Classic film moments ruined by logic

[Haddi]

LoTR, end scene. Also, part of the beginning.

SPOILER LALALALA. *Seriously, if this is actually a spoiler for you, I hope you die in a ditch cold and unloved. KIDDING. Wait, actually I'm not.


When Frodo is whining about needing the ring when he should toss it into the lava, why doesn't Sam just tackle him or something and just throw it in himself?

And when Elrond and that human F*G who wouldn't throw it in the beginning, why doesn't he Elrond just knock the ***** into the fire?

Wait. If I thought too much about LoTR, I would have an implosion from all the little things that could have been done so much better.


Also, why do spies in ANY film keep fitting perfectly into the clothes of people they knocked out? I mean, like with the Stormtroopers in the original star wars! WTF!? (Yes, I know that isn't a spy movie, I'm dumb but not THAT dumb.

Wait..
First of are you suggesting that Elrond should murder Isildor? Wouldn't that like...start a war or something? Isildor was a powerful leader and a great warrior, killing him would not be easy, not to mention morally reprehensible, probably exactly what the ring wants and not to mention... START A FUCKING WAR WITH THE HUMANS!

I'm glad you wern't at Yalta. You probably would have shot Molotov in the face and started World War 3.

And Sam. Sam had just walked across a burning wasteland, and before that a swamp and before that rocks and such, and you expect him to spear tackle his best buddy to a horrific death in molten rock. First of all, he's tired. Second of all Frodo is his friend. Not everybody thinks murder is an appropriate response to a problem.

You've completely missed the point of the ring and the entire story. The point was that powerful people, the kind who decide who lives and dies, were the kind of people the ring could corrupt. Thats the whole reason why hobbits could carry the ring in the first place, because they were modest.

Yeah... I just feel that if they had been so desperate to destroy the ring, that they should have just done one of those things.

Than my empathy kicks in, and then my nerd comes in and kicks the crap out of it and states that the story would have sucked if either of those had happened, so I should be glad that they did.

 

[FallenPrism]

I can't think of anything too exciting, but I remember watching Titanic when I was younger, and the part right after Jack "saves" Rose from suicide and is invited to dinner, he meets her at the stairs and kisses her hand, proclaiming "I saw that on a nickelodeon once and I always wanted to do it".

It's 1912. There's no Nickelodeon. There's not even TV. Not to mention, Jack was supposedly "living under a bridge" a week before he won his ticket for this trip in a poker match.

And I still want to know how after spending 84 years underwater, you can just rinse a sketchbook off and see the drawings the artist made in it.

A "Nickelodeon" was a short moving picture, that cost a nickel, during that time period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickelodeon_(movie_theater)

So don't let it bug you any more. As for the second issue, I don't know off the top of my head if that part is plausible or not.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

i love how the OP is asking about classic films, and you guys keep on bringing up Wanted...

 

[RavingPenguin]

Anyone coming into this thread unprepared for spoilers probably deserves what they get, but I've never put a spoiler in a post before, and now is as good a time as any.

Independence Day (ID4):

Spoiler

There's a lot in this film that gets the back of my head going, but there is one bit that actually unlocks the door and lets it all rush out: At the end, when they blow up the city-ship over Area 51...I'm willing to accept that these aliens obviously have some anti-gravity device that lets something that big float. But clearly, when the entire thing explodes from the inside out, that device is going to lose power and/or structural integrity. At that point, the whole thing would just fall. Straight down. It would not glide peacefully into a mountain.

Also, Who's dumb enough to rig their entire fleet to explode when one ship goes down?

 

[darnel64]

Anyone remember SWAT, half the cast are shot, broken and stabbed and they think it's appropriate to respond to an armed bank robbery?!

Anyone ever notice how useless Indiana Jones is? He never wins it's always Deus ex Machina in the end.

 

[Simriel]

Lightsabers...

Dammit, why do those beams of light not just pass THROUGH each other?

Sorry I can't resist. Nerd-mode activated:

Lightsabre beams are of essentially the same composition as blasterbolt. That is, plasma. The difference is how the sabre beam is actually tied to a power source continually, and as such will immedialy die when the power is cut.

[Disengaging Nerd-mode]

But unless the plasma is contained, as it is a higher form of matter than gas, it would either dissipate into the surrounding area, or continue on forever. Also, the intense heat needed to create plasma would fry anything within a huge radius.

Blasterbolts are more logical, however.

The plasma in a sabre beam wouldn't dissapate because as I said, it is forever linked to the power source in the hilt. Thats why, when a sabre is destroyed (by , say, another sabre) it doesn't explode and kill everything. Even if you don't believe that, I can always say that its constrained by some magic apparatus the keeps the heat at bay while still being able to have the energy to cut into things, which would violate every law of thermodynamics.

Even blasterbolts are pretty amazing though. From the gas, its energized into plasma, then turned into a coherent beam that actually has momentum, all in the space of a few milliseconds after the trigger is pulled.

EDIT: I would mostly guess, though its never covered in anything, that throughout the 25,000 some odd years of the Jedi's existance, they have found a super effecient way for converting and storing plasma, such that none of the energy is lost through heat dissapation.

The original Lightsabres in star wars canon had HUGE backpack power generators involved for this function

 

[CastaliaMoirae]

I can't think of anything too exciting, but I remember watching Titanic when I was younger, and the part right after Jack "saves" Rose from suicide and is invited to dinner, he meets her at the stairs and kisses her hand, proclaiming "I saw that on a nickelodeon once and I always wanted to do it".

It's 1912. There's no Nickelodeon. There's not even TV. Not to mention, Jack was supposedly "living under a bridge" a week before he won his ticket for this trip in a poker match.

And I still want to know how after spending 84 years underwater, you can just rinse a sketchbook off and see the drawings the artist made in it.

Um, clearly Jack's not referring to the TV channel, but to the early movie theaters for which it was named. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickelodeon_(movie_theater) It cost a nickel to get in, and provided that Jack's memory lasts longer than a week, he could have gone to one when he had slightly more money, possibly even years before.

Too right about the soggy sketchpad though.

 

[Simriel]

Also, I notice EVERY one of there logic plot holes. I just love movies so gorram much that i can ignore them. And yes firefly is the unicorn of T.V. So damn near perfect pointing out flaws is idiotic.

 

[Frybird]

I can't quite prove it, but in Mission Impossible 3, if someone shoots a little exploding capsule through the nose into the brain of another one, shouldn't this one die of internal bleeding before the little brain bombs are triggered?

Maybe someone can clarify

 

[The Giggling Pin]

Lightsabers...

Dammit, why do those beams of light not just pass THROUGH each other?

I don't think their actually light. Their more like a laser beam that can only go so far. But I get where your coming from.

They are plasma.

You got yourself solids, gases, liquids, and plasma.

Now mind you I don't KNOW how plasma works entirely but as I stated before its more star wars breaking the laws of physics then logic.

Just to be annoying i thought i might mention how there are more then just solids, gases, liquids and plasma. You also have Bose-Einstein Condensates (which truly make my head spasm and cause me to fall over) and depending on which sources you choose to believe you can also have Superfluids, Supersolids, Fermionic Condensate, String-Net Liquid, Supercritical Fluid (like a liquid version of some of the people who post on this forum! HA HA HA, oh, er, hmmmm...), Colloid and last but by no means least Degenerate Matter. There are lots more apparently but the rest become even more confusing and i have no desire to hurt my already fragile mind. I have absolutely no idea what most of these things are but maybe the lightsabers are one of these other types of matter and neither plasma, light or anything else already mentiones.

I do feel that it is best not to analyse films too much because if you do they all become rubbish. Especially films with Will Smith in them.

 

[captain awesome 12]

Like how Eagle Eye had such a godawfully complicated plot to deliver a bomb into the Capitol Building when the computer could have just hijacked a jet and blew the place up.

Actually I heard that the White House and other buildings were plane proof, and had reinforced walls that could lessen the impact from a plane. Or maybe that was all BS, not sure.

They have bunkers underneath them that are protected, but nothing is stopping a jumbo jet from simply crushing any one of those buildings. There's no way even with reinforced walls to stop something traveling at 400 miles per hour that weighs dozens of tons. That's why there was so much insanity on September 11 in Washington, they had to get the representatives to safe areas away from the Capitol.

 

[TheDustyBanana]

Back to the Future.
Marty J. Fox goes back in time and meets his parents when they were kids blah blah blah then comes back to the present day. He becomes friends with his mom and dad and neither of his parents question the fact that one of their kids looks exactly like their old high school friend who invented rock and roll.

I don't think I worded that very well though...

 

[SomeBritishDude]

Lotr, this goes for film and book

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Its a good point.

 

[AboveUp]

It's just a very, very minor thing but...
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly.
Just where the hell did Clint Eastwood get that costume from that he was wearing during the final shootout? There's nothing around in the entire area, he didn't have anything with him besides his guns and bullets, and yet there he is wearing a completely new (and completely awesome) costume. One that he must have mysteriously found and put on within a span of 5 minutes before the final shootout.

 

[oliveira8]

Back to the Future.
Marty J. Fox goes back in time and meets his parents when they were kids blah blah blah then comes back to the present day. He becomes friends with his mom and dad and neither of his parents question the fact that one of their kids looks exactly like their old high school friend who invented rock and roll.

I don't think I worded that very well though...

Maybe they just dont remenber..or they dont care.

 

[I III II X4]

The original Lightsabres in star wars canon had HUGE backpack power generators involved for this function

I thought they were more like hip mounted phany-packs? I mean, you're right about the external power supply, and can you believe that they used to be connected by a wire?

 

[Frybird]

Back to the Future.
Marty J. Fox goes back in time and meets his parents when they were kids blah blah blah then comes back to the present day. He becomes friends with his mom and dad and neither of his parents question the fact that one of their kids looks exactly like their old high school friend who invented rock and roll.

I don't think I worded that very well though...

I tend to agree, however much of these points can be done away with "It's been a really long time".
I can imagine that the parents memory of that Calvin Klein Guy that mysteriously appeared and disappeared in...what? a week can become a bit blurry over the years.
Also, i guess when you see your son grow up and all, i guess you easily overlook some things.

Same goes for the "invented rock and roll part"...although not that much for the parents, i guess. As i seen it, everyone remembers the song where he/she first met/danced with/kissed his/her future/wife/husband.

And last but not least, even if the parents remember clearly that thier son looks "almost exactly" like Calvin Klein, how they would most likely react:
a) "Oh my god, my son is a time traveller"
b) "Oh my god, Calvin Klein got me pregnant" (that would make an interesting sequel)
c) "Huh, that's a strange coincidence"


EDIT: If you think about it, it seems much more illogical that Marty remembered so much of the story of how his parents met. I mean, the original version seemed pretty boring and forgettable for a teenager. ^^

 

[Hyoscine]

Because it's like finding a flaw in a unicorn: You could go on about, "Oh, what use could that horn be, and why did it grow all twirly like that, oh nature does not work like that," but it's still a fucking unicorn. It's as close to perfection as you're ever going to get, so shut up.

You rule. You know that, right?

Anyway, there's a bit in In Bruges (fantastic film, BTW) where dum-dum rounds pass through one character's torso only to take the face off someone else. Weird.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Lightsabers...

Dammit, why do those beams of light not just pass THROUGH each other?

And go on for miles and mies and miles! Another thing the fact that spaceships maneuver like air planes in space. There should be little thrusters and stuff to push them in the right direction!

That's exáctly why I'm such a huuuge fan of the new Battlestar Galactica series, and lóve the space battles between Raiders and Vipers. It actually makes sense, apart from the sound ofcourse (but ofcourse, without it, any sci-fi in space would be booooring).

Anyway, I usually worry more about the idiotic translation of the subs (English -> Dutch). Still I knew before I watched Wanted that it would be pure nonsense, but the car-flip-over-open-roof-assassination made me go 'lulz'. Definatly one of the most awesome movie 'stunts' I've ever seen, especially with that song from Bochelli under it.

Also, any horror movie in wich the protagonist is granted the oppertunity to kill there assailant, but instead KO's him and runs away. Example: some wierd movie about a crazed abortionist in the London metro system. At some point, 2 persons are caught and put in cages in the water. Then the evil guy comes in with a harpoon or something, and prods one to check if it's alive. He thinks they're dead, the 2 miraculousy escape the cages and hit him on the head so he's KO. Instead of taking his harpoon and stabbing in the head for about 9982347 times, one of em beckons the other to run for it and ofcourse they do, and ofcourse as a result the crazy dudes 'pokes' another captured girl in her fanny with a big saw. Things like that always make me go "sigh, she didn't háve to die retards!" Hence why I hate slashers.

 

[JohnSmith]

Any movie where any item that does not contain significant amounts of; concrete, metal or kevlar stops a bullet. Any movie where the main characters turned on an infinite ammunition cheat. Any movie where liquid nitrogen explodes in a fiery manner, i'm cool with the exploding just not the fire, since liquid nitrogen expands in volume to something like 400 times its original volume at room temperature an explosion from a ruptured tank is expected, but since it is an inert gas it can't burn (yes, Nikola Tesla did burn nitrogen, but he used millions of volts to make it happen.).