Heh, I misunderstood the title. I thought he was saying consoles were a dead-end idea rather than that they'll still be going strong.
Consoles Aren't Going Anywhere, Says GameStop
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At first I was like, HELL'S BELLS, GAMESTOP ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING TRUTHFUL, REALISTIC, AND APPEALING TO MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS.
Then I read the article.
...Oh.
Then I read the article.
...Oh.
On one hand, they're kinda right. The cloud is going to be some time away, and most of the reasons why have nothing with the game industry itself, unfortunately. As long as there are large areas without a constant internet connection, as long as ISPs continue to try and screw over everyone but the highest-paying customers, as long as one jackass hacking something can disable an entire service, gaming or otherwise, "The Cloud" is still just a nice little idea we'll be striving towards, or a service that'll be reserved for those who live in an area and have the money to keep up a consistently fast internet connection.
On another hand, just because gaming goes to the cloud doesn't necessarily mean that consoles have to go away. The arrival of the cloud will not mean the instant death of the console. It'll mean a radical departure from the current model of the console, but not the complete destruction.
On another hand, just because gaming goes to the cloud doesn't necessarily mean that consoles have to go away. The arrival of the cloud will not mean the instant death of the console. It'll mean a radical departure from the current model of the console, but not the complete destruction.
I don't think consoles are about to die just yet they still make a lot of money as do the games for them.
PC gaming contrary to what seems to be popular (ignorant people who dont game on PC) belief it still going strong.
Once more studios can't afford to make games because the graphics alone consume the budget then we'll know what part of gaming will die.
PC gaming contrary to what seems to be popular (ignorant people who dont game on PC) belief it still going strong.
Once more studios can't afford to make games because the graphics alone consume the budget then we'll know what part of gaming will die.
Cloud gaming isn't going to surpass anything. Compete, but not enough to throw over.
First off, Cloud gaming is weak. It can't stream at high fidelity, it has to be weaker from a technical standpoint to work. It doesn't bode well with people who have un-reliable internet connection at best - the vast majority of college students, army personelle, and people who live in shitty areas.
Not to mention that it only appeals to people with weak PC's. Why buy a powerful gaming machine if you aren't going to capitalize on its superior power? Other than cost, streaming a game has no real benefit. And even the cost in some cases is counter-balanced by people who run fiber optics internet, because the more internet you use, the higher a spike in energy cosumption - energy isn't cheap.
There will always be people who prefer hard copies of a game - I'm not going to stream a game if I have the hardware to run it properly because it will be a far superior product. Doesn't matter if its my PC or my consoles. The only thing streaming will do is offer competition to the major distributors, and probably result in game prices falling by $5-$10. Thats it.
If I pay for a game, I expect the right to play it whenever the hell I please. That includes months where I can't quite get the internet payed off because I like eating and paying my mortgage. That includes days where internet is knocked out because a hurricane blew a tree on one of the lines. This includes time that Im traveling, times Im not at my house and the internet connection sucks, etc, etc. And so do alot of other people.
First off, Cloud gaming is weak. It can't stream at high fidelity, it has to be weaker from a technical standpoint to work. It doesn't bode well with people who have un-reliable internet connection at best - the vast majority of college students, army personelle, and people who live in shitty areas.
Not to mention that it only appeals to people with weak PC's. Why buy a powerful gaming machine if you aren't going to capitalize on its superior power? Other than cost, streaming a game has no real benefit. And even the cost in some cases is counter-balanced by people who run fiber optics internet, because the more internet you use, the higher a spike in energy cosumption - energy isn't cheap.
There will always be people who prefer hard copies of a game - I'm not going to stream a game if I have the hardware to run it properly because it will be a far superior product. Doesn't matter if its my PC or my consoles. The only thing streaming will do is offer competition to the major distributors, and probably result in game prices falling by $5-$10. Thats it.
If I pay for a game, I expect the right to play it whenever the hell I please. That includes months where I can't quite get the internet payed off because I like eating and paying my mortgage. That includes days where internet is knocked out because a hurricane blew a tree on one of the lines. This includes time that Im traveling, times Im not at my house and the internet connection sucks, etc, etc. And so do alot of other people.
Especially since you don't own the game and have to keep paying to have access to it.Waaghpowa said:
um... Consoles VS PC VS Cloud... here is my take...
*Collector, I buy to keep, to record my gaming experiences... so "cloud" is out the window...
*If it's a fighting game, Console...
*any games that requires aiming, and complex movement, and dodging, multi-control schemes, like FPS, with driving mechanics, strategy interfaces, mini games...PC.. unless my PC craps... soon it won't be...
