Convicted rapist wins his case to be moved into a womens prison.

[lwm3398]

Ok, has anyone seen Johnny English?
I sort of like the idea of great britain being turned into a giant prison, but only if the queen agrees, just drop of all the murders and rapist and people with really heinous crimes off, have a few boats in the channel to prevent them from swimming to freedom, and just leave them alone to find food and shelter for themselves.

would any of the british among us like to comment?

Dude.
Fuck.
That.
Wanna get rid of people who have committed heinous crimes? Death match. Every. Day. Death match. They can censor the blood out and put it on TV, and it would be awesome. Rome had it right. Gladiators that have to fight until death should be criminals, and it should be for everyone to see.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

How can you tell if its a case of a psychosis or a delusion. That's impossible to figure out unless you happen to be a trained psychologist.

Hey, look, I fixed your post for you and all. .

Of course, you've not looked at any of the evidence, have you? Like the studies that show that the brain activity of most transsexuals is, in fact, almost entirely the same as that of the opposite sex of their current body. Of course, you've not actually...I dunno. Bothered, to ask a transsexual what they think or feel? Asked a psychologist who deals with these people? In fact, have you made any research on the subject at all before coming on here and spouting off crap.

I'll be frank, I find you pitiful. So lacking in empathy I would be frightened for humanity, if I wasn't too busy being contemptuous.

Some evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiology_of_transsexualism

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TBX-4FXHJCM-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1001815182&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1cad771b101c2c718d7ef5ff08816359

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l20386114j163331/

EDIT: Epitome, I can think of one simple reason. Simply put, once a transsexual begins hormone treatment, there's no turning back. That kind of dosage of hormones kills all sexual activity, so, in essence, inmates could opt into that, but they'd have to accept the fact that they were either going to undergo a sex change, or at least accept the fact they'd lose all sexual functions. So, really, there is no sexual problem with this

To clarify - we should only provide these facilities for people who are undergoing hormone treatment and have been cleared by psychiatrists as being clearly a case of gender disphoria.

Excuse me, I'm tired and I think I'm having trouble structuring my argument correctly.

 

[Deleted]

How can you tell if its a case of a psychosis or a delusion. That's impossible to figure out unless you happen to be a trained psychologist.

Hey, look, I fixed your post for you and all. .

Of course, you've not looked at any of the evidence, have you? Like the studies that show that the brain activity of most transsexuals is, in fact, almost entirely the same as that of the opposite sex of their current body. Of course, you've not actually...I dunno. Bothered, to ask a transsexual what they think or feel? Asked a psychologist who deals with these people? In fact, have you made any research on the subject at all before coming on here and spouting off crap.

I'll be frank, I find you pitiful. So lacking in empathy I would be frightened for humanity, if I wasn't too busy being contemptuous.

Some evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiology_of_transsexualism

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TBX-4FXHJCM-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1001815182&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1cad771b101c2c718d7ef5ff08816359

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l20386114j163331/

Yeah I'm a pretty empathy-free guy, its just the way I was raised. I guess I'll never truly understand what its like for these people, but I'm not denying all the evidence you showed.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

How can you tell if its a case of a psychosis or a delusion. That's impossible to figure out unless you happen to be a trained psychologist.

Hey, look, I fixed your post for you and all. .

Of course, you've not looked at any of the evidence, have you? Like the studies that show that the brain activity of most transsexuals is, in fact, almost entirely the same as that of the opposite sex of their current body. Of course, you've not actually...I dunno. Bothered, to ask a transsexual what they think or feel? Asked a psychologist who deals with these people? In fact, have you made any research on the subject at all before coming on here and spouting off crap.

I'll be frank, I find you pitiful. So lacking in empathy I would be frightened for humanity, if I wasn't too busy being contemptuous.

Some evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiology_of_transsexualism

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TBX-4FXHJCM-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1001815182&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1cad771b101c2c718d7ef5ff08816359

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l20386114j163331/

Yeah I'm a pretty empathy-free guy, its just the way I was raised. I guess I'll never truly understand what its like for these people, but I'm not denying all the evidence you showed.

Empathy is a useful thing. Just because you can feel other people's pain dosen't mean you can't enjoy it.

On another note - I apologise for the rant and insults, but this is a close matter to me. A friend of mine, possibly, now, a romantic friend, is undergoing a change from a man to a woman. And by God, but it has opened my eyes.

 

[Supernova2000]

Abso-fucking-lutely not!

 

[Epitome]

EDIT: Epitome, I can think of one simple reason. Simply put, once a transsexual begins hormone treatment, there's no turning back. That kind of dosage of hormones kills all sexual activity, so, in essence, inmates could opt into that, but they'd have to accept the fact that they were either going to undergo a sex change, or at least accept the fact they'd lose all sexual functions. So, really, there is no sexual problem with this

To clarify - we should only provide these facilities for people who are undergoing hormone treatment and have been cleared by psychiatrists as being clearly a case of gender disphoria.

Excuse me, I'm tired and I think I'm having trouble structuring my argument correctly.

Hormone treatment is far from cheap, and take a long term prisoner for example, he wasnt going to be having much sex anymore anyway (least not any he wanted), isnt it still worth it to lie? and the problem with nature of the psycological is that its very hard to tell the liers from the real ones when the liers know what to say, Even if we find a foolproof way the cost to test every prisoner who claims he is the wrong sex?

 

[Pimppeter2]

So he wants to be a girl, but doesn't want to live in a room full of guys who want to snu snu him?

Sounds like a massive lie

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

Wait a minute, are you saying that the state paid for his operation?
Why? why did they even let him get the treatments? This sounds like your prison system needs an overhaul. I understand what human rights is, but if the costs of keeping a prisoner alive is pretty high for life, the system shouldn't compound on that willingly.

Like If I knew my male rabbit could have lots more rabbits with the female rabbit that he will live with and that I didn't want to pay for all the new rabbits that will come from that coupling, I'd pay to cut that rabbits nutsack off. It's my money, so I should have a voice in how it's spent.

 

[shadowstriker86]

see this is why i love George Carlins idea for what we should do with all these murderers and rapists: On monday night football during halftime we have live executions of the craziest stuff we could imagine, like for this guy, we give a pack of vicious rottweilers viagra and cocaine, cover the bastard in gravy and female pheromones and throw him in the cage with the horny crack dogs. I mean why not? they say that we shouldnt do things that are cruel and unusual, but the crime they committed is cruel, and we'll do this to criminals alot more often so its not so unusual

 

[Kriptonite]

He was a rapist correct? Death penalty, feed him to some hungry animals. Solve two problems in one.

 

[theultimateend]

I promise you a man in the baths of Japan would still be unwelcome if he came back next week as a woman, Well maybe not unwelcome but you see what I mean.

No I don't.

It just looks to me like you make a bunch of straw men in these posts.

Every time you mention a problem (such as the one quoted) it is a cultural one and not a biological one. Gender is a cultural thing, sex is not. Your problem above would show people who are unable to accept a non accepted gender state in their cultural region. In other countries you are not going to get the same response because the cultural expectations are on a nation by nation basis. Sometimes even smaller than nation by nation.

But regardless anything I say won't change your opinion and it isn't necessary that I do. I'd just suggest you take a few biological psychology courses and at least one course in the psychology of gender (may go by a different name but usually easy to find). I figure a few hundred dollars and a trained professional should be able to explain it far better than I am managing.

 

[L337CAT]

No I don't agree. I think this guy should be thrown into a meat grinder and be done with it.

 

[Epitome]

I promise you a man in the baths of Japan would still be unwelcome if he came back next week as a woman, Well maybe not unwelcome but you see what I mean.

No I don't.

It just looks to me like you make a bunch of straw men in these posts.

Every time you mention a problem (such as the one quoted) it is a cultural one and not a biological one. Gender is a cultural thing, sex is not. Your problem above would show people who are unable to accept a non accepted gender state in their cultural region. In other countries you are not going to get the same response because the cultural expectations are on a nation by nation basis. Sometimes even smaller than nation by nation.

But regardless anything I say won't change your opinion and it isn't necessary that I do. I'd just suggest you take a few biological psychology courses and at least one course in the psychology of gender (may go by a different name but usually easy to find). I figure a few hundred dollars and a trained professional should be able to explain it far better than I am managing.

For a start im against that well my views are wrong i had better get somebody whos considered to know to tell me what i think thing.

The japanese baths thing i was refering to you saying that men are generally more accepting of other men in japan but if that same man was to go trans the week he came back she would not be allowed to bath among the men. There is no culture in the world currently that i can think that completely accepts transgenders as they want to be seen. Since transgenders wil need culturl approval before they can ever become what they wish to be it is still a major barrier for them. You cant make a culture change its mind by telling them all they are wrong and you definately cant expect that culture to foot the bill because you want to be accepted?

 

[JordanMillward_1]

It's pathetic, he's still a man - just because you want to dress up as a woman and pretend you're one doesn't make you one - even if you get tit implants and have your dick chopped off. Why should rapists and killers have human rights? Am I the only one who thinks you should lose those when you're scum?

Because at the end of the day, everyone, no matter what, is entitled to their human rights. I think what he did was disgusting, but he's still human. Dehumanising him does nothing for the rest of us, none of us will learn if we think that criminals aren't human. Thinking that people who do bad things aren't human just means that there will continue to be people who do bad things, because none of us will change, because we are "human".

And where would it stop? Who isn't human next? Christians? Muslims? Jews? Homosexuals? Anyone that is vaguely different from us would no longer be human, and I'm not sure that's a world I'd want to live in.

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

Do you agree with the judges decision? Should he have been allowed to use public finances to make his case?

I agree, if he is using the drugs and going to have surgery then there is more reason to move him to a woman facility where he will be, in theory, safer. Besides... what do you think the woman in a prison like that are going to do to a rapist? While I disagree, greatly, with a lot of the 'look the other way' that goes on in prisons we all know just what will happen to the guy. Well at least one way or another he is going to be 'snipped snipped.'

As for using tax payer money, I agree fully that he should of been allowed to. To do otherwise would mean that people who couldn't afford to be represented will not be given a chance to be represented and that sets a bad precedent: That only those the rich deserve to have their cases heard in court. The rich already have a upper hand as it is when it comes to legal matters, lets not completely undermine the poor folks ability to get heard.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The judge ruled that it is infringing his human rights not to allow him the operation so he is allowed the move.

How can this be the case? Isn't it also "infringing his human rights" to keep him in prison? I mean, that's rather the point of prison, isn't it?

 

[Wulfen73]

A lot of people complain about these horrible blips in the system and yes they suck, but these blips exist from people trying to maintain the rights of the majority, if you think legal aid is wrong and you go to court, get your own lawyer, or represent yourself, if people stop using things they get removed.

 

[ffxfriek]

They should of just put him down in my opinion, they way of ol' yeller.

agreed we tend to be nice to people who dont deserve it in teh slightest and it sickens me.