Content Creators, Entitlement, and Patience (or lack thereof)

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Smolderin

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Yo, thanks for mentioning VGHS. I had no idea what it was until you mentioned it and now I am on the second episode. Ah, I love discovering new things.
 

Zeke17

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Bhaalspawn said:
I had this problem when I was doing my Youtube show, people e-mailling and commenting shit like "WHEN'S THE NEW RVI!"

It all but vanished after I took a more Iron Fisted approach to my show, telling people that videos would be posted when I feel like posting them, disabling mobile support and the like/dislike, banning video responses, and moderating the comments of nearly all my videos.

Despite what some people say about that kind of dictatorial approach to web content... I have to admit, it seems to work.
Good for you, definitely ignore those people who claim your approach is "dictatorial". It's your content, you should be the one who says when and how it's viewed by other people. Is it the nature of the internet that makes people so entitled?
 

Dangit2019

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Smolderin said:
Yo, thanks for mentioning VGHS. I had no idea what it was until you mentioned it and now I am on the second episode. Ah, I love discovering new things.
Cool. Now you can probably recognize the guy in my avatar as well.

Just make sure not to BrianD on this opportunity (if you don't get it, keep watching).
 

Entitled

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Whatever. How can I trust your opinion when you're Entitled yourself! (c wut i did thar)
Actually, that's part of what my username refers to: the acknowledgement, that indeed I AM entitled to certain things. See alfinchkid's post above: If even a "free content" causes me displeasure, I am entitled to express this. On another subject, if I feel that I morally entitled to more than what I legally get, then I'm entitled to struggle for more rights to me. If I feel that things could be better in any sense, I am entitled to hope for that, to push for that, to vote for that, to ask for that, and to demand that, depending on what tone is appropriate at the context.

You can call me whiny and arrogant only if I use the wrong tone, (e.g.: talk to a charity like to a business, or talk to a God like to a politician), but not for expressing the normal human feeling that I want more stuff.

In this particular example, I think there should be a far bigger emhasis on the problem of rudeness, such as the usage of allcaps, and the expressed hatred towards the second show, than with the core message that some people really like VGHS and can't wait to see more.

A creator has no reason to get angry at people for feeling enthusiastic and impatient about seeing more of their stuff. If you would be a writer, would you rather go to a con where your readers are like "Meh, your book was pretty decent, you might write some more if you wish, or whaterver.", or fans screaming in your face "Luv! Luv! Luv! Moar, Moar, Moar, Now! Now! Now! Pliz! Pliz! Pliz!"

Again, aside from the "incoherent screaming in your face" part, it's a pretty understandable and even flattering emotion.
 

The Funslinger

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This isn't even just on the internet/the result of the newest generation.

After Stephen King pulled the Dark Tower series into full novel form, by writing a sequel to Gunslinger, called The Drawing of the Three, then wrote the next one, Waste Lands. This is an example of what was sent to him when he took his time waiting to do the next one, and left the previous one on a cliffhanger:

Dear Mr King,
Or should I just cut to the chase and say 'Dear Asshole'?
I can't believe I paid such big bucks for a Donald Grant edition of your GUNSLINGER book The Waste Lands and this is what I got. It had the right title anyway, for it was 'a true WASTE'.
I mean the story was all right don't get me wrong, great in fact, but how could you 'tack on' an ending like that? It wasn't an ending at all but just a case of you getting tired and saying 'Oh well, what the fuck, I don't need to strain my brain to write an ending, those slobs will swallow anything.'
I was going to send it back but will keep it because at least I liked the pictures (especially Oy). But the story was a cheat.
Can you spell CHEAT Mr King? M-O-O-N, that spells CHEAT.

Sincerely yours in criticism,
John T. Spier
Lawrence, Kansas
 

Nico III

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I'm still waiting for the next episode of the Facerocker podcast.

Waiting patiently, and quietly, I might add.
 

V8 Ninja

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...Well, it's good to know that the internet is still functioning as the internet.
 

Doclector

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alfinchkid said:
Doclector said:
You're getting this shit for free, and likeliness is that the poster isn't getting anything, what does it really matter, why does it have to be serious business?

We have this wealth of free entertainment at our fingertips, and some people go around acting like they pay an arm and a leg for it. It just doesn't make much sense.
While my next point doesn't apply in this case (I love Freddie Wong very much), this is a very important point i feel I need to make, simply because other have touched on it in this topic as well (including the OP).

Things do not instantly become good just because they are free. Things do not get a free pass just because they are free. If I was offered something good for free and I don't get it, I AM entitled to complain (as long as I complain properly, again, doesn't apply to the freddiew thing) that the promiser was a liar. If I get something for free that causes damages, I AM allowed to copmlain and/or be compensated for said damages. If I go to a burger joint, they give me a free sandwich, and it's coated in dog shit, I'm not going to just shrug and say "well, I didn't pay for it...", I'm taking that to the FDA, get whoever did that fired and/or shut down.

Again, this doesn't apply in this case to these people, but PLEASE stop using bullshit arguments. There are plenty of things to point out about these jerks, saying "oh hoh, but it's free, you can't complain!" just makes you sound like an uptight asshole.
Oh, of course, things don't get a free pass for being free. A terrible free video is still a terrible video.

