Could Terrorists be the new Pirates
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Privateers were fairly destruction only based. I think they might cut it.FalloutJack said:
How much do you actually know about pirates and/or the historiography surrounding them?Puzzles said:
As much as any boy should know, which I base almost entirely on childhood stories, but I said that it was the stories that made pirates idolised, not fact. I don't think mass murder by strange foreigners will ever get terrorists idolised in western society, but the idea of living on the high seas and plundering is very attractive to a kid, even if they did kill they had some cool aspects that are focused on in story telling. Terrorists do not, their sole purpose is to kill and terrorise infidels.Armitage Shanks said:
You've hit the nail right on the head.Puzzles said:
What boy who reads a story about brave, stealthy underdog warriors sneaking through city streets to launch attacks on a vastly outnumbering evil empire, who invaded their peaceful homeland, before retreating to cool secret hideouts in mountains; wouldn't want to emulate them?
Mamma always said I should be a carpenter.Armitage Shanks said:
You are thinking of guerrilla warfare. Guerrilla fighters are already in the books and stories as freedom fighters in a lot of places. Terrorists use terror as a political weapon to get their way. Also, terrorists kill themselves in a lot of their attacks, that just sucks.
Now, if terrorists are re-written to be guerrilla fighters then it wont really be terrorists that are popular, but freedom fighters, which many people already find cool. Hell I like the idea of guerilla warfare, but it's different to using terror to spread political messages.
EDIT: Actually I'm talking about terrorists attacking western countries, what I'm saying might not make sense when talking about in their own countries, I just realised. So I guess you are right, but for some reason I don't connect fighters in Iraq/Afganistan as actual terrorists. I see terrorists as the guys plotting to use a ton of ammonium nitrate/fuel oil mixture to attack a US city.
Pirates didn't swashbuckle, they had no "Pirates Code", they almost certainly didn't have any special affinity for parrots or monkeys and they didn't all come from West Country England ("Yaarrrr!").Puzzles said:
Why would they bury "treasure" when they could just trade it for tangible goods? Why are are all of their maps burnt around the ages? Why on earth would they identify themselves with skull and crossbones flags? Surely that would just mark them to the authorities and make potential targets wary of the threats they pose.
Pirates are nothing like the kind in your storybooks as a kid. They would kill people. They would steal stuff. They were not nice.
If terrorists are ever romanticized in kids storybooks, they will not be like todays terrorists. Facts will get pushed aside for a good story.
To the people of today, although the pirates did some pretty dreadful things. Pirates represent an ideal of freedom. Pirates represent the idea that the World cannot be carved up and divided between nations, that some people do not belong to any nationality, and the idea that some can go wherever they want.
Pirates are anarchists who play by their own rules.
Muslim extremists of the other hand, do not believe in freedom, they do not believe in democracy. They believe in the spread of Sharia law and the persecution of non-Muslims, and Muslims who are not the `right kind` of Muslim. Terroists who commit suicide attacks are usually committed by serevly brainwashed young men (sometimes women).
Terroists are extremists who oppress
Pirates are anarchists who play by their own rules.
Muslim extremists of the other hand, do not believe in freedom, they do not believe in democracy. They believe in the spread of Sharia law and the persecution of non-Muslims, and Muslims who are not the `right kind` of Muslim. Terroists who commit suicide attacks are usually committed by serevly brainwashed young men (sometimes women).
Terroists are extremists who oppress
The pirate bay died about a week ago. Its back up but now you have to pay for it.BudZer said:They go "ALALALALALALALA JIIIIIIIIHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!" Or at least the American media portrays them as doing that.cyber_andyy said:
PIRATES are the new pirates.
Or possibly
PIRATES are the new pirates.
I'm guessing calling them the new pirates would be kind of a compliment to them...I mean, I don't know much about terrorism and all, but on pirates, I know my share and I know this, they don't blow themselves up for 70 virgins or things like that. And even with them nor nearly being close to saints they had nonetheless a CODE something the terrorists don't have, alongside morals.
Ah, I see. Sorry I didn't notice earlier.Puzzles said:
See Puzzles and my discussion from earlier. They had no such thing.Nanaya Vash said:
Doubt it, Terrorists i reckon will always remain i high-profile threat, as such people will shy away from it, i will of course happily dress up as abu Hamza anyway, he is The Pirate Terrorist Embodiment
How strange that they use a man with no Hands to Draw in More Followers.
pirates are still around sure, but it is common belief that they are no longer a threat and do not exist, mostly because when you say pirate you think Blackbeard or something from a child's book
How strange that they use a man with no Hands to Draw in More Followers.
pirates are still around sure, but it is common belief that they are no longer a threat and do not exist, mostly because when you say pirate you think Blackbeard or something from a child's book
It's sort of a silly question. Generally speaking one side's gueriella fighters and commandos are the other side's terrorists. It's largely a matter of perspective and who writes the history books.
If you were living in The Middle East right now, chances are you'd have a TOTALLY differant opinion of terrorism and the guys who tried to fly the planes into important American targets, as well as the guys sniping at American soldiers and such.
Consider one of the reasons WHY people are willing to become terrorists and suicide bombers is because of the respect their families receive for them martyring themselves. It's also a continous cycle because for anyone to genuinely feel terrorism was wrong (or change their opinion) would mean all of that sacrifice being for nothing.
You hear differant things from the region while we effectively have a gun to their head, but this is basically how things go. In World War II had we lost, it wouldn't have been the various Nazi leaders standing trial as war criminals, it would be guys like Patton.
So umm, well given that most people in the US are neither Islamic, nor in agreement with the cultural standards of that region, it's not likely many people are going to see something embracing those values as being especially cool.
Pirates were extranational anarchists and criminals, and they were a mixed bunch. The vast majority were seafaring murderous scum, BUT also understand that a lot of pirates were privateers and actually in the employ of various nations of the day. Guys like Francis Drake made the idea of a heroic pirate somewhat palatable.
It's also noteworthy that in the current hollywood versions, you see all the skulls and corpses left behind by victims, giving the innuendos, but in general you never see pirates do anything paticularly vile. You don't see them like rape and murder an entire crew of a ship in cold blood, or anything else. This has also changed the perspective somewhat.
Generally speaking you DO see plenty of people dressing up as Special Operations Troops/Military and such, and umm... well... those guys are American Terrorists (as far as the other side is concerned).
It should also be noted that dressing up as an Islamic terrorist because it's "scary" or whatever would also be politically incorrect, especially if (presumably) the situation has been resolved to any degree by the next generation. In those cases despite having some truth to it, it would be like a bunch of kids dressing up as KKK members. Too much real world baggage, and too offensive to too many people on a number of levels.
If you were living in The Middle East right now, chances are you'd have a TOTALLY differant opinion of terrorism and the guys who tried to fly the planes into important American targets, as well as the guys sniping at American soldiers and such.
Consider one of the reasons WHY people are willing to become terrorists and suicide bombers is because of the respect their families receive for them martyring themselves. It's also a continous cycle because for anyone to genuinely feel terrorism was wrong (or change their opinion) would mean all of that sacrifice being for nothing.
You hear differant things from the region while we effectively have a gun to their head, but this is basically how things go. In World War II had we lost, it wouldn't have been the various Nazi leaders standing trial as war criminals, it would be guys like Patton.
So umm, well given that most people in the US are neither Islamic, nor in agreement with the cultural standards of that region, it's not likely many people are going to see something embracing those values as being especially cool.
Pirates were extranational anarchists and criminals, and they were a mixed bunch. The vast majority were seafaring murderous scum, BUT also understand that a lot of pirates were privateers and actually in the employ of various nations of the day. Guys like Francis Drake made the idea of a heroic pirate somewhat palatable.
It's also noteworthy that in the current hollywood versions, you see all the skulls and corpses left behind by victims, giving the innuendos, but in general you never see pirates do anything paticularly vile. You don't see them like rape and murder an entire crew of a ship in cold blood, or anything else. This has also changed the perspective somewhat.
Generally speaking you DO see plenty of people dressing up as Special Operations Troops/Military and such, and umm... well... those guys are American Terrorists (as far as the other side is concerned).
It should also be noted that dressing up as an Islamic terrorist because it's "scary" or whatever would also be politically incorrect, especially if (presumably) the situation has been resolved to any degree by the next generation. In those cases despite having some truth to it, it would be like a bunch of kids dressing up as KKK members. Too much real world baggage, and too offensive to too many people on a number of levels.