Conduit Studio Accused of Amazonbombing Conduit Reviewer - UPDATED

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Therumancer

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Interesting, and honestly this is one of the big reasons why I have issues with professional reviews to begin with. Professional reviewers are too easy to leverage, as to become professional they sometimes have some kind of qualifications/business experience that makes their opinion supposedly re meaingful than the average guy on the street. Authors, magazine regulars, etc, like we see here, which puts them on the side of the industry or easy to attack through their other interests. Even not considering that professional reviewers are often hired by periodicals that actually make their money by selling ads to the very companies making the products being reviewed. That tends to hurt the impartiality of the reviewers. Right not it's rare to see game reviews below a 7/10, and people scream bloody murder if their game ever gets reviewed as below average like say a 4/10.

I tend to find professional reviews interesting, but put more stock in community response, looking towards youtube guys like Whity The Reviewer or Slasherthrasher when and where I find their stuff for more impartial coverage as they aren't taking money from anyone to the best of my knowlege.

As a result I find it kind of interesting to see that with an increasingly corrupt professional review industry, we're seeing the private "user" reviews greatly deviating from the professional ones, and situations with Bioware attempting to "shill" their products and so on. Right now I also notice that without any direct way to control the results without shilling or calling for fanboy rampages, there is a tendency to blame poor word of mouth reception on "review bombing" when in reality trolls have been out there since there have been reviews and things like meta critic, and they have never had the effect attributed to them with things like the initial reaction to "Portal 2" which seems to have been boosted by a fanboy crusade in response.

I find the whole thing interesting, and wonder what is going to happen. It makes me think that the whole system needs to be somehow reformed (and by this I don't mean getting rid of numerical ratings, they work well, the people who complain about them are usually the ones who get nailed). If there isn't one already, maybe some kind of "video game review writers union" or something, though given the number of, and nature of game reviewing, that wouldn't work without what amounts to mafia-type enforcement of policies, so it's an impractical idea at best.
 

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mariofan1000 said:
Sounds like they were actually trying to thank him by suggesting they read his book, and everyone took it wrong way.
Yes, definitively. Wink wink, nudge nudge.

It'd be funny if one of the reviewers who deleted their review posted another tomorrow giving it 2/5 and saying 'After I actually read it I discovered it's just lame.'


Man, I can't understand this modern slang. Bläner to you too, doredg.
 

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While I have no doubt that at other times Mr. Corso is an altruistic and generous man, the only thing missing in this email was a *wink wink, nudge nudge* to make it all the more clear he wanted people to go and get vengeance.

Maybe if you don't want crappy reviews you shouldn't make crappy games with such god awful graphics. Seriously, the Gamecube version of Resident Evil 4 looks better than either Conduit game, and RE4 is 6 years old.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Playing games with review scores is one thing and certainly not to be condoned [despite how apparently common the practice is]
If it's the Escapist's stance not to condone star/score reviewing

Why do the reviews on this site have an x/5 star rating at the end (Written ones, not Yahtzee's)?
 

CardinalPiggles

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thats hilarious, pretty clever too. albeit a little childish in nature.

i do think (from what i could tell from what andy chalk mentions) that that reviewer was being a little too unfair, even dickish.
 

Andy Chalk

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Murdock's review was nasty and maybe unfair; I've never played Conduit 2 so I can't judge it based on its objective merits. "Spoiling" the ending, as far as it goes, is a bit iffy but also a very effective way to demonstrate his utter contempt for the game. As for the plug for his book at the end, that's very common; I sometimes plug my stuff here at the Escapist in other, unrelated work.

Regardless, if High Voltage had a serious problem with the review, the correct approach would be to engage the author and/or editor with whatever concerns need to be addressed. I have no problems at all with that, and I think that kind of engagement can actually be good for both game makers and the videogame media in the long run. But dirty tricks? Never, never acceptable.

I don't really believe that Corso set out to do any harm here. Hell, maybe he really did have an honest interest in the book and wanted to share it with his co-workers. Whatever happened, I don't think High Voltage has a company policy of trying to destroy reviewers who give them a rough ride, and I don't think Corso set out with any real malicious intent. But the fact is that something happened here, and even if it was just a pissed-off developer venting some steam, it shouldn't have. My hope is that even though this particular incident may have been more-or-less harmless shenanigans, giving it coverage and sparking some conversation about it will help prevent it happening again in the future.

Baneat said:
If it's the Escapist's stance not to condone star/score reviewing why do the reviews on this site have an x/5 star rating at the end (Written ones, not Yahtzee's)?
I said "playing games with the review scores," by which I mean pressuring sites to inflate scores, having employees post glowing reviews on Metacritic, that sort of thing. I detest numerical scores but accept that we're stuck with them because nobody wants to bother actually reading and thinking anymore, but I have no patience at all for gaming them to squeeze a few extra percentage points here and there.
 