It's just that the rage people pour into this seems so disproportionate. This is the kind of anger you'd expect to see from people paying a literal subscription fee. Furthermore, if there was an actual fee, you'd have more right to be angry about not just the quality, but the frequency. I currently have no right to complain about Jontron's low video output, but if I was paying outside of a donation basis, on a literal subscription, with a set number of videos per month that were not met, hell yeah I'd complain. Because I'm paying for something, and getting literally nothing. The only thing that could be dodgy at the moment is if a channel actually says, as part of a campaign to get subscribers "NEW VIDEO EVERY WEEK" and that isn't met. Even then, within reason it'd be forgivable, it's simply not courteous to claim something that certainly when you can't guarantee it.

I guess on that front, you could say that within reason, it's fine, preferable even, that people complain about the quality of videos, but complaining that there isn't enough when no guarantee was made of the frequency of said videos isn't so welcome.
 

Dangit2019

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Entitled said:
Dangit2019 said:
Whatever. How can I trust your opinion when you're Entitled yourself! (c wut i did thar)
Actually, that's part of what my username refers to: the acknowledgement, that indeed I AM entitled to certain things. See alfinchkid's post above: If even a "free content" causes me displeasure, I am entitled to express this. On another subject, if I feel that I morally entitled to more than what I legally get, then I'm entitled to struggle for more rights to me. If I feel that things could be better in any sense, I am entitled to hope for that, to push for that, to vote for that, to ask for that, and to demand that, depending on what tone is appropriate at the context.

You can call me whiny and arrogant only if I use the wrong tone, (e.g.: talk to a charity like to a business, or talk to a God like to a politician), but not for expressing the normal human feeling that I want more stuff.

In this particular example, I think there should be a far bigger emhasis on the problem of rudeness, such as the usage of allcaps, and the expressed hatred towards the second show, than with the core message that some people really like VGHS and can't wait to see more.

A creator has no reason to get angry at people for feeling enthusiastic and impatient about seeing more of their stuff. If you would be a writer, would you rather go to a con where your readers are like "Meh, your book was pretty decent, you might write some more if you wish, or whaterver.", or fans screaming in your face "Luv! Luv! Luv! Moar, Moar, Moar, Now! Now! Now! Pliz! Pliz! Pliz!"

Again, aside from the "incoherent screaming in your face" part, it's a pretty understandable and even flattering emotion.
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I think you looked a bit too far into my crappy joke.
 

Entitled

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Dangit2019 said:
I think you looked a bit too far into my crappy joke.
No, I didn't, 'most everything after that first sentence is random thoughts that I planned to add to this topic anyways.
 

Cecilo

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The problem as I see it is that a lot of people who put things on youtube put it out at a time, or that people start to watch things daily at specific times. It becomes part of their daily routine, and having that routine broken is well annoying (To some people I guess). Not to say these people are justified, far from it, it is just a cause an effect, you release something at specific times, people come to expect it, when it doesn't happen they get angry. Can't really help it.
 

Lieju

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Dangit2019 said:
Lieju said:
Dangit2019 said:
when is it coming out wot day
like if you guys want a 1 minunte preview
I understand you want to make it as good as possible, but could you rush production a little bit, im not saying hurry, but mabey have to people write and the other direct the show at the same time.
I don't think those are that bad.
The first is a question about the schedule(showing poor comprehension skill more than anything), the second about how they are anticipating it a lot(I think?), and the last is a suggestion as to how they could speed up the production.
I used these because the first one showed someone who wasn't happy unless they got an exact date (again, the series just got out of writing stage), the second one wants to rally for a 1 minute preview (even though, again, THERE ISN'T EVEN ANY DAILEYS, LET ALONE EDITED FOOTAGE), and the third one asks them to rush production and have people write and direct at the same time (how? write on set?).

They aren't the rudest, but they illustrate that people just cannot comprehend actual, long-time work being put into the things they watch in minutes.
It's also that people are used to commercial standards, and if the show is very good, they can assume they have a professional schedule etc.Or since the people doing it often don't do it as their main job, they are afraid that if people don't show interest enough, they can just go to hiatus and never return. (Which happens often)

Also they are ignorant of the amount of work that goes to the production of such things. Many of my family members work or have worked in the entertainment industry for decades, and this attitude isn't a recent phenomenon.

Nor does it happen just for entertainment people, if you don't understand what doing some job includes, it's easy to only see the perks, and assume it's too easy and get jealous. I can't tell you how many times I have heard people spout non-sense about how farmers got it easy, and just throw the seeds in the ground and watch them grow...

Dangit2019 said:
and the third one asks them to rush production and have people write and direct at the same time (how? write on set?).
I assumed s/he meant that the other one could be directing, and the other one working on writing the future episode at the same time. Which at least is a suggestion that could work, it might not be a good idea and might show ignorance on their way of working, but it's constructive criticism, at least.
 

Rednog

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Meh I honestly don't blame that kind of attitude from people because that's what they've be trained to expect. Look at the most popular thing on youtube now, it's all the "Rage" Let's Plays and the creators just crank that garbage out with multiple episodes a week and in some cases multiple episodes a day. Quality stuff obviously takes longer to make but they have to compete with all the crap out there, which the masses unfortunately eat up and cry for more.
Seriously just look at crap out there like Game Grumps; they sit down, play for like 6 hours, regurgitate their memes, and bam they have like 36 episodes and people love it. And the kicker is that more and more people are just going to turn to making the easy stuff because it is a huge money maker, why spend time producing something of quality when you can churn out stuff and make a giant profit.