*PC gaming is coming back... seeing all nice titles coming out for PC, so many shooters, so many Action RPGs, console (PS3 in my case) will be left for RPGs, scrolls, and fighting games like they were 10 years ago soon!~ and I hope the industry can stop making good shooters for pad gaming ONLY (nono, don't give me wrong, many console playses can't get good PCs, they would buy for console... but when it comes to choice, when you CAN afford a decent "run-able" PC, I'd choose mouse-aim and key-binding over "good graphic, but move/aim like retard" let us PC players have some action!~), GoW (yes, I am talking about 2,3... How come you release GoW1, but not the next 2? is it because Microsoft pay you to do this? they stupid then, because Windows is still their product! why shut off your own market?) is meant for PC! do it, so we can actually enjoy our games! so we don't have to aim/move/turn like retard....
So... as far as "cloud" gaming goes... it's only cool to have "Cloud" in FF7... not as a Source for other games...
*Collector, I buy to keep, to record my gaming experiences... so "cloud" is out the window...
*If it's a fighting game, Console...
*any games that requires aiming, and complex movement, and dodging, multi-control schemes, like FPS, with driving mechanics, strategy interfaces, mini games...PC.. unless my PC craps... soon it won't be...
*PC gaming is coming back... seeing all nice titles coming out for PC, so many shooters, so many Action RPGs, console (PS3 in my case) will be left for RPGs, scrolls, and fighting games like they were 10 years ago soon!~ and I hope the industry can stop making good shooters for pad gaming ONLY (nono, don't give me wrong, many console playses can't get good PCs, they would buy for console... but when it comes to choice, when you CAN afford a decent "run-able" PC, I'd choose mouse-aim and key-binding over "good graphic, but move/aim like retard" let us PC players have some action!~), GoW (yes, I am talking about 2,3... How come you release GoW1, but not the next 2? is it because Microsoft pay you to do this? they stupid then, because Windows is still their product! why shut off your own market?) is meant for PC! do it, so we can actually enjoy our games! so we don't have to aim/move/turn like retard....
So... as far as "cloud" gaming goes... it's only cool to have "Cloud" in FF7... not as a Source for other games...
Mind explaining how this is so? Never heard of this connection.Ultratwinkie said:
Also, I have Steam, I have 2 next Gen systems and my room mate has the other one. I have a pretty decent PC now as well. I play games, on what? I do not care, if it is a game that interest me I will buy it. Thing is, before I found out games were buy-able used I went to Ebay and bought them used there. I RARELY buy new games and still won't since they cost so bloody much now and I have other priorities. I buy books new at times, still go to library sales or garage sales to get them.
I do not LOVE Gamestop but I do not hate them either, I still don't understand why so many people complain about them...yet still go to them. If you don't like them and don't go to them....why complain? Why not...you know, shut up and find something to enjoy instead of making yourselves seem like stupid gits complaining about something that may not change.
I do agree DLC's make the systems playability last longer though I think PC's main reason for being a higher sales department is that almost EVERYONE has one and findings games online for free is so common now why buy used when its free right?
Exactly, as much as people want to say that you don't own your games on Steam, you actually download it. The game exists as accessible, manipulated data. With the cloud service, I feel like I'm paying for access to the one and only copy of the game on their server. Mind you I don't actually believe that they use 1 copy of 1 game between thousands of users, but that's how it feels, especially when you consider how laggy the damn thing is.TokenRupee said:
I can't see consoles dying overnight - but everything on PC is getting so much cheaper that it is becoming more feasible for someone to purchase a console priced PC and have it play the new releases.
This will only get better as technology increases.
I am super excited for the next stages of the computer what with Euclideon and IBM's Racetrack. Exciting times.
This will only get better as technology increases.
I am super excited for the next stages of the computer what with Euclideon and IBM's Racetrack. Exciting times.
For this to fully stop it must become illegal for people to lend games or sell them used. Shutting down a company will NOT stop this since there are many other ways to sell them, lets be logical. Ebay, Amazon, Garage sales, neighbors, friends, and other forms are ways to sell used games. Following the logic that these companies make so much money but saw a fall in profit (still making profit but not enough in their eyes) is the reason for DRM. The biggest and simplest solution to solve this issue? Destroy the internet. Books, movies, music, games, ideas and more will not be easy to travel and once again we will have to start buying things...but that itself is another completely illogical fix.Ultratwinkie said:
EDIT: To simplify the 'shut internet over company' post I made (dumb idea) I know MANY people who go to gamestop, see the used price then go on Ebay/Amazon looking for a cheaper price. Some even go as far as offering a friend/neighbor who is bored of the game 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the game in cash for it meaning they are paying less and the seller made more than trading in and faster money than internet buying. There always have been loopholes and ways for the developers to lose money, DRM being blamed on used games is a simple yet piss poor excuse by anyone. Who is to blame? 72% of the population, simple.
I really don't think cloud gaming is going to become big for a long time because of the lack of penetration of high speed broadband. My own is still 1.5mb and I can't raise that at all. Many people don't even have fixed line internet access. The internet is also somewhat unreliable for me and a lot of others I know. When my internet goes down, I don't want to be blocked off from almost everything (if the likes of music and movies go the way of the cloud).