Create a hostile faction in a modern fps

[Souleks]

Bioshock 1, 2 and Infinite
Crysis 2
Spec Ops The Line
Deus Ex Human Revolution
RAGE
Fallout 3 + New Vegas
Killzone 2 + 3 (Helgast being very white and very British)

You can't possibly have not heard of any of these games, or have you heard of them and just assumed they all have "brown skinned, russian or something else that would count as a minority" as the antagonists?!!?!?

I've looked through the action games that I've got and it's the exception to have a game with non-white antagonists.

When I said modern fps I meant an fps set in modern times like COD4 and such (I should have clarified that).

I can only think of two major fps franchises that have what you are talking about. The big component of these modern fps your talking about is they have a basis in the real world they have to be theoreticals or possible futures you can't have it be a "Welp, lets just have a Civil War." because that wouldn't be believable most people in the western world "get" each other and because of it there is less violent conflict if it was a hundred years ago then maybe not so much but now we seem to kind have worked it out therefore the only believable enemy would be one that we are currently in conflict with its simple as that I don't think you really thought this thing through since your only considering Call of Duty,Battlefield and Medal of Honor as our "modern fps" when they are really just "modern military fps" key word being modern.

also the Condemned series Modern setting and a fps.

 

[marcooos]

Space russians, just because that moment in Vanquish is just like ".......whut?"

 

[Treblaine]

Bioshock 1, 2 and Infinite
Crysis 2
Spec Ops The Line
Deus Ex Human Revolution
RAGE
Fallout 3 + New Vegas
Killzone 2 + 3 (Helgast being very white and very British)

You can't possibly have not heard of any of these games, or have you heard of them and just assumed they all have "brown skinned, russian or something else that would count as a minority" as the antagonists?!!?!?

I've looked through the action games that I've got and it's the exception to have a game with non-white antagonists.

When I said modern fps I meant an fps set in modern times like COD4 and such (I should have clarified that).

That's a bit like saying "I want a realistic 1940's era War game where I'm not fighting the Germans or Japanese"

Okay, I've got the game "like COD4 but fighting non-brown, non-russians"

You can't feign ignorance any more considering the final act is British forces fighting Americans.

And in the VERY LIST YOU REJECTED:

Crysis 2 = modern setting
Spec Ops The Line = Modern setting

 

[IBlackKiteI]

Yeah, this pretty much confirms it, this isn't about making a good game, this is about controversy for the sake of controversy. Take your petty political point scoring elsewhere, and don't try to ruin games by trying to satisfy your political prejudices.

the backlash of it being a game about killing Americans

Absolutely ZERO BACKLASH to killing American Marines in the extremely popular and well known Half Life.

This idea that it is politically controversial to kill Americans as antagonists in video games IS COMPLETELY FABRICATED. It has no basis in fact and is KNOWINGLY in direct contradiction with the facts. Deception.

I thought it pretty obvious that these aren't my 'political prejudices' I'm expressing, I'd welcome such a game. I'm thinking of how the media would react and why the anticipation of that would prevent anyone creating something like this.
Considering that the media tends to greatly overexaggerate and distort the truth of a lot of controversal content in games, how do you think a modern game based on some sort of armed American uprising would likely fare?
Sure, I might wanna play it and you might want to play it, but the media watchdogs could read all kinds of stupid crap into it, and most devs wouldn't risk that.

Even if it did actually cause little backlash not many devs would, at this point, risk such a project in the first place.

 

[Treblaine]

Yeah, this pretty much confirms it, this isn't about making a good game, this is about controversy for the sake of controversy. Take your petty political point scoring elsewhere, and don't try to ruin games by trying to satisfy your political prejudices.

the backlash of it being a game about killing Americans

Absolutely ZERO BACKLASH to killing American Marines in the extremely popular and well known Half Life.

This idea that it is politically controversial to kill Americans as antagonists in video games IS COMPLETELY FABRICATED. It has no basis in fact and is KNOWINGLY in direct contradiction with the facts. Deception.

I thought it pretty obvious that these aren't my 'political prejudices' I'm expressing, I'd welcome such a game. I'm thinking of how the media would react and why the anticipation of that would prevent anyone creating something like this.
Considering that the media tends to greatly overexaggerate and distort the truth of a lot of controversal content in games, how do you think a modern game based on some sort of armed American uprising would likely fare?
Sure, I might wanna play it and you might want to play it, but the media watchdogs could read all kinds of stupid crap into it, and most devs wouldn't risk that.

Even if it did actually cause little backlash not many devs would, at this point, risk such a project in the first place.

Who gives CRAP what the media thinks, games aren't made for their amusement and to give them shitty tabloid news stories.

It's made for gamers.

Considering that the media tends to greatly overexaggerate and distort the truth...

Evidently it has rubbed of on certain forum posters...

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

I'd do what I'm doing in my book-
A group of people who aren't evil, in any sense, but following a lie. A lie that peace must be achieved through war. They do nothing too morally devastating, atleast not by choice, yet they are placed in 4 inch thick armor (Sorry, I forgot "Modern") and have every instance of them dehumanized, leaving the oppossing forces in a trans that they are destroying "Bad guys". easily labeled as "Evil baby eaters", without having a face to go along with it, until they see that humans do exist under their armor, and instantly ruin the well-being of said opposing soldiers.

Fighting an enemy who owns most of the world, has supperior technology, land and power hungry leaders with no emplaced restrictions, and yet their greatest weapon is the fact that they are human, underneith all of the things that "protect" them.

 

[L4Y Duke]

A corporation of Swedish architects jealous of the German innovations in structural design so they attempt to take over the biggest German architecture firm via. assasinating the CEO in a buisness meeting, only for the German employees to pull out their own weapons given to them by their military contracts?

 

[HannesPascal]

You can't feign ignorance any more considering the final act is British forces fighting Americans.

And in the VERY LIST YOU REJECTED:

Crysis 2 = modern setting
Spec Ops The Line = Modern setting

Actually I don't play so many fps but according to a lot of people on this website killing brownish people is all you do in these games and I wanted those same people to make up a realistic scenario where you killed someone else.

 

[Fisher321]

A coalition of Israeli and Iranian forces who assault the US east coast. Nobody would see that one coming.

This.... Genius...

It should be Alaska instead, now that would be unpredictable.

 

[the abyss gazes also]

A group of people who think FPSs are stupid and rise up to destroy them. Nothing pisses off a gamer faster than people who don't like their particular flavor of game. At least the player would be motivated.

 

[Treblaine]

You can't feign ignorance any more considering the final act is British forces fighting Americans.

And in the VERY LIST YOU REJECTED:

Crysis 2 = modern setting
Spec Ops The Line = Modern setting

Actually I don't play so many fps but according to a lot of people on this website killing brownish people is all you do in these games and I wanted those same people to make up a realistic scenario where you killed someone else.

But you are the one who actually said it, you were categorical that there was not a game of that where you kill anyone other than "brown people". I mean, what the hell dude? Why the hell are you making demands of things you know next to noting about? Some questions aren't just questions, they are accusations by implication.

 

[sibrenfetter]

The entire series is the US colossally screwing everything up and then someone else(usually the British) try to fix things behind the scenes. The Americans are pretty much never the heroes. At best they are the national embodiment of inspector Clouseau bumbling around with good intentions, at worst they are evil assholes engineering wars and outright betraying their allies. If you actually think about it, Call of Duty MW is one of the most anti US games around.

You actually bring up some really good points. And while I maintain my points to some degree (for shooters in general) as an overall statement, you are definitely correct with the COD series.

 

[Wedgetail122]

I go to Matthew Reilly novels for a brilliant cast of possible video game villians. So lets see what we have got, ok um Rouge US/EU Military Factions, Rouge Revolutionaries trying to start a US Civil War, a Collective band of Mercenaries/bounty hunters sponsored by a first world nation, A CIA Created army of mercenaries/war criminals/terrorists that is used for an evil purpose, a first world country (US/France/UK/Australia.. ect) that sends an elite team to cover up or capture something your defending, The Government (hey you seen something you weren't supposed to see), Killer experimental apes armed with machine guns and of course the ole Neo-Nazi. Top it all off with some Mutated Walruses, Killer Whales, crocodiles and giant man eating cats and bingo you got yourself an awesome experience

 

[WendelI]

Why not PMCs? i know its impossible as hell and Tom Clanci's HAWX already did it but it sure as hell feels better to kill money grubbing corporate servants than some dude from Russia who got kids to feed. Other wise we can take the ace combat route and make up our own planet where everyone is nice to each other but the evil leaders are the ones that force them to fight... The enemy also better have gigantic flying manta-rays that fire swarms of missiles just to make the narrative point--I just like gigantic flying manta-rays, screw trying to explain that.

Otherwise you can make an FPS where we play a form of terrorist with a "righteous cause" and we try to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. There are allot of enemies for the common man, if painting them brown or saying that they are from a communist country is not fair game any more all you really have to do is find another way to make them different.

