Huh? I didn't see that in your original text, but I agree. There's no replacement for history, literature and philosophy.Eyclonus said:
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Possibile jobs that I can see are:
Historian
History Teacher
Archaeoligist (can't spell)
Philosophy (how classics apply to modern life)
Architecture (Greek-style buildings seem to be moderatly popular)
And good ol' fashioned Professor in Classics.
Personally, I think it's worth while to read up on the roots of most modern culture today. It gives you a feeling of how far we've come since the days of Socrates and such.
Historian
History Teacher
Archaeoligist (can't spell)
Philosophy (how classics apply to modern life)
Architecture (Greek-style buildings seem to be moderatly popular)
And good ol' fashioned Professor in Classics.
Personally, I think it's worth while to read up on the roots of most modern culture today. It gives you a feeling of how far we've come since the days of Socrates and such.
Oh, I don't disagree with you in saying the public perception isn't peachy, but...
It only highlights an axiom: a history degree shows an attempt to enlighten oneself about past occurances. Because artistic enlightenment isn't a practical skill (welding, engineering, designing), it finds little use in a practical society. One of the few things you can do with that knowledge is teach others.
The fact the humanities/arts are treated only half as well as engineering/physiology/etc is an axiom now, too. It has probably been that way since the early 1900's, when a century of failed school reforms began and practical use became education's goal, not education for its own sake.
The original poster also mentions the general feelings towards humanities: "All of my professors tend to go off on tangents in mid lecture about how there is no longer much value in a Classical education."
This idea was previously mentioned and redundant to expound upon, let alone an axiom (though a good opening for the original poster's question).
Because I've seen your other posts, I thought you were astute and not being redundant. I merely wanted to elaborate that Classical study is really a concentration, not a true major. We study history, philosophy and literature. There are more options than becoming a history teacher. That's all I wanted to make clear.
I agree with what you said. I never doubted it. I simply did not perceive it from your original statement.
This is a list of professions. It doesn't really suggest that history is "given the back seat."Eyclonus said:
It only highlights an axiom: a history degree shows an attempt to enlighten oneself about past occurances. Because artistic enlightenment isn't a practical skill (welding, engineering, designing), it finds little use in a practical society. One of the few things you can do with that knowledge is teach others.
The fact the humanities/arts are treated only half as well as engineering/physiology/etc is an axiom now, too. It has probably been that way since the early 1900's, when a century of failed school reforms began and practical use became education's goal, not education for its own sake.
The original poster also mentions the general feelings towards humanities: "All of my professors tend to go off on tangents in mid lecture about how there is no longer much value in a Classical education."
This idea was previously mentioned and redundant to expound upon, let alone an axiom (though a good opening for the original poster's question).
Because I've seen your other posts, I thought you were astute and not being redundant. I merely wanted to elaborate that Classical study is really a concentration, not a true major. We study history, philosophy and literature. There are more options than becoming a history teacher. That's all I wanted to make clear.
I agree with what you said. I never doubted it. I simply did not perceive it from your original statement.
In case it turns out to be a language taught to man by aliens, who would get a little angry that we ignored them?
Archaeology, and random people on TV Shows with 'Historian' for a profession are the only things that spring to mind.
High School Teacher is probably what I'm aiming for at the moment and probably where I'll end up.
I've only just finished the first year of a three-year Bachelor of Arts, so I still retain the idyllic view that you should study what you enjoy and not what will ensure that you don't live in a cardboard box for the rest of your life.
But in all seriousness, Latin is easily the coolest subject I've ever studied. Hopefully starting Ancient Greek next year. Huzzah!
I've only just finished the first year of a three-year Bachelor of Arts, so I still retain the idyllic view that you should study what you enjoy and not what will ensure that you don't live in a cardboard box for the rest of your life.
But in all seriousness, Latin is easily the coolest subject I've ever studied. Hopefully starting Ancient Greek next year. Huzzah!
Tell your brother that he's awesome, and ask him about his job.(pay,education needed etc)xitel said:
Well, having spent 3 years outside of college I can honestly say the one thing that massive numbers of people seem incapable of is writing a clear, coherent essay that communicates a point to someone else. Almost any workplace at some point is going to need someone who can write.Cousin_IT said:
The problem is that it's like that joke from 'SuperTroopers'. You can't just be good at writing, it has to go with something else. Otherwise the employers is just going to say, writing and....? Writing and...?
Minor in something like computer science and you'll be golden.
I'm taking Latin and Ancient Greek at the same time with four other courses. The two of them are interesting and all, but damn they soak up so much time and effort.latenightapplepie said:
I was completely lost for the first couple weeks trying to wrap my head around English sentences being built by the position of words and Latin/Ancient Greek sentences being built by the construction of words.
When I was a history student everyone assumed I wanted to be a history teacher[sup]*[/sup]... because they saw no other value for history.
That, if you think about it, is a very sad commentary on our society.
History's (and the Classics in general are) more than just old poems and lists of dead kings; it's a look at how we lived in the past, what decisions were made and what the consequences of those decisions were, where we come from and maybe a hint at where we're going. If people paid more attention to history there might not be a failing counterinsurgency in Iraq and a financial system teetering on the brink of bankruptcy today, because people would've known about the Mahdi uprisings and the roots of Fannie Mae.
-- Steve
[sup]*[/sup](I didn't want to be a teacher; I wanted to be a writer.)
That, if you think about it, is a very sad commentary on our society.
History's (and the Classics in general are) more than just old poems and lists of dead kings; it's a look at how we lived in the past, what decisions were made and what the consequences of those decisions were, where we come from and maybe a hint at where we're going. If people paid more attention to history there might not be a failing counterinsurgency in Iraq and a financial system teetering on the brink of bankruptcy today, because people would've known about the Mahdi uprisings and the roots of Fannie Mae.
-- Steve
[sup]*[/sup](I didn't want to be a teacher; I wanted to be a writer.)
Oh don't make me tell him he's awesome, I don't think he needs to be more egotistical. As for your questions, I don't know about his pay, but I can ask him. I know he's in college right now working on a Bachelor's in Computer Science. I'll ask him if he has a minor or something too.Phantom2595 said: