Confusing the Child's Gender?
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Good shit, what's the obsession with the kid's name? What, a NAME has to be totally normal and conventional now? I know two people with the name Storm, and no one, quite frankly, gives a fuck. Why do you? Have fun in your grey bland world where everything is exactly the same as everything else, Sir Monotony.
Now as for the rest of this thing, yeah, I think the parents are going a little off the deep end. Not in the sense that they want their kid to grow up free to choose their own path, I couldn't agree more with that. I think it's absolutely disgusting that biological sex gets translated into social gender (or even that social gender roles exist at all), but ignoring them isn't going to solve anything. Instead we should be fighting them tooth and nail, ostracizing anyone who tries to deny another of their free will to choose their own way, and eventually we'll get over it.
Now as for the rest of this thing, yeah, I think the parents are going a little off the deep end. Not in the sense that they want their kid to grow up free to choose their own path, I couldn't agree more with that. I think it's absolutely disgusting that biological sex gets translated into social gender (or even that social gender roles exist at all), but ignoring them isn't going to solve anything. Instead we should be fighting them tooth and nail, ostracizing anyone who tries to deny another of their free will to choose their own way, and eventually we'll get over it.
All of this could be sort of abolished if we just stopped trying to fit everyone into a specific gender role. In my opinion, if each gender was viewed somewhat the same one wouldn't be confused as to which 'gender' they are but just who they are in general.
This doesn't quite speak to the physical aspect but, I don't put much focus on my body when it comes to my personality. I don't think they affect each other that much.
This doesn't quite speak to the physical aspect but, I don't put much focus on my body when it comes to my personality. I don't think they affect each other that much.
Perhaps, but let's take a look at a family of ravenous, hungry, murdering cannibals. This is an extreme example, but I'd say teaching your kids to be a ravenous, hungry, murdering cannibal isn't quite...right.blipblop said:
That being said, I, too, despise hippies...
...Though I love some of their music. *Looks at username*
Letting other children pick whether they want to wear boys or girls clothes? Yup, that's going to get them picked on later in life. What about when they do sports at, school will they understand the difference between boys and girls and which changing room / toilets to use? I'm a guy and proud of what sets me apart girls
Women and men are biologically different. "Traditional" gender roles are derived from that for the most part. A male is a male and if wired normally will act to a large degree like other males. All this mother is doing is denying that and down the road this child will suffer.
It sounds like a good concept, but the way these parents are going about it isn't good. this will leave the child unprepared for the real world.
I don't think that letting the child know what gender they are will hurt the child, because just because the child is certain gender doesn't mean they will feel that way as they grow older.
EX: If the child is a boy, but grows up and feel like they are a girl, while that will have it's problems, at least they will know what they feel like, rather than stumble around and not be sure about whether they feel like a boy or a girl. If they feel like a boy and wanna grow up to be a boy, then no harm.
sorry if my point isn't clear
I don't think that letting the child know what gender they are will hurt the child, because just because the child is certain gender doesn't mean they will feel that way as they grow older.
EX: If the child is a boy, but grows up and feel like they are a girl, while that will have it's problems, at least they will know what they feel like, rather than stumble around and not be sure about whether they feel like a boy or a girl. If they feel like a boy and wanna grow up to be a boy, then no harm.
sorry if my point isn't clear
How does naming your child after a Transformer help to obscure gender?
If this child's psyche and sense of identity is a blank slate, ready to be imprinted with the first strong role it associates with, then a couple of viewings of Transformers: The Movie and the animated series, will have Jazz talking like Scatman Crothers, which, with all things considered, may not be the worst outcome to this experiment.
If this child's psyche and sense of identity is a blank slate, ready to be imprinted with the first strong role it associates with, then a couple of viewings of Transformers: The Movie and the animated series, will have Jazz talking like Scatman Crothers, which, with all things considered, may not be the worst outcome to this experiment.
This is pretty rough. Fair enough that gender stereotypes are bad, but you do not make your kid the bloody vanguard. Wouldn't it be better to teach them about gender roles, and how they are not innate to one's sex, and then, when they are old enough, let them decide how to define their gender? Sure, this will mean that the child is placed into a box, but until society does away with such boxes, they are quite useful in raising a child that is comfortable with the society that currently exists.
Thats not quite the same thing.LogicNProportion said:
I do understand it´s not the social norm to raise your family to think everyone is genderfree.
But on the other hand its a social norm to raise kids to become soliders thiefs and rapist in som parts of the world.
I dont think this will fuck the kid up or anything it might not even do anything. we have a kindergarten in my hometown thats have a gender neutral policy. they never say he or she the say som other stupid thing.
I cant say if this is good or bad for the kids, it probably wont make any big changes to for equality for the females in our society.
but it´s a small step.
btw I´m a man and I despise hippies to
Why is everyone calling these people hippies?
In fact, why do people hate hippies so much? Hippies were the people that brought women and blacks their rights, and are working for gays and beating out the kinks now.
