Cop Tasers Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state

[rekabdarb]

As a criminal justice major and having watched many MANY videos like the one you posted OP you have to take many things into consideration.

Could she be on drugs? When on most uppers you don't feel pain.
Had the officer warned her before the actual tasing? Many don't just pull out their weapon and shoot.
Since she was already handcuffed and started running away, could she be running the police officer into a trap that she couldn't get to while not handcuffed? People do like to make traps.

Ultimately if you are just gonna ***** about the police, who have a VERY tough job, then why not become an officer and do the things they have to.

And to do a captcha thing, which i found to be quite ironic, it says "Was onmeth"

 

[Something Amyss]

So, he tazed her, which dropped her to the ground

But he SHOULD have tackled her to the ground adding his own (Superior) momentum and his own (greater) weight to her fall DRIVING her into the ground and causing even more injuries?

If the guy's not capable of taking someone down without hurting them, he REALLY shouldn't be a cop.

Especially a 100 pound girl in handcuffs with her back to him.

 

[Scars Unseen]

Well I guess this isn't technically a Darwin since her reproductive organs remain intact, but this is surely a case of "stupid person does stupid thing and discovers consequences." Sucks for her and I wouldn't wish that fate upon anyone, but she took her fate into her own hands there.

 

[spartan231490]

I can't really feel too bad for her. It takes a special kind of stupid to run from the police AFTER you're already handcuffed. And it really isn't their job to run you down if you run. If I had the tool to stop you from running right now, rather than continuing to chase you for however long, I'd do it too.

This exactly. Glad to see such a sensible answer so soon.

 

[Scars Unseen]

So, he tazed her, which dropped her to the ground

But he SHOULD have tackled her to the ground adding his own (Superior) momentum and his own (greater) weight to her fall DRIVING her into the ground and causing even more injuries?

If the guy's not capable of taking someone down without hurting them, he REALLY shouldn't be a cop.

Especially a 100 pound girl in handcuffs with her back to him.

Do you know a 100% safe way to stop a fleeing person that is 1/2 your size? One way or another she was hitting pavement in this situation. Concrete and asphalt are notoriously unforgiving substances.

 

[rekabdarb]

Since she was already handcuffed and started running away, could she be running the police officer into a trap that she couldn't get to while not handcuffed? People do like to make traps.

How exactly would she have a trap set up outside the police station?

I ono.

We don't know all the facts about this person! Your making (me thinks, considering your quoting a page 5 post) an assumption about something without seeing everything.

Since she was about to be taken to the County Jail, i think she would of had her phone call since she had to be in holding before hand.

Could of called someone.

Or couldn't of, again i don't know all the facts. All i know is a very very biased article written about the scene. And i would like to consider that article as biased; to quote the opening WAY too many cops are a bunch of fuckin? pansy fags, or straight dipshits

 

[Fleischer]

Let me ask you, what would you have had him done? Tackle her? Forget that he's fat for a second. A fully grown man of normal size tackling a 100 pound girl at full speed would cause the same degree of injury, if not more so.

Negative. Tackling someone entails that you gain partial control of their motion, allowing you to steer where they will fall/land. Tasing someone means that will probably lose control of their body, leaving them to free fall. The fact that she was tased meant she was completely unable to use her arms to brace her fall, leading to the traumatic brain injury she suffered.

The fact is, this cop was only doing his job, and his actions fell well within established protocol.

actually, that's not the fact.

the established protocol for his dept clearly states not to tase someone in handcuffs and not to tase someone that's fleeing.

Do you have a source on that? If that's the case, then I apologize and take it back, but I still think his actions were warranted and that he shouldn't be punished.

I will provide a quote from the Florida Highway Partol

It also notes that Tasers shouldn't be used on someone who is handcuffed, but says there still could be times when even that is justifiable.

- my source [http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/experts-say-troopers-use-of-taser-on-woman-raises-questions/1215998]

Upon the issue of "justification," Lorie Frindell, an associate criminology professor, noted that officers should consider the severity of the offense, the suspect's threat level and the risk of serious injury to the suspect, as well as the fact a suspect is fleeing.

I'm amazed I haven't seen other people note that Officer Cole handcuffed the women with her arms in the front. Huge fail there.

My take on the situation, for those caring to listen, is that Danielle Maudsley wasn't the brightest bulb out there before her traumatic head injury*; however, I'd expect a huge civil case being brought against the Florida Highway Patrol. If I was a lawyer, I'd be salivating over the prospects of representing the Maudsley's as they sue for millions of dollars in damages.

* - I checked out her Facebook [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpeople%2FDanielle-Maudsley%2F100001638773190&ei=il5AT5XYHcbe0QHnqPmnBw&usg=AFQjCNGt78Stsl6_crapw1k3y6PddudBxw], to get some idea of what kind of person she is.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

How could he be cleared of all wrongdoings when he used a weapon on a cuffed person, whom he should just have run after?

Yes, he is an obese slob unfit for police duty, who should be sacked for being too fat, and he could never catch anyone running away from him because he chooses to overeat heavily, and if he hadn't used the weapon, she would have escaped, but that doesn't excuse the excessive use of weapons. If he chooses to be obese and can't catch someone, and the police allow that kind of disfunctional police officers to work, the consequence should be people getting away, and not people getting shot or tased because the police is too fat to run after them.

Normally for such a fall I'd say it is an unfortunate but unintentional consequence that shouldn't be met with punishment, but in this case the fattie knew she couldn't catch herself, and still made the decision to do that to her, thus the brain injury becomes his direct fault.

He got away unpunished with manslaughter here.

No real sympathy, a bunch of priors and coke/oxycontin in her system and running from the cops.
Comply with the damn cops and don't complain that you get hurt when you resist arrest.

So let me get this straight: You say that if somebody takes a step, that legitimises murdering them?

It is in the report the the girl was fucked-up on coke and had committed hit and run twice she murdered two people by that logic. I think she did something a bit worse. Though I may be wrong.

 

[deathninja]

So, LEO goes for less-lethal option, gets pilloried for it?

Even if you take a riot cop in his/her prime, a one on one subjugation doesn't end in hugs and puppies. Tasers have risks, but far less than a 9mm hole in your skull, I'd call it a reasonable call on a fleeing suspect.

Not that I would have liked her to faceplannt and all, but that's always a risk.

"The taser was fine because the cop didn't shoot her."

This is full stop the dumbest thing getting repeated in this thread. Not only does it imply that what was done here was justified according to police code of conduct, the law or common sense but also that it was fine because its a step up from the worst possible response to this?

Again, the cop tasered a suspect and this is ok because he didn't kill her instead. Just...wow...are some of you aware that suspects are innocent until proven guilty? Or does this fantasy martial police state some of you occupy not work that way? Judge Dread would be proud of due process like that.

Police are trained to respond to situations with as little violence as possible. Pulling a taser on a cuffed fleeing suspect is a very big breach of his code of conduct. It was flat out the wrong thing to do. The first thing hammered into your head when taught about sidearms is when it is never ok to use them.

The proper response should have been to physically subdue the suspect. That is how they are trained, those are the rules. He broke them, end of story.

And 200+ pounds tackling a 130lb woman is going to leave her just fine? Either way the perp gets hurt, no-one can predict the exact outcome.

FYI...once I got smashed in the face by a cop, for defending another cop. Things get real heated, real fast in the real world, yes it's sometimes over the top, but try and see yourself in their shoes for a wile, it's not pretty.

(I better clarify at this point my dad was in the 'Met, I grew up with that background and ended up at a Uni in a f*cking rough area, YMMV.)

 

[orangeban]

So, he tazed her, which dropped her to the ground

But he SHOULD have tackled her to the ground adding his own (Superior) momentum and his own (greater) weight to her fall DRIVING her into the ground and causing even more injuries?

If the guy's not capable of taking someone down without hurting them, he REALLY shouldn't be a cop.

Especially a 100 pound girl in handcuffs with her back to him.

Do you know a 100% safe way to stop a fleeing person that is 1/2 your size? One way or another she was hitting pavement in this situation. Concrete and asphalt are notoriously unforgiving substances.

Uh, forgive me if I seem naive, but are you really saying the cop only had to options, taze or dump tackle?

I mean, she was an awful lot smaller than him, couldn't he of just grabbed her? Just reached out, grabbed her arm, restrained her body and put her in the police car?

Or heck, if he couldn't do that, couldn't he of just tailed her and radioded for back-up, so that they could corner her and take her into custody? I'm pretty sure that's what they'd do in Britain (if they couldn't catch her), since regular cops don't have tasers here.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Usually I side with the cops because more often than not they do right, but in this case this guy is just fucking stupid. A girl who is maybe half his size and literally zero threat runs, and fucking tazes her rather than just grabbing her. Good fucking move.

 

[Deathmageddon]

He got away unpunished with manslaughter here.

No real sympathy, a bunch of priors and coke/oxycontin in her system and running from the cops.
Comply with the damn cops and don't complain that you get hurt when you resist arrest.

So let me get this straight: You say that if somebody takes a step, that legitimises murdering them?

Somebody call the hyperbole police! She WAS able to move after he tased her, and she wasn't exactly innocent- not only was she on drugs, but she had a bunch of prior arrests. The cop was fully within his rights to subdue a fleeing suspect using nonlethal weapons. Unfortunate accidents happen. The cop is not evil just because the choice SHE made to resist arrest had dire consequences. It's sad, but not entirely undeserved.

 

[cthulhumythos]

well, yeah, he should have just grabbed her... but i prooobably would've done the same thing he did.

soooooo.

yeaaaaaaah.

 

[Seneschal]

It's really quite clear, isn't it?

Hayslett said Cole violated FHP?s taser policy which states:

?Fleeing cannot be the sole reason for the deployment.?

?When you shoot someone in the back, and they?re running away, all that force ? as you saw when Danielle?s head hit the concrete ? that?s why they don?t allow you to do that, because you can have horrible tragedies like this,? Hayslett said.

You can't taser someone that's fleeing because you're putting his life in danger. It doesn't matter if she's a suspect, I wouldn't wish brain injuries on anyone, especially if some obese incompetent cop can't do his job properly.

 

[Zeema]

Girl was handcuffed for 2 Hit and Run's. Girl tries to run away from cop, gets Tasered. Girl suffers brain damage

Girl did something Wrong twice, she needs to accept the consequences of her actions. The cop could have used a different method of capture, but either way she got hurt.

When a person pokes a bear and gets mauled to death. do you blame the Bear or the Idiot who poked it?

she and her mother needs to learn what Consequences for there actions are