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Hooray for review bombing! It's a popular and easy enough way for someone to retaliate in the best of petty ways. Plus, it makes a good read to hear about. The only losers are people who see a bunch of negative reviews and take them as reasons for the product to be rubbish, without reading the intent behind the reviews.
 

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"Sure, it's a tad unprofessional but if you knew Matt personally as I do, you would know it was nothing more than a tongue-in-cheek jibe at most," Nosfinger said. "And for that, I apologize on behalf of High Voltage Software."
A tad unprofessional... Talk about understatement of the year. Mr. Nosfinger should let his brain catch up with his mouth, because:

1. As good a guy as Matt Corso is, we don't, in fact, know him personally as he does.
2. Threatening someone's earning prospects (however small they might affect him) via misinforming potential customers is not what you would call "a tongue-in-cheek jibe".

Yes, overreacting a bit, but think about it: If this trends, what's stopping bigger companies/ publishers (with their hundreds of employees and resources) from effectively coercing reviewers with multiple revenue streams (e.g. books, games, music or whatnot) from giving fair reviews?

[sub]A bit extreme, I know, but meh. The state of the industry makes you think of worst-case scenarios quite easily.[/sub]
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Baneat said:
If it's the Escapist's stance not to condone star/score reviewing why do the reviews on this site have an x/5 star rating at the end (Written ones, not Yahtzee's)?
I said "playing games with the review scores," by which I mean pressuring sites to inflate scores, having employees post glowing reviews on Metacritic, that sort of thing. I detest numerical scores but accept that we're stuck with them because nobody wants to bother actually reading and thinking anymore, but I have no patience at all for gaming them to squeeze a few extra percentage points here and there.
I've no idea how that would pertain to the statement I quoted originally, but, if that's what you meant, then fair enough.
 

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IMO, it wasn't really saying "Give it a good review" but more or less saying "Please give it a review." I'm sure he hopes they like it and that they give it a positive review, but it doesn't say that once in it and I would kind of like to think that he just wants his staff to look at it and maybe write a review for it to give it some activity on amazon.
 

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The PR surrounding this game has been atrocious. From SEGA building up the hype, to High Voltage "apologizing" that the game is so good, to poor reactions to critical reviews, just everything surrounding this game and its community stinks. It's really all quite backwards.
 

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I think High Voltage did what they could with a dead platform unsuited to the genre. That is just my opinion. I don't condone bombing someones book for giving you a bad rap as it seems rather vindictive, but hey, nothing really says that just because someone reviewed your product you can't review theirs. I'd just hope they gave it a fair review, if they hated it, they hated it, it doesn't have to be personal slander. Then again, how many reviews are fair, I know plenty of fans (or upset fans) are happy to give something a five or one star rating rarely ever ranking something they care about personally in the middle. Point in case = Every metacritic user score ever.
 

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So, I guess that sending letters to review sites saying that the game was going to be "too awesome" didn't really work, then.
 

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Azaraxzealot said:
has anyone noticed the recent upswing in developers getting mad about reviews? it seems to be taking over the industry these days. the gamers and the ones making the games are starting to form a rift...

hey, JUST LIKE THE MOVIE INDUSTRY!

looks like gaming IS going the way of movies after all! with critics that hate their products more and more and are getting less tolerant
There is a massive feeling of entitlement within the games industry. Remember these are the same people who feel that second hand sales are the same as piracy or that if their game didn't sell a million copies it's because the buying public are either stupid or pirates. Nothing is ever their fault.
 

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xXDeMoNiCXx said:
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Hey, not his fault that Conduit 2 sucked! Are they really so butthurt about a number that they have to make his numbers look infinitely worse? Why not put out quality games instead of trying to over-compensate for something? Sorry your TMI sucks ass, High Voltage (Cookie for the reference!), but there IS such a thing called admittance. At least admit that you made a sub-par FPS game and all will be forgiven.
I love how you're so quick to bash High Voltage when I don't see you doing any better than they did. You're no better than either of them if you're just gonna talk smack. Your opinion doesn't equal truth.
THIS IS A FORUM OPINION DOESNT HAVE TO EQUAL TRUTH THATS WHY ITS AN OPINION THATS ON A FORUM.My opinion does equal truth however because i am a caps lock warrior. also whats with bashing someone for talking smack? thats a ridiculous mind set to have and if we all had it progress would never be made
 

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thedeathscythe said:
IMO, it wasn't really saying "Give it a good review" but more or less saying "Please give it a review." I'm sure he hopes they like it and that they give it a positive review, but it doesn't say that once in it and I would kind of like to think that he just wants his staff to look at it and maybe write a review for it to give it some activity on amazon.
More like "As you know, this guy abolutely bombed us with a review, he wrote this, so let's go give *him* a "review" *wink wink*"