 

[HannesPascal]

But you are the one who actually said it, you were categorical that there was not a game of that where you kill anyone other than "brown people". I mean, what the hell dude? Why the hell are you making demands of things you know next to noting about? Some questions aren't just questions, they are accusations by implication.

No I didn't I said that it is a common occurrence that the killing minorities in modern fps (I confess I might have misused the word "generally") , not that there wasn't any game out there where you did anything else. And it wasn't a demand such much as a question (unless you count the title in which case I'm so terrible sorry for making demands of you), and who would I've accused.

 

[Treblaine]

But you are the one who actually said it, you were categorical that there was not a game of that where you kill anyone other than "brown people". I mean, what the hell dude? Why the hell are you making demands of things you know next to noting about? Some questions aren't just questions, they are accusations by implication.

No I didn't I said that it is a common occurrence that the killing minorities in modern fps (I confess I might have misused the word "generally") , not that there wasn't any game out there where you did anything else. And it wasn't a demand such much as a question (unless you count the title in which case I'm so terrible sorry for making demands of you), and who would I've accused.

you said

So my question to you is:
Can you make up some enemy in a modern fps that isn't brown skinned, russian or something else that would count as a minority in the western world.

You didn't say give an example of one. You demanded to "make one up" implying there hadn't been any already.

Don't play dumb with me, a question can be as an assured way of making an accusation "have you stopped beating my wife"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

You're pretty much accusing everyone who plays FPS games and everyone to do with them of being part of some racist conspiracy, concocting the scenario where you'd have to - right now - "make up" a scenario of non-russian and white antagonists. I find that insulting how much it belittles and obfuscates a serious issue.

 

[Jolly Co-operator]

Zombie dinosaurs from space. If the world can't unite against THAT, then peace is truly unattainable. I had a similar idea involving unicorns, but that would have just been far-fetched.

 

[Strazdas]

American obsession with extreme right has finally gotten out of hand and they are starting a war for resources disregarding international treaties.
you are a blue-helmet (United nation forces) soldier (makes you be able to be of ANY natinality as long as they belong to UN, and only countries like north korea doesnt), who gets cauht into the whirpool of this war, while being dislocated in africa.
In this scenario, you a re helping the africans to defend agasint americans, as per UN orders. it ends up with you playin vita part in repelling american invasion.

here i jut made a realistic modern day shooter scenario where white guys are the bad guys. on a
whim. in 2 minutes. Is that really so hard?

You didn't say give an example of one. You demanded to "make one up" implying there hadn't been any already.

Don't play dumb with me, a question can be as an assured way of making an accusation "have you stopped beating my wife"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

You're pretty much accusing everyone who plays FPS games and everyone to do with them of being part of some racist conspiracy, concocting the scenario where you'd have to - right now - "make up" a scenario of non-russian and white antagonists. I find that insulting how much it belittles and obfuscates a serious issue.

I havent read the whoel discussion, but.....
I dont see your point. To make up a scenario means to create a fictional scenario that you do not know to be a reality. the scenario i just posted above fits the bill of it. in no way that implies no such scenario has been made up before. maybe it has, i dont know. in fact you are the one implying there can be only one such scenario, which would put you closer to being racist than he is.
also, noone cares if you find it insulting. finding something insulting has 0 meaning. its an useless statement.

 

[Coppernerves]

Wouldn't count as a minority in the western world...

So they'd be white Americans?

Have you ever read Scarecrow? If you haven't and you like action movies, go read it, it's about a recon marine with super-reflexes, who's got an $18.6 million bounty on his head, a bodyguard who some mysterious employer is paying to keep him alive WITHOUT restricting him, and scant time to figure out why he's on the list, who made the list, what they're trying to do, and how to stop them.

He proceeds to do all kinds of crazy stuff, like Tony Hawks style grinding a car along a rail to dodge a truck and blow up a helicopter, and chasing an ICBM in an experimental NASA aircraft while hacking the warhead to stop it blowing up.

Anyway, since he's got that bounty on him, he's up against all sorts of mercenaries, plenty of which aren't minorities in the western world.

 

[Halfie2]

The spanish inquisition.

Why? Because nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

Spoiler

Their main weapons would be surprise attacks with flamerthrowers, swords and comfy chairs.

They could be used in a wolfenstein style castle part where the main character is caught, after killing the usual 10 bazillion terrorists (preparing you for the surprise), and tortured before making an escape.