Competitive multiplayer, skill and conduct

Recommended Videos

Syzygy23

New member
Sep 20, 2010
824
0
0
Vegosiux said:
In any kind of competition, it's natural that skill should be a major factor to the end result, the placement of an individual/team, of course.

What about conduct? Should that be counted in? What makes "a good player", skill alone, or the way they carry themselves, their attitude and their behavior? I for one, believe those qualities should be just as important. For example, now I know this might be a bit of a flame bait, but that's why Christiano Ronaldo will never be better than Lionel Messi - while I do not question CR's skills, his primadonna attitude really does reduce his value as a player in my eyes.

We have "unsportsmanlike conduct" penalties in sports, and I think they should have a place in competitive gaming as well. Being good at something should not give you free lease to demean, abuse and insult those that aren't as good.

Cheaters get banned all the time, for example, which is a good thing, but how about people who just poison the air around them when they step on the scene? Shouldn't, for example, in competitive ladders, abusive behavior result in loss of rating? Shouldn't people who are not capable and/or willing to be good sports be kicked out of a competition?
NOPE! Only factor for determining how good or skilled a player is, is their personal K/D ratio!

L2P or GTFO n00bLOOOOOOOLn00b
 

DustyDrB

Made of ticky tacky
Jan 19, 2010
8,365
3
43
I'm a server admin in TF2. I find the people I kick and ban for behavioral things are most often pretty bad at the game. Of course, communication is integral in a game like that so the best players naturally value that facet of it.

If you're taunting an enemy player over and over in our server, you'll get kicked. If you come back and continue to do it, you'll get banned. For one, that's not the kind of atmosphere we want on our server. For two, you're wasting too much time typing out your petty argument/taunts and not actually contributing to the game (we don't use all-talk). So yeah, act like a dick long enough around us and you'll find yourself banned. Racism? You'll be gone even more quickly or even instantly, depending on what admins are around.

And this system works. Trolling and unsporting behavior isn't really a big problem for us. People who want to do that are gone quickly. The rest just play the game, and very often become regulars.

Rumpsteak said:
No, unsporting conduct is not a problem legislation will solve. It is up to the community to regulate itself. If everyone stopped playing with those that pollute the game atmosphere the issue would disappear overnight. What we have now is people wanting an outside authority to take away any and all sense of responsibility so that they don't have to stand up for what they want.
Who is talking about legislation? Not the OP. I'm pretty sure he is talking about how admins police their own servers. It should absolutely be that way. Some people don't really care if their servers are full of hackers and trolls. See: The Lotus clan servers in TF2.
 

TheOrb

New member
Jun 24, 2012
169
0
0
I don't trash talk, taunt or flaunt my victories...
Quoting a pro: "Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
Although if my opponent has fallen for the same trick for the 14th time, I have to laugh.
 

Rumpsteak

New member
Nov 7, 2011
275
0
0
Who is talking about legislation? Not the OP. I'm pretty sure he is talking about how admins police their own servers. It should absolutely be that way. Some people don't really care if their servers are full of hackers and trolls. See: The Lotus clan servers in TF2.
Possible, I read it as relating to the overall scene within a game and how those that issue things like account suspensions deal with it. If I'm mistaken I'll adjust my post.
 

Sean Hollyman

New member
Jun 24, 2011
5,175
0
0
I just say segragate those who are uncivilized and bad and let the nice people play together.

When I'm playing with someone who actually does good I usually send them a MSG complimenting them.
 

targren

New member
May 13, 2009
1,314
0
0
TrevHead said:
I agree, especially in the way ppl act to one another, I find the "don't have fun" ppl or even worse "don't make mistakes!" ppl to be VERY tiresome when first starting out in a game.
That's what chased me out of the Smite beta after my first game. Probably could have gotten the hang of it pretty quickly (apparently that's what a DOTA-type game is? I'd never played one before) but honestly, I'm clearly for too unconcerned with the size of my digital willy to fit in with the community in that sort of game.
 

Zhukov

The Laughing Arsehole
Dec 29, 2009
13,769
5
43
I'd rather play with nice folks who aren't all that good than with uber-leet arseholes.
 

BlueKenja

New member
Jul 4, 2011
61
0
0
Yeah, there's a difference between a skilled player and a good player, the best players are ones who are not only good at the game but calm, rational and pleasant.
I have this issue with many in our local Magic: the Gathering communities, our more "competitive" community consists of 90% arrogant, elitist assholes who condescend any player not running the latest top standard deck whether by actually rifling through their deck and literally tossing out cards and telling them to totally rebuild (regardless of deck type...even players on a budget get this treatment) or simply their arrogant and condescending attitude towards newer players or less skilled players.

I've noticed that my "more local" (nearer to my home) community are starting to go this way too. When we started up magic there most players were new to the game and were playing for fun (excepting 2 "pros" who were two of the most conceited and cliqueish people I've ever met) but now that players are getting better and more competitive and more skilled players are filtering in the level of "win at all costs" "serious business" attitudes are increasing to the point where it's just not pleasant going if I don't have my close friends there.

I've been playing more and more EDH lately simply because that community seems so much more laid back and pleasant than our local Standard community. "Oh that's a new commander, cool can't wait to see how that deck plays" vs. "You're running what? Not Delver or Wolf's Run? O-kay...easy enough then." /arrogant snort.

I noticed that not a single Judge I've come across is like this though, they're all polite and professional despite being pro players and knowing the rules inside out.
 

Tallim

New member
Mar 16, 2010
2,054
0
0
BlueKenja said:
Yeah, there's a difference between a skilled player and a good player, the best players are ones who are not only good at the game but calm, rational and pleasant.
I have this issue with many in our local Magic: the Gathering communities, our more "competitive" community consists of 90% arrogant, elitist assholes who condescend any player not running the latest top standard deck whether by actually rifling through their deck and literally tossing out cards and telling them to totally rebuild (regardless of deck type...even players on a budget get this treatment) or simply their arrogant and condescending attitude towards newer players or less skilled players.

I've noticed that my "more local" (nearer to my home) community are starting to go this way too. When we started up magic there most players were new to the game and were playing for fun (excepting 2 "pros" who were two of the most conceited and cliqueish people I've ever met) but now that players are getting better and more competitive and more skilled players are filtering in the level of "win at all costs" "serious business" attitudes are increasing to the point where it's just not pleasant going if I don't have my close friends there.

I've been playing more and more EDH lately simply because that community seems so much more laid back and pleasant than our local Standard community. "Oh that's a new commander, cool can't wait to see how that deck plays" vs. "You're running what? Not Delver or Wolf's Run? O-kay...easy enough then." /arrogant snort.

I noticed that not a single Judge I've come across is like this though, they're all polite and professional despite being pro players and knowing the rules inside out.
Ugh those sort of people have always been around in Magic. I imagine it has only got worse. When I returned to playing I went with Magic Online, partly so I wouldn't have to deal with this sort of thing and partly because their isn't anywhere nearby to easily go get a game.

Not that it doesn't stop there being a lot of know-it-all condescending people online. For some reason people bring tourney worthy decks into the casual room, not a huge problem by itself but then they get all bent out of shape if they lose or do the really irritating thing of trying to tell you everything you did wrong.

At least you can block people online.