Admittedly, hippies are also the people encouraging the peddeling of bullshit like CRYSTAL THERAPY, but every group has its idiots.
I don't get the hippy hate.
Anyway, on the topic themselves, what I'd say has just been said a million times in this thread. (They mean well but are gong about it the wrong way.) So instead I'll leave my comment about hippies, and also add that there's a reason stereotypes exist. Humans need to be part of a tribe, we need to feel included, and with the world become as expansive as it is, we instead look to people who enjoy the same things, have the same afflictions, or have the same thoughts as "tribe members," as opposed to our little community as a whole. We apply a name to that tribe - a stereotype - and then we tend to adopt characteristics of it once we fit into that tribe. We need those stereotypes as a support structure, because once we can see how we AREN'T that stereotype, we can figure out who we are.
Kapeesh?
In fact, why do people hate hippies so much? Hippies were the people that brought women and blacks their rights, and are working for gays and beating out the kinks now.
Admittedly, hippies are also the people encouraging the peddeling of bullshit like CRYSTAL THERAPY, but every group has its idiots.
I don't get the hippy hate.
Anyway, on the topic themselves, what I'd say has just been said a million times in this thread. (They mean well but are gong about it the wrong way.) So instead I'll leave my comment about hippies, and also add that there's a reason stereotypes exist. Humans need to be part of a tribe, we need to feel included, and with the world become as expansive as it is, we instead look to people who enjoy the same things, have the same afflictions, or have the same thoughts as "tribe members," as opposed to our little community as a whole. We apply a name to that tribe - a stereotype - and then we tend to adopt characteristics of it once we fit into that tribe. We need those stereotypes as a support structure, because once we can see how we AREN'T that stereotype, we can figure out who we are.
Kapeesh?
Telling the kid s/he can be whatever they want is fine; but I dont think saying, "you can be whatever sex you want." is the best idea...
Unless im miss reading the article... which I might be...
Unless im miss reading the article... which I might be...
Meh, there are wose things a parent could do to screw up their child.Oathy said:
...and there's always therapy.
Also, the child's name reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U
edit: reading this again, I seem a little bit dismissive of the complains around this. I'm not. I understand that people are freaking out because here is yet another example of a person shoving their views onto their child. But. But ther are worse things a parent could do than keep the baby's sex secret. The children in this article seem, to me, to be happy, healthy, loved and protected. So long as they stay that way, and so long as their parents keep an open dialog with them, I really can't bring myself to care.
Amazes me how many people are wholly against this. I support it fully. Why?
As a child, I was given dolls frequently. I hated dolls. I hated dresses. I was forced to interact with them, and it made me miserable. Eventually my parents took the hint and just let me play with whatever I wanted to play with, but the fact of the matter is this: I didn't want to be assigned to being a girly girl. I wanted to be a tomboy. Even to this day I more commonly associate my gender with male, and I'm offended by the girly shit that is supposed to appeal to me just because I don't have a penis.
Letting the child choose means no more of that bullshit. Is their life going to be harder? Maybe. For me, my childhood was hard because my parents didn't accept who I was inside. So society accepting me for conforming to the girly role as a child didn't necessarily make it better; it just re-enforced that something was wrong with me.
Even reading the article shows that it's not like the child will be utterly ignorant of their gender. Their five year old knows he's a boy, but he wears dresses. I think it'd be a pretty awesome world where everyone just embraced their inner self without having to suppress and stamp it out.
Why is it so hard to accept that "male" and "female" should only be assigned to genitalia? Last I checked, my vagina wasn't the sole deciding factor in what I like to wear, what my favorite color is, or what I find fun.
As a child, I was given dolls frequently. I hated dolls. I hated dresses. I was forced to interact with them, and it made me miserable. Eventually my parents took the hint and just let me play with whatever I wanted to play with, but the fact of the matter is this: I didn't want to be assigned to being a girly girl. I wanted to be a tomboy. Even to this day I more commonly associate my gender with male, and I'm offended by the girly shit that is supposed to appeal to me just because I don't have a penis.
Letting the child choose means no more of that bullshit. Is their life going to be harder? Maybe. For me, my childhood was hard because my parents didn't accept who I was inside. So society accepting me for conforming to the girly role as a child didn't necessarily make it better; it just re-enforced that something was wrong with me.
Even reading the article shows that it's not like the child will be utterly ignorant of their gender. Their five year old knows he's a boy, but he wears dresses. I think it'd be a pretty awesome world where everyone just embraced their inner self without having to suppress and stamp it out.
Why is it so hard to accept that "male" and "female" should only be assigned to genitalia? Last I checked, my vagina wasn't the sole deciding factor in what I like to wear, what my favorite color is, or what I find fun.
What on Earth are you talking about? They arn't going to give the kid a sex change and I hope to god you arn't so interlectually stunted as to believe that wearing pink would magically boost your estrogen levels.HerbertTheHamster said:
So again: Wat?