Cooking Mama Spinoff is Sexist

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RamzaHyral

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Michael_McCloud said:
I love how any source of media that tries to act on stereotype, a foundation of storytelling, automatically makes it sexist or racist nowadays. I suppose that because I pantomimed a gangster in High School for a drama assignment den dat means I be hatin' like a ***** up in dis joint.

Seriously, they're widely accepted stereotypes, and more often than not they wind up playing themselves out as if to reaffirm that they still apply. They're called stereotypes for a reason. Just like a bunch of elitist teens and Civil Rights overactivists will stereotypically jump at the slightest mention of gender roles in order to sound significant and caring. It's not brainwashing the kids, and it's not changing the way the world views its people. Otherwise I would be a scientist and not a cook.

Now shut up and make me a sammich.
Oh thank god! Seriously, you get three high fives and 14 cool points for being one of the few who talks, AND has something valid to say. Hats off McCloud. Hats off
 

SultanP

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Yeah, people like the OP are the problem, not the people who make the games. You really have to be looking for stuff to complain about to find that sexist. This would all go away if overly sensitive people stopped looking for sexism in everything and the crying about it when they find something. Bravo.
 

Katherine Kerensky

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Suda51 said:
Greyfox105 said:
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Congratulations. you got the reference.
Have a cookie.


Oops, should of put the cookie somewhere safer. Oh Well, you can have the cookie monster instead.​
Exactly how fatty is the cookie monster?
well... considering he's mostly fluff and cloth...
it really depends on what he has eaten recently.
at least a single cookie.
 

durr2

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This is racist, why should humans get to be able to cook and do science I WANT COOKING PANDA
AND SCIENCE GIRAFFE
 

GonzoGamer

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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's a little chauvinistic.
The ironic thing is that most professional scientists I know are female.
 

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http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=254

I presume someone has already quoted the above.

Anyway, they use a central female character in the Cooking Mama games to appeal to girls, I guess.
And a central male character to appeal to boys.
I think from my childhood that girls are more interested in cooking than boys and boys are more interested in science than girls. However it could just be another example of bigshot marketing executives's sexist thinking.
 

Jim Grim

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canadamus_prime said:
One could argue that cooking mama is also sexist since guys can cook too; but who gives a shit.
I think it's more to do with the fact that they had to add another character rather than just putting the same character in a new situation.

Then again, what does a cook know about science?
 

teisjm

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Sexism (or racism, or most other negative stuff) can usually be found everywhere and in almost everything if you just try hard enough.

If both mama and papa white? does that mean the game dev's are racists? if it had beed white mama black papa would that mean that game devs think whites are superrior chefs whiel blacks are superrior scientists? or vica verca the other way around.

So why not give it a rest, please. Figght for equal treatment of genders/races/relegions/sexual orientations/whatever when it's appropriate, and stop trying to make everything so dramatically... Reminds me too much of PETA calling Obama a filthy fly-murderer
 

durr2

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hmmmm i think executive momma, educated momma, and doctor momma would've sucked anyway.i mean, how the heck is momma gonna teach you how to run a company, how to learn crap, or how to preform surgery (you don't need a license to cook or to teach other people how to cook) also i don't see how Doctor Daddy or whatever the hell its called is even gonna be a good game. Again it would make more sense if there was a game called Doctor panda or Cooking Giraffe.
 

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SultanP said:
Yeah, people like the OP are the problem, not the people who make the games. You really have to be looking for stuff to complain about to find that sexist. This would all go away if overly sensitive people stopped looking for sexism in everything and the crying about it when they find something. Bravo.
Women would've gotten the vote before 1920 if they had just been quiet and apathetic, right? In order for change to happen, these things need to be brought to people's attention. It's easy to not notice or care about things that fit stereotypes but that doesn't mean that being quiet will lead to change. And note that change doesn't mean quotas or being politically correct, a change in awareness itself is significant.

There's a quote by Laurel Thatcher Ulrich that goes "well-behaved women seldom make history", and that notion applies to many things, not only women's actions. Sometimes you have to shake things up in order to get something done.

This Science Papa game is a ripoff trying to piggyback on Majesco's success with Cooking Mama. But you don't have to "really be looking for" something in order to see that this is just reinforcing old stereotypes. It would be great if we could encourage girls in the sciences and math, starting by showing them positive role models, even the virtual kind. And a game featuring a female scientific figure would appeal to boys if you start early enough.
 

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Kiutu said:
Shes too busy making yummy food to drop eggs off buildings?
Couldn't she drop the eggs of buildings, then fry them and make them into yummy food?

You'd have to catch them in something at the bottom so they wouldn't get dirty, but otherwise this seems doable.
 

Synonymous

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Odd that so many on this thread feel that the worst and most damaging thing you could ever do to a cause is actually to act on its behalf. The best way to effect change, apparently, is to cower in the corner, blindly accept the status quo, and never ever say anything that makes anyone the slightest bit uncomfortable. Truly spoken like someone who had every privilege handed to them on a silver platter and never had to fight for anything in their lives ever.

(And, just like with the Fat Princess controversy, the kneejerk misogynist responses only validate your opponents' claims. Good going.)
 

SultanP

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Anarien said:
SultanP said:
Yeah, people like the OP are the problem, not the people who make the games. You really have to be looking for stuff to complain about to find that sexist. This would all go away if overly sensitive people stopped looking for sexism in everything and the crying about it when they find something. Bravo.
Women would've gotten the vote before 1920 if they had just been quiet and apathetic, right? In order for change to happen, these things need to be brought to people's attention. It's easy to not notice or care about things that fit stereotypes but that doesn't mean that being quiet will lead to change. And note that change doesn't mean quotas or being politically correct, a change in awareness itself is significant.

There's a quote by Laurel Thatcher Ulrich that goes "well-behaved women seldom make history", and that notion applies to many things, not only women's actions. Sometimes you have to shake things up in order to get something done.

This Science Papa game is a ripoff trying to piggyback on Majesco's success with Cooking Mama. But you don't have to "really be looking for" something in order to see that this is just reinforcing old stereotypes. It would be great if we could encourage girls in the sciences and math, starting by showing them positive role models, even the virtual kind. And a game featuring a female scientific figure would appeal to boys if you start early enough.
You've got a good point, you really do. But I'm just extremely tired of hearing people cry sexism all the time. See, there are male scientists, and making a game about one isn't a crime. I'm so tired of whatever anyone does being the wrong thing. People shouldn't be forced to make a game about a female latino scientists just so people won't complain. If they had made it Science Mama, then people would have gone "Racism, not only white people can be scientists you know.". Maybe they felt that the character should be a man, maybe they flipped a coin to determine the gender, and maybe it shouldn't matter so much.
 

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Its sexist because men are stuck doing the boring work. Men should be protesting this game.