Creator of Doom Thinks Sony's NGP Is the Bee's Knees

[Cryo84R]

What do you think? Will Sony give Nintendo and Apple a run for their money in the handheld gaming market with the NGP?

Not a chance. It's gonna flop.
But if it does turn out to be worth playing, then more fun for us gamers.
And I refuse to accept Apple as a contender here strictly because they're all just glorified flash games to me. It should be between Nintendo and Sony.

My awesome copy of Dead Space for iOS disagrees with your statement.

 

[migo]

That's not what it's like at all. If anything, Apple will blow both Sony and Nintendo out of the water.

In the casual flash-based tiny games market, yeah probably. As far as actual games that take serious work to create. Absolutely not, Apple's nowhere even close to becoming a market leader there. But, yeah, they definitely helped bring casual $1 app games to the limelight. Not really what this device is intended for however.

You're making a fictitious comparison. It's about hardware sales and software sales. iOS games can afford to sell at a much lower price because they sell at a much higher volume, so games that were selling for $40 on the PSP went down to $10 when ported to iOS. Sony's going to have to do something about it, and start offering those games at a more impressive price.

Also, you're clearly talking out of your ass. Unreal Engine 3 runs on iOS, and Rage will too. That blows your idea about "actual games" straight out of the water.

Apple has never been part of the games genre. They've only just started, and wow, Unreal 3 Engine runs on the Iphone, gollee frickin gee. The most overused, overhyped piece of crap middle-ware we've seen this generation...that's been out for what, 5 or 6 years? Boy, Apple must've taken great strides to get that sucker running on the iOS. LoL.

As I said, Apple is nowhere near a market leader in games. Period. Their iphone is literally their first success story in the industry. The rest have been trash...because Apple makes trash products (look things up before you respond to this). Overpriced, underclocked, and highly inferior internals.

To you, it may be about hardware sales, and to you, the 1st place sales may be the only ones that matter. Facts are, 65+ million people own PSP's, that's a shitload of money, and a shitload of interest in their product. They don't have to be the leader to reap tons of profit. Hell, Microsoft doesn't seem to be doing to bad with the Xbox division, and they're far behind the Wii, right?

My words were far from fictitious, you simply consider 2nd and 3rd place as losers, and no possibility of ever being a benefit to the company. That's a fallacy.

The mistake you're making is thinking that Sony and Nintendo will even be relevant in the next generation. Nintendo has previously pushed all its competitors in the handheld market out due to overwhelming sales compared to minimal ones. Plenty of people have given up entirely on dedicated game handhelds, and it's not only iOS, but also Android and Windows Phone that are aggressively going after the handheld games market.

Whatever you try to justify to yourself that they're not a real console experience, or some other crap that you'll spew, Sony and Nintendo not only have to contend with the current king; Apple, but will be facing stiff competition from two new entrants, both who have shown a strong ability to muscle into markets that were previously dominated by other players.

The next generation has already started, and Nintendo and Sony are the last two entrants in it - out of 5.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

Will the NGP be make Nintendo "Run for the Money?" No, I can't see that happening. At most, it will be a better competator to the 3DS then the PSP was to the DS. At the least, I see it being a repeat of the PSP, and making Sony abandon Handheld Gaming completely (Though probably a good thing for them, cause then the PS4 could probably become No. 1 if Sony focused on their home consoles)

Will it make Apple "Run for the Money?" Definately a no. I am not a fan of Ipod Games (Although I use an Ipod that can't really play games and only plays music), but the Ipod Games are mostly good Indie Games from what I see (Pocket God is pretty fun), so it can't really die. Plus, The Ipod doesn't just play games: Get this... it's mostly an MP3 Player! I know, right?

 

[Madmanonfire]

What do you think? Will Sony give Nintendo and Apple a run for their money in the handheld gaming market with the NGP?

Not a chance. It's gonna flop.
But if it does turn out to be worth playing, then more fun for us gamers.
And I refuse to accept Apple as a contender here strictly because they're all just glorified flash games to me. It should be between Nintendo and Sony.

My awesome copy of Dead Space for iOS disagrees with your statement.

It can't be an awesome copy if you have to play it on iOS.

Also...

Sony and Nintendo not only have to contend with the current king; Apple,

Bahahahahahah! You're kidding, right? Apple could never compete with Sony and Nintendo or be king. Not until they get a decent set of actual games with a decent set of controls. You can't beat buttons with only a touch screen and waggles, and that's just the tip of the iceburg.

 

[migo]

I'm not kidding. You just have no idea, and are speaking from prejudice.

Fortunately, it's not like Apple is equivalent to homosexuals or other minorities, and Steve Jobs is a total cock, so keep it up if you like, but be prepared to get a huge egg on your face.

 

[migo]

We're talking about handhelds, you're moving goalposts, which is because you're more of an Apple hater than I am, and that's just sad.

 

[Xanthious]

I'm more interested in the Playstation Phone than I am the NGP. Seriously, go check it out. Holy hell, as a gamer and someone who live on my cell that thing is just freaking sweet. Just look at it!

 

[BabyRaptor]

An API is an application programming interface - it's how a programmer makes use of resources from within their program. For example, there's a twitter API, that allows a program to easily communicate with twitter.

In relation to programming, low-level vs. high-level refers to how much work a computer or processor has to do in order to convert from an instruction given to an instruction a CPU can understand.

A high-level instruction might look like this: "print 'Hello'" whereas a low-level instruction might be in binary. Obviously, it's easier for a human to work with "print 'Hello'" than with binary, but the trade-off is that the computer has to work harder to understand the high-level stuff.

Because of this, exposing lower-level APIs to developers allows them to increase performance, and get more out of the same specs than when using high-level APIs.

Hopefully that makes sense to you guys!

Cookies, good sir. A bunch of them.

 

[TheRealCJ]

That's all lovely and wonderful, but if it costs a bomb no one's going to buy it. If it's a reasonable price and the games are good though, then Sony might finally have made a great handheld device. At least I hope so, because I damn well want one, although these API thingies didn't have much to do with that.

I think everybody is forgetting the big screen on this thing. if out ends up running something like Android, which isn't exactly a pipe dream (considering the psp phone runs the same), it means that we're going to end up with an extremely high end 5-inch, quad-core tablet, with super-advanced gaming capabilities.

sorry, posted too soon, what I was going to say was that if people are prepared to pay 8-900 on a Galaxy Tab, and anywhere between 700 and 1100 on an ipad, they'd be more than ready to plonk 4-600 on this.

 

[tendo82]

I gotta agree with Carmack; the NGP looks incredible. I mean an OLED screen!? They don't even make TV's over 30 inches with OLED screens because of the cost. It's a beast of a machine, but the very fact that I'm tempted to describe it with the word "beast" pretty much explains why only core gamers will be purchasing this thing.

The other thing is that the PSP is a system that's basically aimed at the Japanese market. And it's going to take a hell of a lot more than Monster Hunter and a Nippon Ichi SRPG to get me on board from day one.

 

[8bitmaster]

Carmack has always been a tech guy; if he says the tech is noteworthy, I tend to believe him. But much like creativity has often taken a back seat to technology in Carmack's work, it's the software and use of interface that will make or break the thing. The NGP could herald a new generation of hand-held entertainment technology, or it could be a repository for shovelware, gimickry, and a certain type of game most notable for the tedium of its creators cinematic aspirations (I'm sure you can name some offenders.)

It could result in shovelware, but it won't. Sony isn't Nintendo. They don't give licenses to anyone, and if they know a game won't sell then it won't license it.


OT: still, I like the fact that Carmack likes it. I will probably buy it, but depending on the price not at launch.

 

[edepot]

NGP Secrets. All you ever wanted to know about the PSP2...

http://www.edepot.com/playstation.html

Hint: Does it vibrate?