Clearing up some confusion about Wrestling Fans

[feeback06]

Ask ahoy!

First off, I just want to say thank you for doing this thread. If I could, I would get a "this is awesome!" chant going. Any who, as a fellow fan I want to know what you think about the direction TNA is going in. I can safely say that after watching last week's Impact, I will never watch one again unless it is recommended to me...-_-

 

[feeback06]

Who is the douchebag in the USA commercials who puts his hand to his face and waves it back and forth over his face a few times while trying to look tough, and where can I find that douchebag to tell him that he's such a colossal douchebag?! Seriously, they show that right before the show I was watching comes back on and I always miss part of it because that fucking douchebag's "look at how tough I am waving my hand in front of my face" routine makes me facepalm so hard.

Also I don't care that he could probably ruin my shit without even breaking a sweat, I want to punch him in the face.

That's John Cena and he's from West Newberry, Massachusetts. Sorry I don't have a home address lol.

 

[David_G]

Professional Westling died when the WWE bought out ECW and WCW.

I genuinely enjoyed ECW until it finished, and WWF right up to around 1999. Then lack of competition in the industry killed exciting new ideas and more importantly the WWE has decided that physique > acting ability.

The attitude era was a direct response to the rise of ECW and was excellent, great actors and exciting talented wrestlers on both brands.

With the end of ECW the need to evolve stopped and now we just have body builders with no acting ability with tired old rehashed storylines.

Kinda off topic but...hey

WWF? World Wildlife Fund? I'm confused now.

WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) used to go by WWF (World Wrestling Federation) until it was rebranded in '02

Hence my avatar.

Anyway, I have been a wrestling fan and during that time I watched a lot of shows from earlier, i.e the "Attitude Era", and I really liked it. However, now it seems that I've lost interest in it (maybe it has to do with them stopping the push CM Punk had (that was a joke)), but because while I was a wrestling fan I got to know a lot of the backstage elements (also learned a lot of wrestling slang) I have a lot of respect for some of the wrestlers, because no matter how you see it, they really do work a lot, and do risk their health for the fans when they do certain spots.

 

[mjc0961]

That's John Cena and he's from West Newberry, Massachusetts. Sorry I don't have a home address lol.

Then let it be known that I think John Cena is a colossal douchebag who needs to be punched in the face.

 

[SadakoMoose]

If that is the case my question is, why can't wrestling fans admit they like soap operas?

How can you tolerate something so bad that it makes the Twilight crew look like accomplished and acclaimed actors?

Well there's the Hat Trick, gentlemen.
We don't.
Pro Wrestling doesn't HAVE scenes, and (shouldn't) have acting.
Not when it's done right.
Like I said earlier, in my my very long post directed towards TheComedown, the WWE is an anomaly. They AREN'T a pro wrestling company, anymore.
They, read Vince, have said time and time again that they believe they are a "Sports Entertainment" company.
Well, that's fine by me, because the further I distance myself and my sport from them, the better.
Any how:
Go watch RoH (Ring of Honor) on HDNet.
You can watch it for free on RohBRAZIL'S youtube channel.
No Stupid acting, no ridiculous Soap Opera plots, and no stupid gimmicks.
Just Wrestling, the way it was MEANT to be!

 

[S.R.S.]

Where do they get Boogeyman's worms from?

 

[SadakoMoose]

Ask ahoy!

First off, I just want to say thank you for doing this thread. If I could, I would get a "this is awesome!" chant going. Any who, as a fellow fan I want to know what you think about the direction TNA is going in. I can safely say that after watching last week's Impact, I will never watch one again unless it is recommended to me...-_-

Ok so:
TNA was what got me into pro wrestling when I was a tween, so it's sad for me to have to say that I don't watch it anymore.
When I was kid,just the right age to start watching wrestling, the Attitude Era had just ended and WCW had been bought out. Wrestling had began this nasty downward spiral, where even if my parents had let watch (not that they would have given what happened in the late 90's), I wouldn't have liked it.
Even then, all the kids at school who beat me up watched wrestling, so I hated it even more.
Then one night, while cruising for anime, I found the first wrestling match I ever watched start to finish.
Jay Lethal vs Johnny Divine. (Interference from Team 3D)
I would watch Impact every Thursday, after wards.
Hell, I could probably tell you just how the whole MeM angle started.
But, that's when things got bad.
I don't need to explain why things in TNA are like they are, just watch it for a few minutes.
But, frankly, it's sad to see what could have been a very promising 2nd option go down the drain.

 

[SadakoMoose]

Where do they get Boogeyman's worms from?

You'd have to ask him...
Not even I know!
But here's a funny, totally true, story about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26uu4-0kxjA

 

[S.R.S.]

Ooh I've got one.
What exactly is it that you find so interesting about some huge, muscular, sweating men yelling and being violent to each other?

300/Gladiator/God of War/Gears of War/Duke Nukem/TF2 Heavy/sport/Stallone movies... I guess it's the same reason why everything else is interesing.

 

[omega 616]

Wrestling isn't supposed to be too staged, or scripted, or choreographed, or acted in.

To much enter.
Anyway it isn't supposed to be, but everything I've seen always comes across as incredibly fake. I don't know if that Vince guy was behind it, I don't think he was, but its fake, and it always looks fake, we all know its fake, whats the point in watching a fake fight? If you want fighting try UFC or the boxing or something. This is what i've never gotten.

I can try to answer this one. Yes, wrestling is scripted and UFC isn't. I get it. But wrestlers (the good ones anyway) go out there with the intention of entertaining us. The ones in the arena's and the one's watching at home. Now does Frank Mir care about going out there and giving us 25 minutes? No of course not, he wants to win no matter what. And if he does it in one round? Well tough luck to the guy who spent $60 on a PPV for a 33 second fight.

There actually some fighters who do dance around a little.

Overall, they like to fight and entertainment is also a part of it, they don't really go out to entertain.

A 33 second fight is very fucking rare, but if you watch a fight like Stephen Bonner vs Forrest Griffin at the end your in awe of it, two people punching seven shades of hell out of each other, can just about stand up let alone throw a punch, faces are a bloody, swollen mess all to get another W in the win/loss.

To me it's like playing MOH and being in Iraq, with one your getting excitement but it's nowhere close to the real thing.

In WWE now you can pretty much guess who is going to win the match every time, whoever gains the momentum first will usually lose it, then regain it, then win.

 

[Your once and future Fanboy]

Snip

Settle down on the ol' Enter key champ..

Anyways.

This is what I dislike about Pro Wrestling nowadays. There needs to be about 100% more focus on the matches. I used to watch invasion era Smackdown religiously, then I watched it less frequently, then I kinda stopped around 2006. Once they started airing TNA in Australia I jumped straight on that. It was great! Exciting matches, cheesy but simple and minimal storylines and some pretty decent names. But then a little thing called Hulk Hogan came along, changed some shit up and everything died.

Sometimes I still flick on Smackdown or whatever and see a few good matches, but mostly its drama bullshit and squash matches. God damn I hate squash matches...

I agree with you on the need for more wrestling in wrestling shows, an example for this where the TNA impact episode last week, it lasted 2 hours and people have counted about 6 minutes of wrestling in total on that episode. Someone needs to show these people some old school ring of honor where they had matches going way beyond the half hour mark.

 

[Your once and future Fanboy]

A quick question:
Me and some friends have been discussing what the best kind of finisher would be for a wrestler?
on One hand you have the quick finishers like the DDT variations or kicks I.E your sweet chin musics, your buzz saws and others. On the other hand you have the more intricate ones like the tombstone, the muscle buster or the powerbomb variations. But then you have the submission moves like the crossface, the cloverleaf or the figure-four.
and then you have the reactionary ones, like the rko, the stunner or the diamond cutter.

what do you think is the best type and please give an explanation why and whats your favorite finisher through all time?

 

[SadakoMoose]

A quick question:
Me and some friends have been discussing what the best kind of finisher would be for a wrestler?
on One hand you have the quick finishers like the DDT variations or kicks I.E your sweet chin musics, your buzz saws and others. On the other hand you have the more intricate ones like the tombstone, the muscle buster or the powerbomb variations. But then you have the submission moves like the crossface, the cloverleaf or the figure-four.
and then you have the reactionary ones, like the rko, the stunner or the diamond cutter.

what do you think is the best type and please give an explanation why and whats your favorite finisher through all time?

Aww man, that's IMPOSSIBLE!
I love wrestling WAAY too much to pick any one finisher!
Though, I do REALLY like the GTS.
It snaps and pops, just right!
It's just going UP and then down...POP!

There actually some fighters who do dance around a little.

Overall, they like to fight and entertainment is also a part of it, they don't really go out to entertain.

A 33 second fight is very fucking rare, but if you watch a fight like Stephen Bonner vs Forrest Griffin at the end your in awe of it, two people punching seven shades of hell out of each other, can just about stand up let alone throw a punch, faces are a bloody, swollen mess all to get another W in the win/loss.

To me it's like playing MOH and being in Iraq, with one your getting excitement but it's nowhere close to the real thing.

In WWE now you can pretty much guess who is going to win the match every time, whoever gains the momentum first will usually lose it, then regain it, then win.

I won't dispute you on that, AT ALL.
I think the EXACT SAME THING about the way the WWE does wrestling.
(BTW, My fave Shootfighter/MMA person is Kazushi Sakuraba!)
But, please, when judging my sport try your hardest to put Vince out of your mind.
He doesn't count!
That's like judging movies by what what Michael Bay does.
Or judging Comedy by what Dane Cook does.
Please, watch some of the MV's that I posted on page one.
Billzeroism on youtube can hook you up.
Anything involving:
NOAH, NJPW, Pro Wrestling ZERO ONE, or BJW will work.
Also, check out Ring of Honor on youtube while you're at it.
Why watch TRANSFORMERS 2, when you could be watching Citizen Kane?

 

[orangecharger]

Once Vince owned most of the notable North American brands, I stopped watching. It was the only thing that wasn't a sport that I watched. Sports Entertainment yada yada. I got tired of the recycled plot lines the aging stars, and lack of up and coming stars with real skills. Yes I say skill. I know it's scripted/rehearsed/orchestrated whatever you want to say -- but it's like pulling off a stunt sequence in a movie when you've really only got one take. There is risk of injury when things don't go as planned, etc.

Vince believed that now that he has no competition watering down the action would still garner ratings. Well he wasn't just competing against other wrestling groups for ratings. There are other things on TV.

 

[SadakoMoose]

Once Vince owned most of the notable North American brands, I stopped watching. It was the only thing that wasn't a sport that I watched. Sports Entertainment yada yada. I got tired of the recycled plot lines the aging stars, and lack of up and coming stars with real skills. Yes I say skill. I know it's scripted/rehearsed/orchestrated whatever you want to say -- but it's like pulling off a stunt sequence in a movie when you've really only got one take. There is risk of injury when things don't go as planned, etc.

Vince believed that now that he has no competition watering down the action would still garner ratings. Well he wasn't just competing against other wrestling groups for ratings. There are other things on TV.

And that's why he's going to fail.
Used to be, all he had to compete with were other wrestling promotions.\
Given the incompetency of WCW, the Cronyism of the AWA, the dysfunctional NWA, the "too many chiefs" politics of the USWA, and Paul Heyman's inability to be honest and balance a budget, This wasn't too hard for Vince....
Now that he wants to be a mainstream "entertainment" show, he's going to be up a creek without a paddle.
Just look at their last few PPV buyrates...
Terrible!
The problem starts with Kevin Dunn.
He's their head guy in charge of programming, and guess what?
He HATES wrestling!
He wants the WWE to be an ENTERTAINMENT program, like all the other shows on USA Network.
Well, good luck BUCKY BEAVER! (Ask Jim Cornette why that last line is funny.)

 

[Geekosaurus]

Do you like John Cena?

That is the important question.

One of the best things about him is the way the crowd goes insane when they hear his entrance music. I have to say, I'm a fan of Cena. And of wrestling in general.

 

[Abengoshis]

Ooh I've got one.
What exactly is it that you find so interesting about some huge, muscular, sweating men yelling and being violent to each other?

300/Gladiator/God of War/Gears of War/Duke Nukem/TF2 Heavy/sport/Stallone movies... I guess it's the same reason why everything else is interesing.

Funny how I didn't like 300, Gladiator, God of War, Gears of War, hate sport and haven't watched any Stallone movies. The Heavy along with the Pyro are my least favourite classes in TF2 and Duke Nukem isn't really muscular men shouting at eachother.

 

[SadakoMoose]

Ooh I've got one.
What exactly is it that you find so interesting about some huge, muscular, sweating men yelling and being violent to each other?

300/Gladiator/God of War/Gears of War/Duke Nukem/TF2 Heavy/sport/Stallone movies... I guess it's the same reason why everything else is interesing.

Funny how I didn't like 300, Gladiator, God of War, Gears of War, hate sport and haven't watched any Stallone movies. The Heavy along with the Pyro are my least favourite classes in TF2 and Duke Nukem isn't really muscular men shouting at eachother.

Fact is, when you look at most pro wrestlers (not sports entertainers) you don't see all that many body building physiques any more.
Take guys like:
KENTA and Taiji Ishimori
http://www.noah-usa.cc/JJ2E1081newspage.JPG
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWDqHhY5SE
Bryan Danielson and CM Punk
Normal, Athletic, Builds...
That body builder stereotype is nothing but a cartoonish generalization, perpetuated by Vince McMahon.

 

[feeback06]

Wrestling isn't supposed to be too staged, or scripted, or choreographed, or acted in.

To much enter.
Anyway it isn't supposed to be, but everything I've seen always comes across as incredibly fake. I don't know if that Vince guy was behind it, I don't think he was, but its fake, and it always looks fake, we all know its fake, whats the point in watching a fake fight? If you want fighting try UFC or the boxing or something. This is what i've never gotten.

I can try to answer this one. Yes, wrestling is scripted and UFC isn't. I get it. But wrestlers (the good ones anyway) go out there with the intention of entertaining us. The ones in the arena's and the one's watching at home. Now does Frank Mir care about going out there and giving us 25 minutes? No of course not, he wants to win no matter what. And if he does it in one round? Well tough luck to the guy who spent $60 on a PPV for a 33 second fight.

There actually some fighters who do dance around a little.

Overall, they like to fight and entertainment is also a part of it, they don't really go out to entertain.

A 33 second fight is very fucking rare, but if you watch a fight like Stephen Bonner vs Forrest Griffin at the end your in awe of it, two people punching seven shades of hell out of each other, can just about stand up let alone throw a punch, faces are a bloody, swollen mess all to get another W in the win/loss.

To me it's like playing MOH and being in Iraq, with one your getting excitement but it's nowhere close to the real thing.

In WWE now you can pretty much guess who is going to win the match every time, whoever gains the momentum first will usually lose it, then regain it, then win.

I'm sure that when the fights are even and well contested then they are highly entertaining. My point is that they don't have to be. But I will say that boxing is far more guilty of that then MMA.