college/university good, or bad?

[shootthebandit]

Im not going to university and i didnt plan to, ive always wanted to be an engineer on military aircraft and thankfully i managed to get an apprenticeship with a manfucturer of military aircraft so i had no need to go university. im a fairly intelligent person but university never appealled to me.

heres what i think, nowadays EVERYONE is given the oppertunity to go to uni with scholorships and even people who get C and D grades can get a degree in astrophysics etc. Now that everyone has the chance to get a degree it devalues it. think about it this way, you get a degree to give yourself a better chance of getting a good job but if everyone applies for a job with a degree then you have go no more of a chance than anyone else (obviously negating degrees in medicine and law, they are still important). also it affects the economy in other ways, if the majority of people have a degree then who is going to be builders and cleaners so we end up getting in immigrants (not that immigration is a bad thing) to do these jobs. it also effects people without degrees, as alot of jobs now require a degree that a few years ago wouldnt have required one.

im not trying to put-off anyone going to uni nor am i saying that its easier (just more accessible) BUT i think that there needs to be more options to still get a good job without a degree, i was lucky but alot of people wont be as lucky as me. they may still be intelligent people capable of holding a good job but just dont get the opertunity

what is your opinion do you think everyone should go to uni/college OR do you think there needs to be more options for intelligent people to get a good job without going down this route

 

[Legend of J]

Im 20 year old and im in a well paid manager job just under £500 a week. And ive only being there a mounth and i went to college and studied animal care and i never went to uni!.

So i think it proves if you work for it or get lucky. But degrees do help.

 

[Palademon]

Well this is unusual; someone wanting to join the military saying how university is pointless.

 

[Axolotl]

even people who get C and D grades can get a degree in astrophysics etc.

Why is this a bad thing? Should someone not be allowed to learn about astrophysics because of a mediocre academic talent?

 

[Sleekgiant]

Well depends on the person, some people are cut out for Uni and can do quite well after, some are cut out for minimal secondary education(me for example taking Networking at a 2 year) and use that to get their foot in the door, then people like my dad who started at a job for $7 an hour and now make six figures a year. There is no good or bad thing, just what seems right for you.

 

[shootthebandit]

even people who get C and D grades can get a degree in astrophysics etc.

Why is this a bad thing? Should someone not be allowed to learn about astrophysics because of a mediocre academic talent?

whats the point in going to school then, you may aswell just go straight to uni if they are requiring Cs and Ds

 

[shootthebandit]

Well this is unusual; someone wanting to join the military saying how university is pointless.

im not actually joining the military, im joining a firm that manufactures for the military

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

OP

There are more benefits to an education than simply preparing yourself for a particular career. Not to sound too much like a College Elitist, but contemporary society has really lost sight of the importance of the "liberal arts" in cultivating a well-rounded, critically-thinking modern adult.

 

[RyQ_TMC]

Mainly depends on the field. I've done molecular biology (I'm doing postgrad now), and at least here, you pretty much have to hold at least a master's to do anything. Every now and then, you hear a success story of someone publishing in "Science" before finishing their BSc, but that's usually someone who works at their dad's lab, or whatever. Most people have to go through the usual BSc -> PhD -> post-doc routine.

I think a lot of people who do management degrees could go straight into the job market. At least from what I've seen, it mostly depends on starting at some lowly position as early as possible and working your way up, rather than devoting 3-5 years of your life to getting a degree and then getting ousted because you lack practical experience.

I've heard a lot of complaints about universities getting "bloated", and there might be some truth in that. Although maybe the number of different degrees is fine, and we should just cut down on government-funded scholarships for courses with no immediate social benefit to them.

People going to uni "by default", because they don't want to enter adult life just yet, are indeed a problem. But that doesn't apply to everyone, not even to a majority.

nowadays EVERYONE is given the oppertunity to go to uni with scholorships

And you make it sound like it's a bad thing. Maybe I misunderstood you, but are you saying access to uni should be restricted to people who can pay their own way?

Also, you're not really helping your case with the mass of spelling mistakes.

 

[PureChaos]

degrees can help but i've spoken to many people who say that people with a good eduction may not neceserilly be good at the job

 

[Dags90]

Well I'm glad I live in the U.S. where graduation rates for Bachelor's programs remain below 30%. Many scholarships have grade stipulations and I've never heard of a university that didn't have minimum graduation requirements.

In the U.S. at least, post-secondary education is such a big business that there are endless options.

 

[ThePeaceFrog]

Statistics show that university graduates (in the UK at least) on average will earn a lot more than non-graduates in their life time. The Times Higher education supplement quotes that a graduate can expect to earn an extra £400,000 ($620000+) in their life time when compared against a non-graduate, which is a pretty big return.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Well this is unusual; someone wanting to join the military saying how university is pointless.

im not actually joining the military, im joining a firm that manufactures for the military

My math and Engineering teachers did that, seems like a good job.

Anyway, you can get lucky and get a decent job without a degree, but it does help your chances. Whether that's worth the cost is up to you.

 

[EeveeElectro]

My English teacher said something similar actually, and I have to agree.
When I told my friends I wasn't going to Uni, they always seemed really shocked, and wonder how I'd get a job without a degree.
They do seem to think the second they leave University, they'll have a million job offers, I don't think it quite works like that.
I want to do an apprenticeship right now... hopefully in animal and child care or hospitality. Uni isn't the path I want to take, but fair dos to anyone who does.

 

[shootthebandit]

Mainly depends on the field. I've done molecular biology (I'm doing postgrad now), and at least here, you pretty much have to hold at least a master's to do anything. Every now and then, you hear a success story of someone publishing in "Science" before finishing their BSc, but that's usually someone who works at their dad's lab, or whatever. Most people have to go through the usual BSc -> PhD -> post-doc routine.

I think a lot of people who do management degrees could go straight into the job market. At least from what I've seen, it mostly depends on starting at some lowly position as early as possible and working your way up, rather than devoting 3-5 years of your life to getting a degree and then getting ousted because you lack practical experience.

I've heard a lot of complaints about universities getting "bloated", and there might be some truth in that. Although maybe the number of different degrees is fine, and we should just cut down on government-funded scholarships for courses with no immediate social benefit to them.

People going to uni "by default", because they don't want to enter adult life just yet, are indeed a problem. But that doesn't apply to everyone, not even to a majority.

nowadays EVERYONE is given the oppertunity to go to uni with scholorships

And you make it sound like it's a bad thing. Maybe I misunderstood you, but are you saying access to uni should be restricted to people who can pay their own way?

Also, you're not really helping your case with the mass of spelling mistakes.

i agree with what you are saying, understandably for someone in your position a degree is required, you cant simply go into a job in molecular biology without studying it at uni. whereas things like management and in many cases engineering can be learned by having hands-on experience in the work place.

i also agree about people going to uni simply because they have to or because they are not ready to leave education. At my school most people were going to uni simply because they wanted ANY degree now in my opinion you need to know what you want to do when you go to university

also it is a bad thing that everyone has the opertunity to go to university, because not everyone needs to go. if anyone can obtain a degree then you will need to spend a few years at uni to become a bin man or a cleaner. i think the vast amount of degrees is pointless (except the traditional degrees: science and law etc) i just think there needs to be more options in advanced hands-on training rather than simply going to an establishment of higher education

on a side note: im aware my spelling is aweful but im also a terrible typer so i doesnt help matters

 

[firedfns13]

Im not going to university and i didnt plan to, ive always wanted to be an engineer on military aircraft and thankfully i managed to get an apprenticeship with a manfucturer of military aircraft so i had no need to go university. im a fairly intelligent person but university never appealled to me.

heres what i think, nowadays EVERYONE is given the oppertunity to go to uni with scholorships and even people who get C and D grades can get a degree in astrophysics etc. Now that everyone has the chance to get a degree it devalues it. think about it this way, you get a degree to give yourself a better chance of getting a good job but if everyone applies for a job with a degree then you have go no more of a chance than anyone else (obviously negating degrees in medicine and law, they are still important). also it affects the economy in other ways, if the majority of people have a degree then who is going to be builders and cleaners so we end up getting in immigrants (not that immigration is a bad thing) to do these jobs. it also effects people without degrees, as alot of jobs now require a degree that a few years ago wouldnt have required one.

im not trying to put-off anyone going to uni nor am i saying that its easier (just more accessible) BUT i think that there needs to be more options to still get a good job without a degree, i was lucky but alot of people wont be as lucky as me. they may still be intelligent people capable of holding a good job but just dont get the opertunity

what is your opinion do you think everyone should go to uni/college OR do you think there needs to be more options for intelligent people to get a good job without going down this route

I hate you out of jealousy. I'm at University for Bio Engineering but I really want to switch to Electrical Engineering to work at Boeing/Lockheed/Northrup seeing as I'd love to work with defense contractors.

How'd you land that sick job without basic grammar usage? Here everyone laughs at you if you don't capitalize where you need to and other stuff. I've gotten away from texting language in all forms of communication because of that. And I hate when people say 'your' in the wrong usage. XD

 

[shootthebandit]

Im not going to university and i didnt plan to, ive always wanted to be an engineer on military aircraft and thankfully i managed to get an apprenticeship with a manfucturer of military aircraft so i had no need to go university. im a fairly intelligent person but university never appealled to me.

heres what i think, nowadays EVERYONE is given the oppertunity to go to uni with scholorships and even people who get C and D grades can get a degree in astrophysics etc. Now that everyone has the chance to get a degree it devalues it. think about it this way, you get a degree to give yourself a better chance of getting a good job but if everyone applies for a job with a degree then you have go no more of a chance than anyone else (obviously negating degrees in medicine and law, they are still important). also it affects the economy in other ways, if the majority of people have a degree then who is going to be builders and cleaners so we end up getting in immigrants (not that immigration is a bad thing) to do these jobs. it also effects people without degrees, as alot of jobs now require a degree that a few years ago wouldnt have required one.

im not trying to put-off anyone going to uni nor am i saying that its easier (just more accessible) BUT i think that there needs to be more options to still get a good job without a degree, i was lucky but alot of people wont be as lucky as me. they may still be intelligent people capable of holding a good job but just dont get the opertunity

what is your opinion do you think everyone should go to uni/college OR do you think there needs to be more options for intelligent people to get a good job without going down this route

I hate you out of jealousy. I'm at University for Bio Engineering but I really want to switch to Electrical Engineering to work at Boeing/Lockheed/Northrup seeing as I'd love to work with defense contractors.

How'd you land that sick job without basic grammar usage? Here everyone laughs at you if you don't capitalize where you need to and other stuff. I've gotten away from texting language in all forms of communication because of that. And I hate when people say 'your' in the wrong usage. XD

i was actually in the process of joining the RAF to do the same job, while i was waiting for a reply i was looking for a part-time job so i searched for jobs in my local area and i found one for a trainee aircraft engineer. What helped was the fact that i had been in the air cadets since i was 13 and it showed that i had a real passion for aviation.

 

[shootthebandit]

OP

There are more benefits to an education than simply preparing yourself for a particular career. Not to sound too much like a College Elitist, but contemporary society has really lost sight of the importance of the "liberal arts" in cultivating a well-rounded, critically-thinking modern adult.

oh i definatly have to agree with you, im not a very "artistic" person. im more logical and mathematical