunting your wealth at every opportunity to everyone that isn't as well off is just asking for criticism.battlespud said:
Also to say that $200,000 a year is not "that much cash" is just absurd. You should really think long and hard about how lucky you are to be in a position where you can enjoy all the things in life that many people never will. I am sure one day you will get a good job and hopefully earn your own way in this world but until then you should be thankful every day to your parents for putting you in a position to achieve and for giving you all the things you described in your post.
People will always resent those who have what they don't and that doesn't make you a bad person for having these things but you should never take for granted the fact that you do.
Cool, thanks for telling me about your high school academics. When I figure out what that has to do with your point I will be sure to put this info to good use.battlespud said:
Huh? I saw no point to that post other than self-gratification and light trolling. All the extra details and name-calling is what struck me as very immature about his attitude. Besides, class is defined by more than one's income figure or that of their parents, and has social and cultural implications as well as economic which vary greatly from one place to the next. The way it was brought up in this context is a very superficial and pointless one.battlespud said:
For example, last year alone I went through through three income levels: zero income, 100K+/year, and 40K/year, in a part of the country with a cheap cost of living. That's quite a range, but those numbers have nothing to do with my "class", which is something I've honestly never even given thought to. People shouldn't be so concerned about factors like these in their lives at an age where they have little control over them.
Go take up a productive new hobby, like learning the trombone or something, lol.
I don't even now how you "get by" with $200k a year. If you need $200k to get by, MOVE TO A CHEAPER PLACE. You can live with 1/2 of that where I live and by your own Porsche, maybe. Or at least own your own home, have a brand new car and not worry about paying bills.
Emporio Armani says "I have no taste". OP sounds like your typical guido/JAP from Lawnguyisland.
The best way I've seen class boundaries handled is that if the great majority of your economic ability comes from investing capital, you're upper class. If the great majority of your economic ability comes from working a job, you're lower class. Middle class is in the middle (duh). So your parents are probably some variety of middle class.
The best way I've seen class boundaries handled is that if the great majority of your economic ability comes from investing capital, you're upper class. If the great majority of your economic ability comes from working a job, you're lower class. Middle class is in the middle (duh). So your parents are probably some variety of middle class.
Middle class have careers and professions, lower class have jobs, upper class don't need either. That's usually how I've looked at it.
I'm sure 200k doesn't seem like much when you're routinely dressing yourself in designer clothing and purchasing automobiles willy-nilly.
We earn less than 30 grand a year, and we get by. I guess that would be very lower middle class.
I would be happy to earn 50k a year when I graduate, as I don't plan on raising a family. That would be enough to lead a reasonably comfortable life, especially if my work was stimulating.
Here, my guess would be that 10,000-50,000 Euro constitutes the working-class to lower-middle-class demographic, 50, 000 to 90, 000 the middle-middle, 90, 000 to 200, 000 the upper-middle and anything beyond that is pretty much upper-class.
We earn less than 30 grand a year, and we get by. I guess that would be very lower middle class.
I would be happy to earn 50k a year when I graduate, as I don't plan on raising a family. That would be enough to lead a reasonably comfortable life, especially if my work was stimulating.
Here, my guess would be that 10,000-50,000 Euro constitutes the working-class to lower-middle-class demographic, 50, 000 to 90, 000 the middle-middle, 90, 000 to 200, 000 the upper-middle and anything beyond that is pretty much upper-class.
That's a pretty ritzy neighborhood. I'll admit, it would be beyond the budget of my hypothetical garbage collector to live there... but there's a place in easy driving distance of Sands Point called Port Washington... and the prices there are only slightly higher than those in Centereach (found an equivalent apartment available for $985 per month... still less than my mortgage). I'd imagine that's where most people at the median income level for your area live.battlespud said: