Conan the Barbarian and the problem with nostalgia

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Yokai

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So, critics appear to be panning it and Moviebob believes it's not worth more than ten seconds of attention. It seems there's no hope for the new Conan, and this is a shame. Here's why.

2011!Conan sets out to do one thing: to tell a violent and spectacular fantasy story. There's none of the metaphorical speculation of Inception, none of the ham-fisted morals of Avatar. It is, at its heart, pure adventure. And really, what should we be expecting here? Conan was a character created to kill monsters, thwart power-mad sorcerers, explore ancient ruins, have sex with busty women, and find hidden treasure. With that in mind, does this movie pull it off? Absolutely. We get sweeping vistas of ancient castles, a pitched battle aboard a pirate ship and a duel above a volcanic chasm, a horse and wagon chase, the requisite tentacle monster, and plenty of sorcery and berserking. Accompanying this is a soundtrack by Tyler Bates that comes pretty close to Poledouris' score for the original in scale and impressiveness. In terms of spectacle, the movie delivers without any doubt.

Granted, it's not without flaws. There's nary a break in the action longer than ten minutes, and we don't get to see much at all of Howard's frequently stealthy and charismatic Conan. It's definitely darker than 1982!Conan, and perhaps does take itself a little too seriously. However, at the end of the day, it is at least as good as the original film. Jason Momoa plays a more driven and believable (if not all that well developed) Conan, as opposed to Schwarzenegger's clumsy, inarticulate character who kind of just seemed to be along for the ride for much of the time in the '82 version.

So why are the critics giving it such a hard time? Well, I think it all boils down to that great enemy of progress and rationality, nostalgia. A lot of people, especially some older fans who haven't seen the movie in over 20 years, are remembering the original as far better than it actually was. 1982's Conan was a wonderfully cheesy film that was great fun to watch, but the plot was minimal, the acting (with the exception of James Earl Jones) was atrocious, and the pacing was strangely irregular. The only real leg up over 2011!Conan the original has is its soundtrack, which was truly excellent. Otherwise, they're both movies you watch to see a guy with giant pecs fight things, and both do a great job of delivering that.

Many fans have a stupidly fierce loyalty to the property without having read the original stories or even having seen the first film in years. Nostalgia is causing people to say 2011!Conan is terrible simply because it's not the original, and there's no pleasing people like that.

So don't listen to the critics in this case; their opinions are pretty biased. Keep in mind that both films are adaptations, and inaccurate ones at that, and the new movie isn't trying to be the old movie. Go into the theater not expecting some brilliant, thought-provoking piece of cinema, but an adventure story and nothing else. And no, that's not to say the film "isn't trying to be good". It is trying be a Conan movie, and doing a pretty damn good job. You should be expecting to see evil wizards, giant monsters and ridiculous, over-the-top fight scenes, and you won't be disappointed. This is probably the best Conan movie we can expect from Hollywood's current generation. No, it's not the greatest thing to come out this year. But it's certainly not the worst.

So watch the film and decide for yourself whether it was worth your time. I can pretty safely say Bob's wrong about this one.
 

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I have never watched or read anything Conan, but yeah nostalgia can be a dangerous thing. Have all the reviews compared this 2011 adaptation to the 1982 version? Maybe better to wait for a more objective critic.
 

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lockecole21 said:
if everybody's panning the movie there maybe a reason other then just nostalgia goggles(given the average age of this current generation's movie goer and some of the critic's weren't even a glimmer in their fathers eye when the originals came out) there were two Conan movies from the 80's btw Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer.82 and 84 respectfully,so i ask you this simply put is this movie worth 15 dollars?or should i just wait for the DVD?
Nevertheless, most people who are into Conan at all have seen the Schwarzenegger flick, even if they weren't alive or old enough in the 80s, and keep in mind nostalgia comes into effect pretty quickly. Think about how many people still worship Half-Life 2 as the god of FPS games--it's only been out for seven six and a half years.

I wouldn't pay for the 3D version, but then I wouldn't pay for the 3D version of just about any movie. Watch it for $7.50 if you can, or get the DVD. No, it's not a brilliant film, but it's worth seeing at some point.

Also, there was never any film known as "Conan the Destroyer", and anyone who claims there is must surely be mistaken...
 

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It helps the '82 movie's case that it's a better story and that the action is better BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
 

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Yokai said:
Also, there was never any film known as "Conan the Destroyer", and anyone who claims there is must surely be mistaken...
Before you speak, Google.
 

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Yokai said:
Also, there was never any film known as "Conan the Destroyer", and anyone who claims there is must surely be mistaken...

Here, lemme IMDB that for ya...there ya go, all nice and neat for your convenience. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087078/]
 

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I thought the original 1982 version was filled with symbolism about I religion, I really wouldn't know since I haven't really seen it but my friend insists it is a deep thought provoking movie about religion and atheism so I'm not sure about what you are saying because I don't know which of you to believe... maybe I should watch it.
 

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There is also the other sorta Conan movie that hasn't been brought up yet... Red Sonja. This was also a product of the 80's.
 

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I just saw the new one today, and thought it was a better film than the 1982 one. This coming from a huge Conan fan who forced his university Sci-fi club to watch the 1982 one for their own good
 

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Yokai said:
Also, there was never any film known as "Conan the Destroyer", and anyone who claims there is must surely be mistaken...
Well you just went and walked into a wall didn't you cupcake.

I know the film is a bit terrible but you can't deny it's existence. It must be made known and cherished as a warning to future directors to never ... EVER ... reboot Conan the Destroyer ... never. It must be avoided like the plague.

Mainly because it would have to have a "Grace Jones" type character and Grace Jones was a weird scary *****.

Just so you cannot deny it's existence any longer I shall give you the trailer to bring you out of your veil and remind you of the joy of the Destroyer.


Enjoy.

Also...

electric method said:
There is also the other sorta Conan movie that hasn't been brought up yet... Red Sonja. This was also a product of the 80's.
Red Sonja was an awesome film. It was one of my favourites as a kid (and nothing to do with a scantily clad Brigitte Nielsen .... honest).

Rumour abounds that they are planning a remake of that aswell.

Is nothing from our childhoods safe?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800175/

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/entertainment/the_tab/Rose-seeing-Red-127969953.html
 

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lol. No, I don't think much from our childhood is safe. I will date myself by saying I saw all 3 of these movies in the theater. As well as a lot of other campy 80's action films.
 

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Thank god.

I pretty much had a feeling that this is what the film would boil down to. Not some phenomenal film, but one that was roughly as good as the original ones. And yes, I resent Movie bob and the rest of the critics who either cant look past the nostalgia or look down their nose far enough to see this film in any sort of focus. Its an action flick with gore, vistas, sex, swords, sorcery etc. For everything that might be bad about this film I guarantee you, its better than the Expendables, which is being considered for a sequel.

I honestly think that its impossible to be an impartial movie critic. Either you forget what the point of the job is, or just get swallowed up by the constant stream of negativity that comes with the job.


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Also, on the notion of No Conan the destroyer, Poes law is there simply because too many people are too lazy to bother to read and figure out context. It was clear sarcasm. Try reading it again in the style of Yahtzee and I bet money it becomes more clear.

Edit: Red Sonja: It was originally Red Sonja reboot that sparked the interest for this project. My understanding it was originally tagged to feature Rose McGowan, though that has likely already changed.

Edit 2: As for bad adaptation.. at least it isnt Kull the Conqueror, considering that was originally supposed to be Conan The Conqueror, but Ahnold wasnt interested, and it bounced around in developmental hell. THAT was a piece of shit which no body can deny.
 

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Hammeroj said:
Indeed, a lot of critics are blinded with nostalgia when it comes to rating this movie. However, it still is not good. Apart from one cool part (nose, finger, wink wink) it is completely and utterly generic and without oomph. There aren't any cool action set pieces, there aren't any great lines, and the soundtrack is just plain painful.
I'm going to go with this.

I mean, I remember Conan from when I was a kid, and he was cool, but I don't really have nostalgia for him. That said, I still like the cheesy originals more than the current "I'm so serial in a fantasy realm" version. This one is ok, but completely generic.

Fair enough review(?) and opinion, though. No hate here.
 

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An interesting experiment I'd undertake if I had the funds: see the new Conan, then watch the old one after writing up a review. I don't think my wife has seen either. Her opinion would be unbiased and probably refreshing (if somewhat caustic).

Thanks for delivering a review without nostalgia. They seem to be somewhat rare.
 

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lockecole21 said:
Yokai said:
lockecole21 said:
if everybody's panning the movie there maybe a reason other then just nostalgia goggles(given the average age of this current generation's movie goer and some of the critic's weren't even a glimmer in their fathers eye when the originals came out) there were two Conan movies from the 80's btw Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer.82 and 84 respectfully,so i ask you this simply put is this movie worth 15 dollars?or should i just wait for the DVD?
Nevertheless, most people who are into Conan at all have seen the Schwarzenegger flick, even if they weren't alive or old enough in the 80s, and keep in mind nostalgia comes into effect pretty quickly. Think about how many people still worship Half-Life 2 as the god of FPS games--it's only been out for seven six and a half years.

I wouldn't pay for the 3D version, but then I wouldn't pay for the 3D version of just about any movie. Watch it for $7.50 if you can, or get the DVD. No, it's not a brilliant film, but it's worth seeing at some point.

Also, there was never any film known as "Conan the Destroyer", and anyone who claims there is must surely be mistaken...
(massive facepalm)I've seen both of the when they originally came out (I'm 35 btw) and yes my condescending there is a Conan the Destroyer here's the link http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087078/
do me a favor before automatically saying there is no such thing google it instead of just saying it does not exist.
Turigamot said:
Yokai said:
Also, there was never any film known as "Conan the Destroyer", and anyone who claims there is must surely be mistaken...
Before you speak, Google.
The Great JT said:
Yokai said:
Also, there was never any film known as "Conan the Destroyer", and anyone who claims there is must surely be mistaken...

Here, lemme IMDB that for ya...there ya go, all nice and neat for your convenience. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087078/]
Never before have I seen so many people completely miss a joke.
He's saying that it was bad not that it didn't actually exist.