Where is the poll in this thread?
And no Pedophiles are sick people Homosexuals are not. They shouldnt be treated as equals.
And no Pedophiles are sick people Homosexuals are not. They shouldnt be treated as equals.
Could pedophiles be equivical to homosexuals?
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Thanks for undoubtedly bringing the ire of the community down upon me by raising an issue which I couldn't help but respond to in a way many people will find reprehensible (and, I suspect, most will cherry-pick and misrepresent in their replies).RabbidKuriboh said:
No.
Here is why:
Pedophiles are shunned for two reasons:
-They step over the norm (this is true for homosexuals too)
-They take advantage of children, who our society considers vulnarable and not completly responsible for their own well-being
So basically the only obstacle is the second point. But that one will never disappear.
Why?
Because it is a basic fact of human physiology that new born humans are unfinished. A young deer can run several minutes after birth and has therefore all necessary ablities to survive. This is not true for humans and it never will be.
It may, however, occur that we lower the legal age of consent, if we keep stuffing our food with hormones so that kids earn full physical maturity arount 16.
Mental maturity, which should be key to sexual consent, remainds unaffected by modern civilization, which makes me stick to my inital statement.
Here is why:
Pedophiles are shunned for two reasons:
-They step over the norm (this is true for homosexuals too)
-They take advantage of children, who our society considers vulnarable and not completly responsible for their own well-being
So basically the only obstacle is the second point. But that one will never disappear.
Why?
Because it is a basic fact of human physiology that new born humans are unfinished. A young deer can run several minutes after birth and has therefore all necessary ablities to survive. This is not true for humans and it never will be.
It may, however, occur that we lower the legal age of consent, if we keep stuffing our food with hormones so that kids earn full physical maturity arount 16.
Mental maturity, which should be key to sexual consent, remainds unaffected by modern civilization, which makes me stick to my inital statement.
In more than one culture it was considered a good thing for a master to have a sexual and/or romantic relationship with his child apprentice. Medieval Japan [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan#Military_same-sex_love] would be an example. Same with homosexuality really. It wasn't as much of a sin as it was in our Christian-Western culture, in certain cultures it was even considered to be a good thing.
Just trying to say that it ain't the same all over the world.
As for ages of maturity, thing is that nowadays we have a lot more evidence for what is the actual, physical age of maturity; the age where the brain finally matures enough so that it has the capabilities to hold certain responsibilities. As long as such scientific data isn't changed dramatically I doubt our current view on what age we mature will change a lot.
Just trying to say that it ain't the same all over the world.
As for ages of maturity, thing is that nowadays we have a lot more evidence for what is the actual, physical age of maturity; the age where the brain finally matures enough so that it has the capabilities to hold certain responsibilities. As long as such scientific data isn't changed dramatically I doubt our current view on what age we mature will change a lot.
Quoted for truth.Zachary Amaranth said:
Thanks for replying with logic rather than gut instinct.
The brain doesn't stop changing rapidly until roughly the age of 25-30. By the above logic the age of consent should be 30. (source: University of Westminster Neurology and Toxicology lecture 29/1/2011)Cowabungaa said:
The idea that pedophelia is bad is not just because some ancient text says "Yay" or "Nay" on the matter. In fact, some sources say that Joseph was an older widower when he married a teenage Mary. Throughout most of Christian history, girls as young as twelve (Ten, or even eight were not that unheard of at many points) were married to significantly older men without issue. The idea that children should not be subjected to sexual behavior, especially with people older than them, is something we, as a society, have come to see as having a very high risk of psychologically damaging them. A psychologically healthy life is something we've come to view as a human right. In the grand scheme of things, human rights are a very, very new concept. Society is going to strongly discourage pedophilic thoughts and punish adults who commit sexual acts towards children unless the very notion of human rights is perverted to the point of losing its meaning.
(Not trying to badmouth Christianity here- I mean, the original term for human rights was "God given rights," referring to that very same ideology)
(Not trying to badmouth Christianity here- I mean, the original term for human rights was "God given rights," referring to that very same ideology)
Then why not ask for it honestly? Were you so afraid to make a post saying 'I think paedophiles are treated unfairly' that you had to drag homosexuality into it?RabbidKuriboh said:
Like I said, a lot of people already equate the two. I for one don't appreciate having that reinforced.
It's possible, though I can't really see any majority of people (or a sizable minority for that matter) condoning sex with a child.
Words of wisdom already! /threadBrokenBoySoldier said:
Now hopefully this thread will meet a swift demise, as it's not needed nor wanted.
This.BrokenBoySoldier said:
Interestingly the notion of 'peadophillia' is fairly recent I think, pretty sure before the invention of "childhood" the abuse of children was not frowned upon as it is today. I also think the OP should mention 3000 years ago in Greece (for example) homosexuality was not stigmatised. Foucault's 'History of Sexuality' is an interesting read on the subject. It will be interesting to see as the worlds population expands and people have little interest in resolving these issues that homosexuality will be celebrated (like in the novel 'The Wanting Seed').
First, I need to be a dick about something: equivocal and equivalent are completely different words. Look them up.
As for the matter at hand, while I'm not sure it's ever right to demonize someone for an attraction that they can't control, pedophilia is still necessarily harmful if it is acted upon. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is not harmful if it is acted upon. Thus, the two cannot be equivalent.
As for the matter at hand, while I'm not sure it's ever right to demonize someone for an attraction that they can't control, pedophilia is still necessarily harmful if it is acted upon. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is not harmful if it is acted upon. Thus, the two cannot be equivalent.
Well, first point, the age of maturity isn't just a useless number without meaning. The rate at which people mature is directly affected by the society, so if there was an argument that "People were mature at twelve, 500 years ago! Why shouldn't it be legal to *etc* with their *etc*?".RabbidKuriboh said:
However, if you meant it more in the way that "In the future, people may be mature by 13 ... or something, so should it really be called pedophilia?" then no ... sort of. Because if people are mature by that point, then the law and public view will change, because the new generations (those mature at 13) will be the ones passing judgement, and they'll understand.
However, however, the difference between homosexualiy and pedophilia is that the former involves two consenting adults (if it doesn't, it is either rape and/or pedophilia) whereas pedophilia involves an adult and someone who is considered to emotionally/psychologically immature to properly grasp the situation.
If I completely missed the mark, corect me ... please ... I don't like it when I'm wrong but think I'm right.
I was thinking this...mireko said:
WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN.....AHHH!!!!!
Abusing a child is a crime that will permanantley scar someone for life, homosexuality is a choice made between two consenting adults...
I just don't know...how could a person...bghkdfjglngshkldkhmlk *head explodes*
Societal norms change. Both were acceptable in Western culture centuries ago. Homosexuality is starting to come back into the accepted bracket, where as the campaign against pedo's is more intense than ever. As I man of the times I fully agree with homo up, pedo down. However, it isnt beyond belief that in a few centuries pedo's may be looked down upon but not crusified. Societal norms always fluxuate. Remember parachute pants?
Although having read it you ought to understand that there's no such thing as homosexuality in ancient Greece.tigermilk said:
Men putting their penises in other men does not = homosexuality. That's one of the key points of the book.
No, you were fine.BGH122 said: