Could America be invaded?

[magicmonkeybars]

I started wondering if it could be invaded while playing World in Conflict.

The main problems with invading any country are its geography, the population, and the Army.

1) The United States is a massive place, the third or fourth largest in the world, depending on which set of figures you use. This presents a problem as invading country's armies are often stretched too thinly to be effective. Unlike the two larger countries, America is relatively warm, compared to the freezing winters that defeated the French and Germans invading Russia and the Americans in their failed attempt to invade Canada in the war of 1812. The Rocky mountains would be a problem as well, but only if resistance fighters set up there and attacked the surrounding area.

Overall, I believe that with a large enough army, the size of the US would not present too great a problem.

2) The population of the US would be a massive problem. Thanks to the misinterpretation of the US constitution (It actually gives the right to bear arms to 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State'), many Americans own guns and are very proficient in their use. The Americans in general have a very patriotic attitude, and the rabid patriotism in their media, which is especially noticable on FOX news, is reminiscent of the patriotism in Nazi Germany. This would likely motivate them to fight to defend their homeland. Their use of actual tactics would be debatable, as they might try to copy Rambo, but they would certainly gather into small groups of resistance fighters. Resistance fighters are always a headache for invading troops: The Eldelweiss Pirates in France killed the chief of the Cologne Gestapo in 1944, and many other groups sprang up in Europe during World War II. The American resistance fighters would be far better armed, and would likely join up with the local National Guard units.

In conclusion, the resistance would be a massive problem for an invading force.

3) The US Army is one of the best in the world, and one of the better equipped (This has improved vastly since Vietnam). They also have around a million soldiers, which could be put to great use and their numbers would be bolstered by Resistance fighters. They also know the are they'll be fighting in well, which is a massive benefit in urban combat.


In conclusion, I believe that if America was invaded, the invaders would face a massive struggle against the US Army forces currently in the country, but if they defeated them, they would be in their own Vietnam-esce war, with constant guerilla attacks. What do you think?

I think you lack a fundamental understanding of how wars are fought and won.
any country no matter how big or well defended can be invaded and occupied.

 

[The_Prophet]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

Well yea, but we shoot back.

Not if they nuke: DC, New York and LA you won't.

No Pentagon/Mr. President, no Wall Street and no Holywood!

You expect that nuking 3 of our largest cities will prevent us from firing our nukes that are stored in the most remote regions of our country? Losing the President would not be a serious blow to the military, there are a multitude of failsafes in place for just such an occasion.

Yes it would. No head of governt/military, population without money and no Director to stroke the military ego.

You would be so heartbroken, that you would just nuke the rest of the country out of sheer sadness.

Uhmmm, Ever heard of the cold war. America has been stockpiling nukes and anti-nuke and shizzle systems since then. So basicaly a nuke/s would be shot down and the country responsible would be pulverized.

 

[Artheval_Pe]

Those anti-nuke systems don't work. They exist in an experimental state but are currently far too unreliable to do any good, and there are too few of those equipements in place for them to be of any use in case of a nuclear attack.

The real defense are the nuclear ballistic submarines which would indeed pulverize the attacker.

(By the Way, the Airborne Laser has been cancelled)

 

[ThePascifist]

Yes it is possible and yes it could be succesfull. To do it you would have to create chaos. the best way to do this would be to assassinate the president and the higher figures in his/her government. You would then have to destroy NORAD and the people in command of the 3 military branches (army, navy and airforce). You could then bring in the actual invasion force.

One of the biggest problems with this strategy (other than the American military and the people) is the fact that America has lots of allies that would come to her aid.

What this all boils down to is that it would be very hard to succesfully invade America but it is possible.

 

[murphy7801]

So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

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See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.

America doesn't worry about nuclear missiles in launchers. They have stealth bombers that can drop a fuckton of them, or subs.

Have you seen what happen when a sub get hit with an EMP. Oh and you can guess what happen when a plane gets hit.

You've been watching too many movies. An EMP will temporarily disable the electronic components of the sub, but those systems will be reactivated in time and the sub will move again. The most critical systems in modern submarines also have non-electronic backups so things like air circulation aren't going to shut off.

As for aircraft, EMP's don't travel all the fast while modern jets do. The engines are not electronic, just the ignition systems and the controls are hydraulic. Radar and weapon guidance systems will shut down for a while, but the plane isn't going down.

And I forgot one small detail, the only country with an EMP bomb large enough to shut down more than a few city blocks is the US. The largest one WE have can only shut down a small town (maybe 20,000 people.)

actually emp of high enough magnitude will permanently destroy electronics and there a very large source of emp is a sun flare so just trigger one whilst America that side of the sun hay presto.

Other than the fact that you can't actually force the sun to do anything, and the solar flare with a big enough EMP burst to fry all the electronics permanently would also take the atmosphere off the planet, sure that plan might work. At least the radars and targeting systems would be down. The machine parts would still work though.

Knowing that Americans, like myself, will fight and die for their country/constitution, it would pose a grave problem. Also, we would probably implement a scorched Earth policy to delay and starve such enemy in a similar fashion to all invasions of Russia. Foreign leaders are not stupid enough to fuck with us enough to invade, and the patriot missile system, witch is partly operational at the moment could, in all likelihood, shoot down any ICBM's or high altitude bombers.

The P.A.T.R.I.O.T missile system isn't designed to shoot down missiles, it has a 50% success rate on missiles at best and is completely incapable of hitting an ICBM. The range on the missile is long enough to take down those bombers, but the radar system that the missile system uses doesn't track that far up so it would be a blind fire.

The P.A.C. 3 system has proven to be a failure time and again and to date has yet to hit a target (missile speed problems, the missile flies too fast for the guidance chip to calculate and redirect.)

actually it wont take off the atmosphere that just retarded its happen loads times in the past and we all still hear-http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/06may_carringtonflare.htm.
And the sun is just massive fusion reactor with bit of R and D sure you could make it happen.

 

[ad5x5]

I think China could manage it in a few years time.

China have most of the requirements for invasion and occupation of the US.

Large, standing, trained, disciplined army - check
Long range nuclear weapons for deterrence - check
Technological know-how to offset US advantage - check

The Chinese are only currently lacking force projection - the ability to land the troops on the US soil. They have a reasonable navy and could probably move the troops, but they have yet to build aircraft carriers, though these are being planned.


As an aside, I read an article a few years ago about a radar system the chinese were developing to detect stealth aircraft. Used x-rays instead of microwaves, so tracked the disturbance in air currents caused by aircraft. Kinda makes all the billions spent on the stealth aircraft development wasted don't it...

-A

 

[Grahwo]

Been thinking of this..
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Pointing out fallacies..

1. Russia is declining in military power, they are currently weaker then the U.S immensely.

2. Even if you took out the costal base, we would could just as easily mop up any engaging fleet with our carrier strike groups. Which, we have 10 of. That are 100,000 ton. Protected by a fuck ton of ships.

3. We aren't 'bogged' down in the middle east. We are everywhere. Military bases all over the world.

4. To bad, costal wise, you're fucked. We have very large bases on both sides. (Pretty much the best place to go would be into the Caribbeans and attack Florida or Louisiana, but really no matter where you land you're fucked because you wouldn't be able to move much if any around.


I think it would take most of the world to make it to U.S shores. Once they are there we might be fucked, but as long as it is on the ocean.. You're just food for us. (Or the air. We love out airplanes. Such as our bitchin' b-2 penis enlargers and F-22's.)

That said, the best time to attack would be right about now. Seeing as it is a democrat in congress he will begin the process of ripping the military to pieces, and lighting them on fire. Plus, obama would still be screaming "LETS TALK THIS THROUGH" when they clearly want blood.

1. yes, the US is the supreme military power, but still as of yet, I cannot see you have fought any proper enemy in over half a decade.
As of Russia, as an military power they are -really- strong, even though they dont have the B2 penis enlargers, they are an formidable fighting force. (Remember the Eastern front) And I mentioned the Russians due to them being the "only" ones to have the numbers to occupy the massive US. But also China? Who knows? mere examples.

2. You mention the carrier strike groups. let me ask you, when have these seen actual combat against an worthy enemy?
From what I can remember the last.. wellh *scratches head* you havent really tried them out against anything? Say.. there is 20 ships protecting that carrier. what does that help when all you need is some 10 submarines, say, 20 jets in sneak attack with missiles.

Kaboom.. Your little fleet is heavily redused.
The US navy hasnt faced a worthy enemy since the battle for the pacific, and then they where backed up by the largest navy in the world.(the british).

If you look at the falklands war, you can see what will happen to ships.
Here the british destroyed HMS Sheffield got sunk by the attacking force of 2 attacking fighter.
Countering this, a single Submarine sunk the argeninian Cruiser ARA Belgrano.

So, With a proper attack, as I stated above, your carrier strike groups dont does not pose that much of a threat, because if you are unlucky, you get the battlegroup crawling away with heavy losses or even the whole group torpedoed down to visit Davy Jones.

3.
Well, there are quite a few of your best men thats down there, and are now pulling the plug and running away from the mess that you made. No offence ment.

4.
Again, this is a problem, with a suprice attack scenario, with massive forces thats needed to accomplish such an attack for it have the slight chanse to succes. these bases will be main targets.
remember the Iraqian army bases of the first gulf war? Modern war is fast, quick.. Bases and forts are no use at all. The just enshure heavy casualties. Long range conventional missiles, intencive air strikes would leave what is in these in ruins.

But thing is, to mass such an army.. yeh, the major forces of the world would have to gather.. Say, if Russia and China decided to join forces and attack you =)
( The PLA would be an worthy enemy tbh)
china has a potentional 700,000 (1.5 millions if we count reserves) The russians having some 500,000 (I would guess 1.3 if you throw in reserves)
And the US would be able to gather about 1 million, includeing reserves. (do not take these numbers for facts, its approx, cba to check up the exact numbers)

So.. together they might be able to pull it off with an team ratio of 1-2 =) But Im not saying it would be an cake walk.


China would be able to do an good job at crippeling communications due to their Anti Satelite programs, just to mention it.

One of the biggest problems with this strategy (other than the American military and the people) is the fact that America has lots of allies that would come to her aid

Yes.. the US has a lot of allies through NATO and UN.. but this force takes tiiiime to react.
At lest a week to react on such an incident. but UN is a joke, would not happen anything there. but yes, as for norway during the cold war, we had to hold out about 4 days against an soviet invasion before we could expect reinforcements/backup of any segnificant size that would do any good.
But the world is not at such an mode, having large forces at the ready, almost waiting for war =)

Give them 1.5-2 weeks and an counterattack -might- be on its way. That is -if- they are able to react on the attack and dont just sit there stunned by reality.

 

[Hitman 43]

Yes, but would be quite difficult I suppose.

 

[Zombie Badger]

Ok now im curious to know about this "Misinterpretation of the Constitution" Are you against the universal right to bear arms? Because that is what it intended NOT for the militia or other grop alone.

It turns out I was wrong on that one.

I think you lack a fundamental understanding of how wars are fought and won. Any country no matter how big or well defended can be invaded and occupied.

Tell that to Vietnam War veterans, or Russian veterans of their war in Afghanistan. Russia itself would be impossible to occupy as well.

 

[Zenode]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

so what, america only has a couple thousand to send straight back at ya :-D

Tell that to Vietnam War veterans, or Russian veterans of their war in Afghanistan. Russia itself would be impossible to occupy as well.

The mongolians occupied Russia :-D

 

[Iammatt]

To clear the air regarding a nuclear war with America, seeing as lots of people are blabbing on about it, I'm going to mention that the USA has something like the largest or second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world, and as soon as they realized that nukes were coming, long range bombers would be mobilized and silos would light up all across the country, immersing the enemy in a massive nuclear shitstorm even bigger than the one the Americans would be facing. The only countries that could even attempt to do this are China and Russia, and either way both countries would be annihilated. Anyone play fallout?

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[Crimsane]

The mongolians occupied Russia :-D

Yeah, but the Mongolians had absolutely massive balls, the likes of which we haven't seen in centuries.

 

[glimmrang]

Why do that you destroy resources and other goodies just carpet bomb.

 

[HK_01]

Could it be invaded now? No.
In the future? Yes, if an enemy(or a coalition of several countries) plans and prepares for 20 or so years, building up massive armies, producing thousands of modern aircraft, ships and tanks, then they might have a chance. But it's unlikely and stupid, you would suffer horribly in such an attack. It's much more likely that an enemy would infiltrate the government or attack an ally of the US, engaging the US-Army outside their homeland, where they wouldn't have the people on their side and would have to transport supplies across an entire ocean. Then you negotiate a peace treaty at your own terms(for example keeping the land you gained, limiting strength of US-Army, forcing the US to give up all its bases outside of America, etc.)

But such a thing will never happen. Ever. Cause if it does, the world would face one of the most destructive wars of all times. Plus, there's no need to actively fight. The way I see it, their economy is ruined and the debts the government(and the normal people) is making is going to get them into quite some trouble in the future.

 

[Drakulla]

America gets invaded all the time. Sometimes the invaders stay and work and other times the invaders vacation ends and they go home. The worst invaders are the ones that show up and pass out anal probes like its candy. Man, who goes on vacation just to dig around in someones rectum.

 

[HK_01]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

so what, america only has a couple thousand to send straight back at ya :-D

Tell that to Vietnam War veterans, or Russian veterans of their war in Afghanistan. Russia itself would be impossible to occupy as well.

The mongolians occupied Russia :-D

Yeah, but they had massive numbers. And, more importantly, the Russians weren't one country, really. And Siberia wasn't part of Russia(correct me if I'm wrong here).

 

[speed_demon_15]

If someone develops an EMP on the country. It'll make thinks so much easier.

 

[doctorjackal777]

Going by just your title, technically American can be invaded. All that needs to happen is foreign power march onto American soil with the intent on taking over. They don't actually have to succeed.
If we're talking about someone succeed, then I doubt it. Simply because the ends always justifies the mean for America for some reason. They'd nuke their own cities if it meant they might also hit their enemies in the blast. But never mind. Invade yes, take over probably not.

 

[Cocal]

Yes.
It's simple we kill the batman!

No but seriously, ... OH SHI- I COULD OF HAD A v8!!!

Okay on a more serious note.

America could be very easily invaded. By ZOMBIE!!!! and anyone one else who wants to kill Americans, or blacks, or Jews, or lesbians, or gays, or pro-lifers, or god-fearing people, or ... Mexicans. Or anything else. Seriously if you have a grudge on any race or all of them COME TO AMERICA!

No, I am NOT a terrorist.

 

[speed_demon_15]

Yes.
It's simple we kill the batman!

No but seriously, ... OH SHI- I COULD OF HAD A v8!!!

Okay on a more serious note.

America could be very easily invaded. By ZOMBIE!!!! and anyone one else who wants to kill Americans, or blacks, or Jews, or lesbians, or gays, or pro-lifers, or god-fearing people, or ... Mexicans. Or anything else. Seriously if you have a grudge on any race or all of them COME TO AMERICA!

No, I am NOT a terrorist.

Why is there so much hate against another country. sigh people these days they really sicken me and its just sad.