Costume-Specific Boob Bouncing Coming to DOA5

[Gatx]

Wait wait wait, I thought Team Ninja was trying to turn DoA AWAY from that direction after Itagaki left. Isn't that why the first footage featured two guys fighting?

 

[Eri]

I'm not gonna lie. I love tits. I have no problem with this. It's not trying to be something it's not. It's just lots of kick ass and fanservice. If some devs wanna make a game like this to cater to women or gay guys, be my guest. Just bring on the boobs.

 

[Paragon Fury]

You know... I don't get why they don't have the guts to just flat out have them go nude, or at best an option to have them nude.

Stores won't sell AO rated games.

 

[RatRace123]

I'm thinking that this article was really put out just to see how many different words for "boobs" could be fit into a single article.

An admirable attempt Mr. Funk. But I shall beat it!

Now onto the sweater-meat of the matter. Team Ninja's practically famous at this pointies for their gratuitous use of baby-feeders. It's their thingamabobs, and nobody's gonna change it now. And even if you don't approve, you have to admire the amount of effort they put into making their melon physics as accurate as humanly possible, or at least as accurate as they would be if those boobs could actually exist in this world.
And as mammary serves, the first DOA game was actually influential beyond the physics of its jumping jigglypuffs, it's just that's what caught the public's eye and that's how it started marketing itself.
Although, with today's highmounded society, it is easy to see how something like DOA could be viewed as little more than crass exploitation (much like this post), a relic of by-gone era, breast left buried in the sands of time.

And uh... that's all I got for boob puns.
In seriousness: I don't think DOA is going to be changing its strategy any time soon, however we might feel about it, it's entire identitty is based in boobs, and if it got rid of them we'd be left with just another fighting game. Even if it is probably the closest thing gaming has to an exploitation film, or possibly not given that a lot of other games out there are like that too.
The only consolation that can be given for that is to hope that maybe someday a developer will make a wang-centric fighting game, with properly fine tuned dick-jiggling physics and shlongs that are as cartoonishly huge as the boobs in DOA are. Not sure it'll happenis though, it's an lead-pipe dream at best, or is it an iron-rod dream? But, if anythingamajig it'd be a chance to level the playing field, and right the dongs that DOA hath wrought. Plus it'd just be pretty damn amusing, to play as a bunch of nearly naked guys with huge flopping dongs, beating the hell out of each other. I'd lay down 60 bucks for that.

 

[SageRuffin]

Well, at least the characters don't look like plastic dolls anymore. There's progress in that if nothing else.

 

[loc978]

The problem with obsessive sexualization of women isn't in a single game. The problem is that every damn game with a mammary somewhere in it has to be bloated to grotesque proportions. If your average shooter contained realistically proportioned gals, then DOA could do their thing and earn praise for its open, unashamed, refreshing sex appeal. Fantasies arn't bad. But with the average bosom ceasing to bear any resemblance to human biology, it ceases to be appealing. Nowadays, the hottest female characters, even before factoring in non shallow traits like personality, have comparatively tiny breasts.

Of course, you can't put the weight of the entire industry on one set of shoulders. And frankly, Team Ninja called dibs on the world of boob love long ago, and I don't want to dismiss there obvious greatest love. I want more reasonable titties sure, but Team Ninja seems like the last place to look.

Can I suggest starting with Soul Calibur? Honestly Kasumi would look better with some breast reduction surgery, sure, but she does still look very aestetically appealing. But Ivy these days is creepier then Voldo, and shes about a cup size away from being a Silent Hill monster. If games cut back a bit on the boobs then 14 year old boys will quickly not even notice the difference, and I won't vomit a little in my mouth every time a females chest looks like an exotic parasite victims picture in an obscure medical journal.

Thank you. This is pretty much where I stand on the issue... to a point. I'd also like to see more realistic movements of hair, clothing and flesh other than T&A now that we've got skeletal animations down-pat.

But then, I doubt TN is going for realistic movement even in their favorite subject. Probably just more exaggerations.

Also, I think Soul Calibur is beyond help now. They've only gotten progressively more ridiculous since Soul Edge/Blade, and it hit critical mass in SC4.

 

[RelexCryo]

Okay...Team Ninja I will not get pissed about the boobies....

IF you come out with a DOA Men with the same number of sexy male characters as there are of sexy female characters in the original DOA, clothing transparency, different costumes for each guy, and clothing specific bulge bounce, and lots of fanservice.

Then we're even.

I think the game industry as a whole should cater to women more, but, demanding each invididual franchise cater to both genders equally is a bit unreasonable. Romance Novels almost exclusively cater to women, Boy Bands are clearly designed to cater primarily to women, and so are most soap operas. And the fact that Romance Novels cater almost exclusively to women is made even worse by the fact that the vast majority of books sold in drug stores, airports, and walmarts, are romance novels- meaning it is hard to find a convenient book department in an average grocery store that sells sci-fi.

The tendency of specific franchises and even genres to cater to specific demographics- and specific genders- applies to a lot of artistic mediums. It isn't really reasonable to, for example, demand that all boy bands hire a bunch of attractive women singers to appeal to men. I do think the games industry in general should produce more for women though, and there should be more games which focus on immersion.

 

[RelexCryo]

I have a question.

This is for the ladies (not men who like men, because it's a different situation with you guys).

For the vast majority of heterosexual men, the less a woman wears, the sexier he might find her to be. A lot of heterosexual men feel this way, as which when women go 'why are women hypersexualized', men go '... there are a ton of dudes with their shirts off'.

Ok. So... how would you guys design a man to make him hypersexualized? I don't think a bouncing bulge would really do it, so what will?

It's less about hypersexualization and more about objectification. The super-sexy buxom girls fighting in heels is a male power fantasy. The shirtless ripping-muscle brawny dudes is... also a male powerfantasy. Guys want both; it's not female service as it is a different kind of male fanservice.

For female fanservice? I don't know, it depends on the lady. But rippling beefcake isn't necessarily it.

I am going to quote what I said earlier: Boy Bands are clearly designed to appeal to women, Romance novels are clearly designed to appeal to women, and so are most soap operas. The tendency of specific franchises, and entire genres, to focus on appeasing on just one demographic, is a wide spread issue. Here is my problem with what you said John: You equated designing something for men with treating women as less than human, despite the fact that many entertainment mediums are designed for women, also with a focus on sexualizing men.

Do Boy Bands objectify men? Designing something for a specific demographic- in the case of DOA, men- is not the same as objectifying the group you are attracted to. It is not the same as treating women as mere objects.

 

[Screamarie]

Okay...Team Ninja I will not get pissed about the boobies....

IF you come out with a DOA Men with the same number of sexy male characters as there are of sexy female characters in the original DOA, clothing transparency, different costumes for each guy, and clothing specific bulge bounce, and lots of fanservice.

Then we're even.

I think the game industry as a whole should cater to women more, but, demanding each invididual franchise cater to both genders equally is a bit unreasonable. Romance Novels almost exclusively cater to women, Boy Bands are clearly designed to cater primarily to women, and so are most soap operas. And the fact that Romance Novels cater almost exclusively to women is made even worse by the fact that the vast majority of books sold in drug stores, airports, and walmarts, are romance novels- meaning it is hard to find a convenient book department in an average grocery store that sells sci-fi.

The tendency of specific franchises and even genres to cater to specific demographics- and specific genders- applies to a lot of artistic mediums. It isn't really reasonable to, for example, demand that all boy bands hire a bunch of attractive women singers to appeal to men. I do think the games industry in general should produce more for women though, and there should be more games which focus on immersion.

First and foremost, it was a joke to point out how wrong this situation is. If a guy read that post and felt that it was "wrong" or "stupid" to use men in that way...well guess how I feel about DoA? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for fanservice but a game SPECIFICALLY designed FOR fan service? With little to no other redeeming qualities except boobies? It wears a little on the nerves.

And romance novels are, yes, written with women in mind...but 90% of them are written by women. There's nothing to stop a man to go out and write a romance novel, yes there are societies perceptions but that would have to be the risk he would want to take to write that and hopefully change the genre...though what exactly a romance novel written for men would be like. The obvious joke is porn, but I know that most guys actually want more than that out of their relationships.

And while there are plenty of boy bands for women to swoon over and plenty of hot male singers...there's also a lot of girl bands and hot female singers for guys to fantasize over as well. So we're pretty evenly represented in the music business.

The thing about games is...there's very little fanservice for female gamers. There is absolutely nothing like DoA Xtreme Beach Volleyball for women. Yes we get a little fanservice here and there, Mass Effect comes to mind, but there has been absolutely nothing that catered specifically to women in games, no AAA title that made was specifically so women can look at hot men running around.

Now am I saying that we necessarily NEED that? No. I'm perfectly fine with getting light fanservice here and there because I don't play games to drool over guys, I play because it's fun and I like to see stories unfold. That said though, if that's all I get, and that's all the other straight female gamers get, then why should male gamers get more than we do? What makes you so much more special that you can get a game built around fan service and we can't?

I'm not seriously asking Team Ninja to make a game called DoA Men, I'm just asking for a little equality, one way or the other.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

I'll go ahead and save for a fighting game that's actually, you know, good. These games are for people who've yet to discover the internet apparently.

 

[RelexCryo]

Okay...Team Ninja I will not get pissed about the boobies....

IF you come out with a DOA Men with the same number of sexy male characters as there are of sexy female characters in the original DOA, clothing transparency, different costumes for each guy, and clothing specific bulge bounce, and lots of fanservice.

Then we're even.

I think the game industry as a whole should cater to women more, but, demanding each invididual franchise cater to both genders equally is a bit unreasonable. Romance Novels almost exclusively cater to women, Boy Bands are clearly designed to cater primarily to women, and so are most soap operas. And the fact that Romance Novels cater almost exclusively to women is made even worse by the fact that the vast majority of books sold in drug stores, airports, and walmarts, are romance novels- meaning it is hard to find a convenient book department in an average grocery store that sells sci-fi.

The tendency of specific franchises and even genres to cater to specific demographics- and specific genders- applies to a lot of artistic mediums. It isn't really reasonable to, for example, demand that all boy bands hire a bunch of attractive women singers to appeal to men. I do think the games industry in general should produce more for women though, and there should be more games which focus on immersion.

First and foremost, it was a joke to point out how wrong this situation is. If a guy read that post and felt that it was "wrong" or "stupid" to use men in that way...well guess how I feel about DoA? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for fanservice but a game SPECIFICALLY designed FOR fan service? With little to no other redeeming qualities except boobies? It wears a little on the nerves.

And romance novels are, yes, written with women in mind...but 90% of them are written by women. There's nothing to stop a man to go out and write a romance novel, yes there are societies perceptions but that would have to be the risk he would want to take to write that and hopefully change the genre...though what exactly a romance novel written for men would be like. The obvious joke is porn, but I know that most guys actually want more than that out of their relationships.

And while there are plenty of boy bands for women to swoon over and plenty of hot male singers...there's also a lot of girl bands and hot female singers for guys to fantasize over as well. So we're pretty evenly represented in the music business.

The thing about games is...there's very little fanservice for female gamers. There is absolutely nothing like DoA Xtreme Beach Volleyball for women. Yes we get a little fanservice here and there, Mass Effect comes to mind, but there has been absolutely nothing that catered specifically to women in games, no AAA title that made was specifically so women can look at hot men running around.

Now am I saying that we necessarily NEED that? No. I'm perfectly fine with getting light fanservice here and there because I don't play games to drool over guys, I play because it's fun and I like to see stories unfold. That said though, if that's all I get, and that's all the other straight female gamers get, then why should male gamers get more than we do? What makes you so much more special that you can get a game built around fan service and we can't?

I'm not seriously asking Team Ninja to make a game called DoA Men, I'm just asking for a little equality, one way or the other.

And like I said, I agree that there should be more fanservice for women in the medium of videogames. I just think it's wrong to equate designing a game or game franchise to appeal to one demographic specifically with objectification, when the practice is widespread on both sides across many mediums. The videogame medium and industry as a whole should try to appeal to women more, but that doesn't mean it is wrong for individual games to be made specifically for one demographic.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

I don't know, I think this is kind of funny. I mean, after the thing with Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, I can't help but laugh at all of their ideas. It sort of makes sense too I suppose. An outfit with more covering would cause less movement that just wearing, say, a ribbon or something. And say what you will, Dead or Alive itself is a good fighter game.

 

[BarbaricGoose]

We are getting closer to a triple A porno game.

Yes we are. Yes we are...

 

[Terramax]

Upon hearing this, Tekken Tag Tournament 2 designers looked up, noted, "Alright, whatever," and then went back to work on gameplay.

Dead or Alive has always played better than any Tekken. This is why Tecmo are focusing on tits, because with the gameplay having been perfected back since the 2nd instalment, there's nothing left to improve other than visuals.

Tekken, on the other hand, doesn't appear to have improved from the days it was up against Virtua Fighter 2.

 

[Terramax]

I simply feel it's much easier to give those who like the female form fanservice. Low-cut shirts and jiggle jiggle. But I'd like to know how to create females-who-are-attracted-to-males fanservice.

I would say Final Fantasy is more attuned to women's fanservice. Beautiful men, who're more in touch with their emotional side. Whom go to great lengths to for the love of their life. I've always seen women's fantasy as more of an emotional thing.

Sorry, I know you were wanting an opinion from women, but thought I'd put my two cents in anyway.

 

[Slayer_2]

The thing about games is...there's very little fanservice for female gamers. There is absolutely nothing like DoA Xtreme Beach Volleyball for women. Yes we get a little fanservice here and there, Mass Effect comes to mind, but there has been absolutely nothing that catered specifically to women in games, no AAA title that made was specifically so women can look at hot men running around.

Now am I saying that we necessarily NEED that? No. I'm perfectly fine with getting light fanservice here and there because I don't play games to drool over guys, I play because it's fun and I like to see stories unfold. That said though, if that's all I get, and that's all the other straight female gamers get, then why should male gamers get more than we do? What makes you so much more special that you can get a game built around fan service and we can't?

I'm not seriously asking Team Ninja to make a game called DoA Men, I'm just asking for a little equality, one way or the other.

You pretty much just said it yourself. Females are a minority in gaming, and the few that are more serious gamers still aren't likely to be interested in a game focused largely on attractive men in almost no clothes waggling their dicks around with exaggerated penis physics. Females tend to be less controlled by their... um urges. Which is a complement, really. Hence the market for such a game is reduced even further. If it was simply a matter of less female gamers, then it wouldn't be an issue, but the fact is that most women wouldn't be interested in a shallow game like DOA: Chick Edition. They likely want something more deep and harder to create than simply upping the size of a female character's melons.

To be honest, if a game tries to pander to me with boobs and scantily clad "hot chicks", I'm more likely to dodge it. When I see a game with a chick wearing bikini armour, I steer clear. However, I am not every guy on the earth, and the sad fact is that these games must sell if we're sitting at the fifth in the series.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

You can complain about this being immature all you want. But deep down we all know that bouncing boobs are awesome.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

and people wonder why the games industry isn't taken seriously.

 

[Seaf The Troll]

ummm... all that was is buy this game it has boobs. Just wait for all the DLC pay for this person or this costume.

I bet that it will have day one DLC just to milk money out of boobies

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I don't quite understand why so many people hate Dear or Alive. It panders to a male audience! Lowest common denominator entertainment! That's fine! It's not sexist to aim for that audience. (Is it? Is it sexist to aim for a target demographic? If it is, please enlighten me so I can roll my eyes at you)