Could pedophiles be equivical to homosexuals?

[RabbidKuriboh]

okay let me hang a massive disclaimer over this topic:

1)I am NOT a homophobe, i have nothing against them and don't really care who someone wants to be with

2)I am NOT condoning pedophilia

today pedophilia is illegal and considered by most the most haneous crime a person can commit, but way back when a person was consisered an adult at puberty(around 12-13), but when life expectancies expanded it became clear that more healthy children could be spawned by giving people chances to mature which became around 16, nowadays a person is considered an adult around the age puberty comes to an end, between 17 and 19. So we know that the age of maturity has changed quite a lot over the years, and for all we know it could change again in the near future.

As I'm sure most of you know hundreds of years ago homosexuals were considered evil and under the corruptful influence of satan, and were tortured, lynched and exiled. Fast forward to about 100-150 years ago around the time psychology began to make its strides, homosexuality was considered a mental illness and "sufferers" were given unethical treatment to attempt to cure them. Within the last few decades homosexuals have begun to be recognised as a complete social community, even though there is still a lot of discrimination against them.

What i'm asking is it not feasible that pedophilia could go through the same lifecycle?

Now before i get destroyed by many, many people i want you to consider one thing, the way the world feels about pedophiles was the exact same way the world felt about homosexuals however many years ago

now I sit back and await the mass invasive shitstorm


EDIT: I am NOT saying that the two are the same i just used homosexuality as an example because of the drastic change in public opinion!

 

[Aris Khandr]

What is the obsession this site has with posts about pedophiles?

 

[Macgyvercas]

What is the obsession this site has with posts about pedophiles?

I don't know, but now that you mention it, there have been a ton of posts of the subject lately.

 

[Something Amyss]

What is the obsession this site has with posts about pedophiles?

It's the internet. This is fairly light for an "obsession with pedophiles."

Which is kind of sad in and of itself.

 

[mireko]

Just don't start this topic.


Just... don't.

 

[Togs]

Never- one is between consenting adults and the other is not

 

[lacktheknack]

One major difference: Homosexuality consists of two people who understand sex and wish to have it with each other.

Pedophilia consists of one person understanding and wanting sex with someone who doesn't and doesn't.

Take from that what you will.

 

[Drentics]

I really doubt pedophilia is going to become socially acceptable in the same way that homosexuality is becoming socially acceptable...if that's what you're asking.

 

[Valkyrie101]

I am going to probably get a great deal of burning hate for this, but homosexuality is completely and utterly natural. Pedophilia, on the other hand... Not quite so much.

This (I'd argue that it's technically an aberration, but it's not an uncommon or harmful one). Also, there's a difference between sexual relations with a consenting adult of the same gender, which don't pose any kind of issue whatsoever to anybody, and sexual relations with minors.

To be honest, I don't understand the OP. Are we suggesting that in a couple of centuries, sex between a 30 year old man and a 5 year old girl will be acceptable and commonplace?

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

What is the obsession this site has with posts about pedophiles?

tbh all the topics got me thinking on the subject

 

[BGH122]

There's a giant difference between Paedophilia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia] and Ephebophilia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia]. Unfortunately, many laws consider them one and the same, setting the age of consent in the range of ephebophilia (roughly 15-19). I personally believe this to be invalid, but I can't cite any evidence to say it's any better to have sex with a 15 year old than a 9 year old, other than the fact that the onset of puberty is roughly 12 years of age. But, of course, the presence of functioning genitals isn't consent, otherwise rape would be a non-crime.

It's a very complex issue, but I certainly wholly disagree with the way society treats paedophiles. Regardless of the morality of the actual act, they were still born as they are. They have not made a choice to become attracted to children and we as a society have no right to treat them with the kind of abhorrence we currently exhibit. We can disagree with their sexual proclivities and render them illegal without also hating these people for the way they happened to be born.

What is the obsession this site has with posts about pedophiles?

This.

Also, homosexuality is a mature decision between two mature adults. Pedophilia is a pre-pubescent child who isn't old enough to make responsible decisions regarding sex.

/thread.

No, not /thread. Cite studies to show those claims are valid and make a distinction between the treatment of paedophiles and the legitimacy of their acts.

 

[Nova Helix]

A child's brain is not developed enough to even fully comprehend sex or true intimacy. Anyone who tries to compare pedophilia with homosexuality makes me sick.

 

[DazZ.]

Not really, as the stigma stems from logic instead of religion.

You're obviously hurting kids by raping away their innocence (quite literally), adult homosexuals are only hurting each other as much as they're into.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

Nope. Actually assaulting children does not equal the religious stigma that was the ban of homosexuality.

Attraction to children (or younger people) may be less of a hotbutton but the actual act will always be punishable. Thankfully.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Seriously.. we're doing this, we're actually doing this?

Look, OP, I accept you're not a homophobe but that doesn't give you a carte blanche to feed them. Above and beyond the fact that a lot of homophobes believe the two are the same thing, this line of thinking is just begging for someone to come along with the logic of the daily mail reader and say that supporting gay inclusion into society means supporting paedophiles.

Why paedophiles.. seriously.. can we talk about zoophiles or sadomasochists or foot fetishists? It's not like paedophiles are the only permutation of human sexuality currently considered abnormal.

 

[CManator]

Somhow I doubt pedophila will have as bright a future as homosexuality.

If anything I hope pedophila becomes MORE condemnable.

 

[Kaymish]

given your reasoning sure i will give you it's a possible thing but we are talking about people going after prepubescent children for sex and im pretty sure there is plenty of evidence indicating that psychological/physical harm to the children and we all know how old people (over 35) like to make sure children are not coming to harm look at the crusades at things that are fun which means that it is highly likely that it will be given the same treatment for all time

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

There's a giant difference between Paedophilia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia] and Ephebophilia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia]. Unfortunately, many laws consider them one and the same, setting the age of consent in the range of ephebophilia (roughly 15-19). I personally believe this to be invalid, but I can't cite any evidence to say it's any better to have sex with a 15 year old than a 9 year old, other than the fact that the onset of puberty is roughly 12 years of age. But, of course, the presence of functioning genitals isn't consent, otherwise rape would be a non-crime.

It's a very complex issue, but I certainly wholly disagree with the way society treats paedophiles. Regardless of the morality of the actual act, they were still born as they are. They have not made a choice to become attracted to children and we as a society have no right to treat them with the kind of abhorrence we currently exhibit. We can disagree with their sexual proclivities and render them illegal without also hating these people for the way they happened to be born.

What is the obsession this site has with posts about pedophiles?

This.

Also, homosexuality is a mature decision between two mature adults. Pedophilia is a pre-pubescent child who isn't old enough to make responsible decisions regarding sex.

/thread.

No, not /thread. Cite studies to show those claims are valid and make a distinction between the treatment of paedophiles and the legitimacy of their acts.

thank you that was exactly the kind of response i was hoping to see

 

[Something Amyss]

Now before i get destroyed by many, many people i want you to consider one thing, the way the world feels about pedophiles was the exact same way the world felt about homosexuals however many years ago

Yes, and the same is true of rapists. The problem is, that's where any logic to that statement breaks down.

Now, here's where it gets tricky. More information has come to demonstrate that pedophilia indeed is a sexuality. Attempts to cure or alter it are likely to fail and simply lead to recidivism. The major problem with equating homosexuality and pedophilia is that if I (as a bisexual) give in to my urges, I'm not inherently hurting someone. I mean, sure, I have the potential to rape someone, technically, but I'm not violating someone by the act itself.

This basic difference is unlikely to change any time soon. There is very little about kiddy fiddling that's going to swing round to acceptable in the next fifty years.

So there can be some equation of the two, but it is an incomplete one.

I am not a fan of going after people who haven't done anything wrong, and pedophilia looks very much to be beyond the control of the individual. This goes to a much deeper issue in our society of punishing even the mentally ill or incompetent, because of this notion that punishment stops people. Which, of course, doesn't pan out very well, but when have we ever let that stop us?