Could Battlefield 3 have the same problems as MW2?

[SamStar42]

Allow me to get this out of the way: I'm looking forward to Modern Warfare 3 a ridiculous amount. I'll probably get it first day, I'll play (and love) the campaign the first day then jump on the multiplayer, and I'll enjoy it as much as I did with Modern Warfare 2. Okay, now you can view me as a peasant or inferior to you because I like the most popular gaming series currently out.

You might have heard a little game named Battlefield 3 that's coming out in October. If you're on the internet occasionally, you might know the internet has a massive fucking hardon for this game (for good reason, looks very very good), mostly because they see it as the 'ANTI CALL OF DUTY'. BF3 looks amazing, it could be a lot of fun, it's looking like it could deserve the hype it's getting. However, isn't this all a little familiar?

November 2009: A little game named Modern Warfare 2 looked amazing, was being hyped to all hell, had a ridiculous amount of people pulling for it and then it came out, to be unbalanced and buggy (but somehow, still very fun). Now, is it at all possible this could happen with BF3?

I'm not sure if you've played Bad Company 2 recently, but there's a hell of a lot of people who just camp with an LMG on a Rush map, waiting for people to come past them. These are the people who I'm assuming people who are going to play Battlefield 3 want to get AWAY from. And yet, as Battlefield 3 is getting about as much hype as MW2 was getting, is there a potential chance that DICE does not account for everything? That they miss a few things, which are promptly abused by the Commando fuckbags who ruined MW2 for everyone? You could say 'oh well DICE aren't stupid like IW', but remember, IW had a superb record similar (though admittedly, not as long lasting) as DICE had.

It's entirely possible that because of the internet's crying, history could repeat itself: A game from a long-running series gets ridiculous hype, before the whining spoilt brats who have the game start to ruin it for everyone else. This is entirely possible to happen again, and it's due to forums like this bitching and moaning about good games (seriously, people who call MW2 'the worst game of all time' are retarded) and championing false prophets.

Discuss how Battlefield 3 could possibly fail.

 

[L3m0n_L1m3]

Honestly, the gameplay I saw made it look like it was trying too hard to be Call of Duty. Very little teamwork, a lot of camping spots, dropping shotting, etc.

 

[ZeZZZZevy]

Different teams doing different projects. An entirely separate team made BFBC2 (correct me if I'm wrong)

so yes it could have the same problems, but I'm not going to go into the million possible what ifs? that could lead to the game being bad. I'm perfectly content to just look forward to it.

 

[Superior Mind]

Actually if I remember correctly in November 2009 the release of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 was marred by the endless complaints about the lack of dedicated servers, complaints that everything looked the same and complaints about the higher price.

The thing between Call of Duty and Battlefield is that they approach the genre slightly differently. Battlefield is generally about wide open areas with key conflict points while Call of Duty concentrates on more restrictive maps with choke points for more close-quarters and reflex-driven combat. Both games have a bit of each but generally they stick to what they know. What is better is purely subjective but of course both will have their issues. It's too early for me to make a judgement call on either BF3 or MW3, they could of a number of differnt problems. I've got to agree with multiple-Zeds up there, I'm just content looking forward to their release to see for myself.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

I saw more camping in Bad Company 2 then I ever saw in Modern Warfare 2.

 

[im-white]

"unbalanced and buggy (but somehow, still very fun). Now, is it at all possible this could happen with BF3?" ... what battlefield game wasn't buggy and unbalanced. if you played battlefield from the beginning 1942 on release day up until the most recent installment you would know the bf series is a buggy mess on release day and takes a few months of patches to be somewhat fixed. heck bf2 still isn't totally fixed... check the forums and prepare to be amazed. and let's not forget bfbc2 which has so many bugs it's a joke

 

[Corkydog]

I saw more camping in Bad Company 2 then I ever saw in Modern Warfare 2.

That's why they made the walls blow up. I never had any issues with campers in that game. Or snipers, really, because of the bullet drop/time delay. Not saying it was impossible to do either, but it was a bit harder to do. The biggest problem was the classes they designed, and reports say they've slightly remastered them to balance it all a bit more.

 

[octafish]

I am encouraged that they are using a suppression effect. Gives you a reason to use a spray and pray weapon properly.

I've never really had a problem with campers in online games of any kind because I play in Australia with a bunch of older gamers. Gamers who grew up on Quake tend to be more aggressive, and Australian gamers tend to be aggressive anyway. (It is why we don't do so well in international fps e-sports)

 

[SamStar42]

Different teams doing different projects. An entirely separate team made BFBC2 (correct me if I'm wrong)

so yes it could have the same problems, but I'm not going to go into the million possible what ifs? that could lead to the game being bad. I'm perfectly content to just look forward to it.

I'm confused as to why people can overlook the problems of Battlefield, but are willing to scrutinize everything in a CoD game. Smacks of hypocrisy.

 

[Shymer]

I'm confused as to why people can overlook the problems of Battlefield, but are willing to scrutinize everything in a CoD game. Smacks of hypocrisy.

The truth of the matter is that people have opinions about games. Some of them post about their opinions. It is human nature to want to find others that share your opinion (tribalism), as well as wanting to "win" (undermining or criticising competing tribes).

In that environment, is it any wonder that you may have come across people criticising a competing game franchise? I would point out that careful analysis of any (thing 1 vs thing 2) debate online will inevitably lead to the conclusion that it isn't all one way traffic - and that all the process does is to divide us into tribes based on who you agree with. There is no objective truth in the debate.

This is not hypocrisy (according to definition), because very few people are pretending to be something they are not. However human behaviour is filled with double standards based on tribal preference.

I hope this eases your confusion.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Honestly, the gameplay I saw made it look like it was trying too hard to be Call of Duty. Very little teamwork, a lot of camping spots, dropping shotting, etc.

I'd say they're trying to market it more like Call of Duty, something I've noticed since the first gameplay video. I don't know why, because going by the information we have about the game it won't nearly play like CoD.

And honestly I really don't get why they would market it like CoD. I mean, you've got CoD for that, Battlefield has plenty that sets it apart from CoD, why not market it on that? I doubt it'll do them much good. I mean, they've got CoD, why would they bother switching game series if that other game serie doesn't look to be offering so much else than CoD does. And the Battlefield fans are put off because they're not seeing what a Battlefield game is all about. Just seems like a loose-loose situation to me.

I'm not sure if you've played Bad Company 2 recently, but there's a hell of a lot of people who just camp with an LMG on a Rush map, waiting for people to come past them.

What platform? I've played it on both the PC and the PS3, and that's not my experience, at least not in great numbers. People who did camp were usually blown away by something rather quickly.

 

[Death_Korps_Kommissar]

Snippage

Well the difference between MW3 and BF3 in possibly a crucial respect is MW3 has been in production for 1 maybe 2 years, while DICE spent, I think, 5+ years on building a new engine and making the game. That and they are ging to have a beta test to

 

[Nauticus]

Mw3 got the same engine, same gameplay as mw2
Only thing ive heard is differernt is the perks in multiplayer.

I got mw1 and mw2, both are identical, dont need another one. And a half focused singleplayer isnt worth that kind of money.

Battlefield 3 got alot more meat on their bones, new engine, new gameplay(comparing to bf2) and since theyre even beta testing it gives me more confidence in putting my money on that instead of mw3.

Only thing that gives me the fury about bf3 is that they arre releasing all my favorite maps from bf2 as dlcs.

 

[Taham]

Actually if I remember correctly in November 2009 the release of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 was marred by the endless complaints about the lack of dedicated servers, complaints that everything looked the same and complaints about the higher price.

The thing between Call of Duty and Battlefield is that they approach the genre slightly differently. Battlefield is generally about wide open areas with key conflict points while Call of Duty concentrates on more restrictive maps with choke points for more close-quarters and reflex-driven combat. Both games have a bit of each but generally they stick to what they know. What is better is purely subjective but of course both will have their issues. It's too early for me to make a judgement call on either BF3 or MW3, they could of a number of differnt problems. I've got to agree with multiple-Zeds up there, I'm just content looking forward to their release to see for myself.

I'm just going to leave it at this.

 

[SamStar42]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want Battlefield 3 to fail (why would I?) I just don't like the double standard currently going around.

360 and sometimes PC I play on.

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm not sure if you've played Bad Company 2 recently, but there's a hell of a lot of people who just campplay the objective with an LMG on a Rush map, waiting for people to come past them.

The whole point of an LMG is to hold down a position. It fires best when you're crouching and stationary, and has a slow ADS. So I'd hope defending Medics are using their LMGs as LMGs and not ARs with bigger clips. On the other hand, not moving up is a terrible idea on offense haha - that's why the G18 rocks (or VSS if you're a recon).

 

[SamStar42]

I'm not sure if you've played Bad Company 2 recently, but there's a hell of a lot of people who just campplay the objective with an LMG on a Rush map, waiting for people to come past them.

The whole point of an LMG is to hold down a position. It fires best when you're crouching and stationary, and has a slow ADS. So I'd hope defending Medics are using their LMGs as LMGs and not ARs with bigger clips. On the other hand, not moving up is a terrible idea on offense haha - that's why the G18 rocks (or VSS if you're a recon).

That's the thing, it's frequently for people who are supposed to be taking positions. I've been in games when all other team members apart from me are camping when they're supposed to be planting the bomb...or even worse, sitting around waiting for someone else to take back our base when it's RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm not sure if you've played Bad Company 2 recently, but there's a hell of a lot of people who just campplay the objective with an LMG on a Rush map, waiting for people to come past them.

The whole point of an LMG is to hold down a position. It fires best when you're crouching and stationary, and has a slow ADS. So I'd hope defending Medics are using their LMGs as LMGs and not ARs with bigger clips. On the other hand, not moving up is a terrible idea on offense haha - that's why the G18 rocks (or VSS if you're a recon).

That's the thing, it's frequently for people who are supposed to be taking positions. I've been in games when all other team members apart from me are camping when they're supposed to be planting the bomb...or even worse, sitting around waiting for someone else to take back our base when it's RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM

Haha, now that's a problem then. There's definitely a bit of bystander effect that goes on in Bad Company 2. I've noticed that doesn't really happen in TF2, possibly because everyone that caps gets points.