Crazy people swearing at and driving RIGHT beside cyclists

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Lonan

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Today I was biking back from from university when this woman pulled up right beside me and told me that unless I can go as fast as she can, I must get to the side of the road. Someone also flipped me their middle finger and swore incoherently at me while driving by very close and not giving me any room on a different day. Does anyone else bike and drivers treat them like this?

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I'll have to elaborate here. I was in the right tire track of the other vehicles passing on the road, and to my right was the gravel and the gutter. There's also cars parked over there. Sometimes people open their car doors without looking and hit cyclists.

So I avoid it, and go where the cars go. I used to go in the gravel and the gutter, and go out of my way to please people in their cars, but I realised how ridiculous it was. Everyone has the same entitlement to the road, and I shouldn't have to move to gravel every single time a car shows up. In fact, they should, because their clothes won't get dirty from having to go in the mud. So I don't. Cars do not have exclusive rights to the road, and whatever other people are using their cars to travel around can't be more important than what I am using my bike for.

Most people manage to obey the law. As a cyclist, I legally am a vehicle, no different from a car, van, truck, or SUV. I stop at every light and stop sign, and I use the road like any other vehicle. Cars need to give me a full lane, on the other side of the yellow line, when they pass me. I'm not going to pander to people in cars and slow my travel down just so they don't have to lose a few seconds of travel time, especially since they have such an enormous sense of entitlement and treat me in such a fashion.
*edit* speed limit 50kph, residential area.
*edit* I remember now that when she was telling me to the side of the road, I told her "I get to use the road as much as you do" and she said "no you don't." Just extra information.
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I have changed my position entirely. I remembered that the only reason I went into the right tire track was because I when it was winter, it was the only place without snow, the only passable place. I have severe ADD, and I essentially stayed in the right tire track out of habit, even though before I always stayed as far the the right as possible. When the woman did what I described, it greatly frightened me, and made me quite angry. I then vented onto the Escapist, and in reading some comments decided to check the rules of the road for cyclists. The rules state that slower traffic must stay to the right, and must give way to faster traffic when safe and practicable. I thought that meant I had to pull off the road every time a car showed up behind me, so I phoned the traffic department of the Calgary Police Department and they said it means that if the curb juts out, you are required to stop and wait for a break in traffic, rather than turning unexpectedly into the lane. He told me that there had been several near misses and some actual collisions as a result of this. And just from his voice inflexion, I realised the whole point of all this is to keep people safe and do what best for your fellow human being. Although my opinion changed abruptly when I realised the truth about the law, the concern the man clearly had for the safety of the people really gave me a good shake, and made me shocked and appalled at how much of a dick I had been. I considered that I was breaking the law and holding up traffic, and yet no one compromised my safety even though I was in the right tire track for several commutes.
I would just like people to also take from this the kind of influence your concern for others and fundamental goodness can have on them.
So my new message is Happy Easter, and spread the kittens.
 

Cain_Zeros

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How does the woman from today expect you to go 50 km/h (average city speed limit) on a bike? Do you look like Lance Armstrong or something?
 

Fleischer

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a.) Where are you biking?

b.) What are the street markings / biking codes for your area?

Without these vital pieces of information, I cannot ascertain whether or not you were biking appropriately. The flipping off and cussing you out does no one any good.

P.S. - You are 5 posts short of being 1337.
 

Loop Stricken

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Goddamn cyclists need to get off my bloody roads, damn it.

No, but really, they annoy me no end when they're just too far into the road to safely overtake them. Horrible bastards.
 

Bobbity

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Were you already on the side of the road when she told you off? She went about it badly, but it seems like a reasonable enough request to me.
 

MikeyW

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Your in the middle of the road instead of the side? No wonder people are getting upset at you.
 

Kpt._Rob

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Were you biking in the middle of the road or something? To be perfectly blunt here, if you were you deserved it.

Don't get me wrong, I realize that more of us should take bicycles to get where we're going, it's better for the environment, better for health, all sorts of good stuff. But there are few things as frustrating as having to drive slowly behind some guy on a bicycle because he's not close enough to the edge of the road for me to drive around him. If you're blocking traffic, that's a pain in the ass for everyone.

That said, I guess if you were off to the side of the road, then that lady was just being unreasonable.
 

L3m0n_L1m3

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I wouldn't have a problem with them if they stuck to the bike trail. You know, that thing we had built exclusively for them?
 

Gennadios

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Maybe you are indeed hogging more road than you should be? Technically cyclists are allowed a full traffic lane, but unless you can move at the posted speed limit, you're also technically obstructing the flow of traffic.

My theory is that if you managed to piss off two completely unrelated people to the point of them swearing at you, then chances are there were alot more reasonable people that you pissed off that never bothered saying it. I'd agree with majority rule here.

For the record, I'm both a driver and a cyclist, I've never had that happen to me, and I've spent more time pissed off at entitled, completely irresponsible ass**** cyclists while driving, than being pissed off at stopsign rolling, aggressive ass**** drivers while cycling.
 

Catalyst6

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If you were riding somewhere around the speed limit then yes, that lady gets to fuck right off. However, if you are going much slower then you should be off to the side.

Preferably you should ride in bike lanes, but let's be frank, there's far too few of them.

It's... weird. Riding always makes me nervous not because it's intrinsically dangerous, not at all. It's because drivers never know what to do with you because they're, how you say, idiots.
 

internetzealot1

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Cyclists. Let me tell you about cyclists. They hog the middle of the road, like they're an actual vehicle or something. And, legally, they are. So whatever. I'm never in a hurry. I can wait if they wan't to be discourteous. But when they come to a stop sign, suddenly they're not vehicles, they're pedestrians. They just run right through, without even slowing down or looking both ways. And would it really be too much for them to hug the side of the road? They have a legal right to be in the center, but everyone knows that's just a technicality. You'd think they'd be a little more careful, considering that they have no protection and are surrounded by metal cages flying past at 35 mph. But no. They make a point out of getting in your way, daring you to try and pass them without crossing over into the other lane. And they never, ever use the bike lanes. They always stayed a yard out from the curb, and now they always stay a yard away from the bike lanes. Its like the pretentious douchebags just couldn't stand that someone would suggest that they, you know, excercise some restraint for the safety and convenience of all involved.

So no, OP, I don't drive too close to you. You ride too close to me.
 

Lonan

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L3m0n_L1m3 said:
I wouldn't have a problem with them if they stuck to the bike trail. You know, that thing we had built exclusively for them?
There were no bike lanes where I was.
 

L3m0n_L1m3

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Lonan said:
L3m0n_L1m3 said:
I wouldn't have a problem with them if they stuck to the bike trail. You know, that thing we had built exclusively for them?
There were no bike lanes where I was.
Yeah, but here we do. A lot of them. And bikers never use them. Ever.
 

Lonan

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L3m0n_L1m3 said:
Lonan said:
L3m0n_L1m3 said:
I wouldn't have a problem with them if they stuck to the bike trail. You know, that thing we had built exclusively for them?
There were no bike lanes where I was.
Yeah, but here we do. A lot of them. And bikers never use them. Ever.
Where is that?
 

Lonan

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Gennadios said:
Maybe you are indeed hogging more road than you should be? Technically cyclists are allowed a full traffic lane, but unless you can move at the posted speed limit, you're also technically obstructing the flow of traffic.

My theory is that if you managed to piss off two completely unrelated people to the point of them swearing at you, then chances are there were alot more reasonable people that you pissed off that never bothered saying it. I'd agree with majority rule here.

For the record, I'm both a driver and a cyclist, I've never had that happen to me, and I've spent more time pissed off at entitled, completely irresponsible ass**** cyclists while driving, than being pissed off at stopsign rolling, aggressive ass**** drivers while cycling.
I was biking on the road, and certainly wasn't going out of my way to make anyone angry.
 

Gennadios

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Lonan said:
I was biking on the road, and certainly wasn't going out of my way to make anyone angry.
But angry you did make them.

The question is did you go out of your way to let the lines of very angry motorists pass you as they were queing up? No rational human being would get that overtly belligerent unless they spent well over 2 minutes behind you.
 

Lilani

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Canid117 said:
No because I stay in bike lanes.
Well those are just wonderful, when you're actually on streets that have them. I'd say less than 5% of the roads in my city have bike lanes. So the other 95% of the time I'm riding my bike someplace, I have to either ride in the road and hope no cars hit me or ride on the sidewalk and hope no cops see me.