Concerning "soulja boy" and his lyrics.
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So you don't feel any compassion for the British and American (and countless other nations') soldiers who died to stop the holocaust?No_Remainders said:
Not to call you out on your opinion, it's your's. I'd like to know what about soldier's families? What if there was a draft? Or we did Starship Troopers military service = citizenship.No_Remainders said:
I'm not gonna call you an evil bastard but the logic breaks down when the soldiers don't enlist to die. They enlist for a lot of reasons and while they chose to enter and put themselves in danger they are a symbol of the courage that defends your right to have that opinion. I'm not trying to guilt you into agreeing with me. Sure, they may not be fighting for your individual freedom by being stationed in Iraq or Pakistan, but they have committed their life to the military and are ready to die so others will live. That to me is enough to give them respect and sympathy. Of course, this may just sound like the ramblings of a southern American. If you don't support troops here, you might be lynched.
I will always think of this when someone mentions Solja Boy from now on: (skip to 1:41)
By the way, wasn't he just sort of a one hit wonder type? I hadn't heard about him since that video >.>
Anyway, concerning the topic, not all rappers are assholes or self absorbed.
Most musicians in general are pretty damn arrogant or self centred so it should be expected at this point.
Who cares though? There are people of every genre and creed who don't have the same ideals you do. Tons of metal bands despise the idea of war and their lyrics show not only their distaste for their government but for a personal gripe with the soldiers as well.
But that's really beside the point, isn't it?
A large portion of metal bands (not all but a lot) are anti-war and anti-authority in general. Both of these bands are exceptions to what you're talking about. Drowning Pool is fucking awful but they're one of the few (like Disturbed or Five Finger Death Punch) who do similar pro-war/troops stuff like this. Something they share in common is that they're all terrible.
Just my personal opinion, yes but take a better look at the entire music scene and not just one loud asshole.
By the way, wasn't he just sort of a one hit wonder type? I hadn't heard about him since that video >.>
Anyway, concerning the topic, not all rappers are assholes or self absorbed.
Most musicians in general are pretty damn arrogant or self centred so it should be expected at this point.
Who cares though? There are people of every genre and creed who don't have the same ideals you do. Tons of metal bands despise the idea of war and their lyrics show not only their distaste for their government but for a personal gripe with the soldiers as well.
But that's really beside the point, isn't it?
Actually, I'll just quote this guy as he's absolutely right.ChadSexington said:
A large portion of metal bands (not all but a lot) are anti-war and anti-authority in general. Both of these bands are exceptions to what you're talking about. Drowning Pool is fucking awful but they're one of the few (like Disturbed or Five Finger Death Punch) who do similar pro-war/troops stuff like this. Something they share in common is that they're all terrible.
Just my personal opinion, yes but take a better look at the entire music scene and not just one loud asshole.
I have every ounce of respect for someone who becomes a soldier, but seriously dude. Hop off your high horse.
First of all, Soulja Boy is a retard. He's literally the stupidest ************ i have ever witnessed on this earth. Getting worked up over his lyrics is not worth it, he doesn't even think while writing them. You'll spend more time on them than he does. Using him as the basis of judging rappers is like judging all swedes based on the swedish chef.
Also, what is so special about writing a song for a cause? People do it all the time. The trick is making one that actually touches your heart or elaborates on the issue. The song you posted did neither. If i wanted to play something about the struggles of soldiers i would play this.
Y'know, written and performed by someone that actually knows something about the issue. And that manages to convey some of the emotion involved.
Just so that you know, rap has a long and proud tradition of being the deepest popular music out there. That's still true to this day, it doesn't matter if its underground or mainstream. Even amongst the mega-hits of recent years there's plenty of them, "Love The Way You Lie", "Airplanes", "Day N Nite" to name a few. Fuck even Lil Wayne tried his hand at them with "How To Love".
It's just that you won't properly listen to these "self absorbed, egotistical, waste of space, no talent, piece of cowardly shit rap ( and I use the term VERY loosely) "artists" pouring out their heart and soul in a microphone.
Get you facts straight before you speak.
First of all, Soulja Boy is a retard. He's literally the stupidest ************ i have ever witnessed on this earth. Getting worked up over his lyrics is not worth it, he doesn't even think while writing them. You'll spend more time on them than he does. Using him as the basis of judging rappers is like judging all swedes based on the swedish chef.
Also, what is so special about writing a song for a cause? People do it all the time. The trick is making one that actually touches your heart or elaborates on the issue. The song you posted did neither. If i wanted to play something about the struggles of soldiers i would play this.
Y'know, written and performed by someone that actually knows something about the issue. And that manages to convey some of the emotion involved.
Just so that you know, rap has a long and proud tradition of being the deepest popular music out there. That's still true to this day, it doesn't matter if its underground or mainstream. Even amongst the mega-hits of recent years there's plenty of them, "Love The Way You Lie", "Airplanes", "Day N Nite" to name a few. Fuck even Lil Wayne tried his hand at them with "How To Love".
It's just that you won't properly listen to these "self absorbed, egotistical, waste of space, no talent, piece of cowardly shit rap ( and I use the term VERY loosely) "artists" pouring out their heart and soul in a microphone.
Get you facts straight before you speak.
... you know, Iraqis are human beings too. Didn't seem much compassion in that "Shock and Awe" campaign all those years ago. At least it turned out ok, and was done for all the right reasons and now everything's better than it was before. Go soldiers!Mandalore_15 said:
I have to agree with this. And since I have one of my mates music on my computer as well as some of my library, he apparently has Soulja Boy in his library and I, having my itunes on random, was listening to music the other day and his crap came on and I skipped it and deleted it off my computer. Basically though, with every genre you're going to get good artists and crap artists just depends on your taste. There is *some* good rap but I find it few and far between so I don't really listen to it. I do listen to more metal but that's cause it is good exercise musicWuggy said:
Captain Ponyholder said:
They risk their lives for their country, yeah, but it's stupid. Honestly, I think anyone who makes the conscious decision to go to war is stupid. Conscription is a different matter, because it's forced. But deciding to go fight? That's disgraceful, and it's why I don't trust humanity.
Doesn't hurt that the first five minutes is him mentioning where you can get the song.Sparcrypt said:
Yeah, but you know what? Soldiers aren't the people who decide whether or not to go to war. This is a frequently recurring viewpoint that annoys me to no end. You can't blame a soldier for the war he fights in. He makes a pledge to serve his country, and it's his country that decides what he does. If you want someone to blame, look at your commander-in-chief, or perhaps even yourself if you were old enough to vote.Wicky_42 said:
If you're interested in philosophy surrounding soldiers and morality, might I suggest you pick up a copy of Michael Walzer's "Just and Unjust Wars"? You can get it pretty cheap online now. I don't agree with everything he says, but if you're interested in the subject it's the bast starting point I know of.
You do know that combat and war and only part of a soldier's duty, right? How about the protection and security they provide to communities in the middle east that are opposed to terrorist regimes? How about the work they do trying to rebuild people's homes and lives in war-torn areas, and provide families with food and medicines and their children with education. Hell, even playing a game of football with the kids there does a great deal for people's lives. Soldiers do these things every day.No_Remainders said:
Also, it's clear to me that you consider yourself a pacifist, but you honestly don't think there is a just cause to fight in war? So in WW2, do you think people who joined the army out of choice were assholes, where as those that were drafted were just innocent victims?