D&D the peasant railgun?

[Da_Schwartz]

I still don't get it. I've played dnd for like 15 years..and i dont understand the concept behind this. Is this liek some new general understanding with players theese days of ways to cheat and bend the rules of the Phb. I mean really? We need to cheat and be as uber as possible in tabletop games now too? LOL what am i missing here?

 

[Hellsbells]

Its fun what can be done when you abuse the rules in D&D, 3rd edition specifically. Personally, my favorite is turning the Locate City spell into a bomb that will wipe out everything that doesn't have improved evasion AND makes the save within an [x] mile radius where [x] is the character's caster level x 100.

The spell itself normally does exactly what the name implies.

how on earth do you do that...

 

[Ancientgamer]

If I were a DM I'd let you do it at least once just for the lulz. You'd deserve that much just for thinking of it\having the guts to do it. I'd even let you break my campaign just for the sheer awesomeness.

I can just see some PCs bringing down an epic level monster with 10K peasants chain firing objects a supersonic speeds.

 

[Flying-Emu]

You know, if my players did this, they'd have their epic-level asses shot by so many Gods it wouldn't even be funny.

Yondalla does not appreciate tomfoolery.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Why is everyone so hung up over rules? I didn't notice any rules. I just noticed an absolutely absurd situation where two miles worth of peasants can mimic the speed and force of a magnetic superweapon.

If I were a DM and one of the players suggested that to me, I would totally let it work exactly once. Just for the sheer WTFery.

Granted, in the instance I'd let it work, it would either have to be a really really pointless target (Mother May's Pie Shoppe, which overcharged them) or a really really pointlessly challenging target (the Tarrasque).

 

[Lonko]

Am I the only one who doesn't think that would even work?
There are no rules in D&D for momentum, last I checked. What you'd end up with is a pole being handed very quickly from one peasant to another, moving at supersonic speeds, and then reaching the last guy and getting thrown just as if he had it in hand at the start of his turn. It'd make a damn good bucket chain, and if you give every peasant a javelin it'd give the guy in front an effectively infinite number of the things, but as a railgun, I don't see it working. In any case, I'd never let my players get away with stuff like this, even if the letter of the rules allowed it.

Its fun what can be done when you abuse the rules in D&D, 3rd edition specifically. Personally, my favorite is turning the Locate City spell into a bomb that will wipe out everything that doesn't have improved evasion AND makes the save within an [x] mile radius where [x] is the character's caster level x 100.

The spell itself normally does exactly what the name implies.

how on earth do you do that...

There's some noncore metamagic feats which allow you to add damage to any spell with an AoE. Locate City is one such spell, and said area is measured in miles. Combine the two and you end up with the world's largest fireball spell.

 

[Da_Schwartz]

So i wasn't wrong i just couldn't comprehend how dull cheap and lame that is to say that if everyone passes at once it'll be liek a magnet and fire at lighting fast speed....Seriously. It's not about being a hardass with the core rules..it's about i dunno, physics..common sense? Like...This is why we don't play 3rd and 4th edition...you've all become "that guy" at the table.
You know. The same guy that wishes his +5 platemail and gauntlets of ogre power and girdle of giant strength to be perma welded to their body. Then assume that because u can now lift like 1200 pounds that if u change your body weight to about 650 then your one giant awesome walking muscle. When in all reality your now just some fat dude with overflowing ***** tits and 6 elbows. Stoping being lame and go get me more cheetos. Oh and refill my dew on your way back.

 

[I III II X4]

*Whaaammmbulance*

Was your tone really necessary? You first post, fine, but this?

Yes, physically, it wouldn't work, but still, is it a neat idea? Yes, flawed, but yes, it is a neat idea.

 

[Axolotl]

You run into the slight problem that speed/momentum grants no benefits under DnD rules, thus you achieve nothing more than throwing a 10 Ft pole at the enemy.

 

[DarkLunarian]

Okay, yeah, i know this is a dead thread, but really? REALLY? Take the 10 ft pole out of your asses and just laugh at it. It was supposed to be funny. There are no rules for momentum, correct, so it obviously wouldn't work in the RAW, and its so illogical that no DM would allow it anyway. It's just supposed to be a funny thought. I laughed. Why not take a second and picture the 2 miles of peasants firing a wooden pole at Mach 2? You know it makes a small part of you giggle. If it doesn't, you are way to cynical to be playing a game with fire-breathing dragons and unicorns.

 

[Altorin]

I've heard of this as well, and really, I've never thought it held any clout whatsoever, and would never allow it in my games, lol

that being said - LOL

 

[Brandon237]

Okay, yeah, i know this is a dead thread, but really? REALLY? Take the 10 ft pole out of your asses and just laugh at it. It was supposed to be funny. There are no rules for momentum, correct, so it obviously wouldn't work in the RAW, and its so illogical that no DM would allow it anyway. It's just supposed to be a funny thought. I laughed. Why not take a second and picture the 2 miles of peasants firing a wooden pole at Mach 2? You know it makes a small part of you giggle. If it doesn't, you are way to cynical to be playing a game with fire-breathing dragons and unicorns.

Agreed, but I found people taking it seriously made it even funnier. I just laughed my head off, and as a GM/DM I would allow it for sheer awesomeness. I had a mental image off arrows flying from hands at extreme high speeds and the line of peasants turning to aim... Chuckle chuckle...

 

[Altorin]

I don't understand how passing it through the hands of 2,280 peasants would make it go 1200 miles an hour...and you can't do this in one round wether they're cued or not. For one person to draw a weapon,pass something or drink a potion whaetever is half a round, it counts as an action.. so your talking 1,140 rounds to do this. Or 114 turns...o.0 I don't get it. Either that or you have a terrible dm.

I don't understand, am i the only one that doesn't get this?

It comes from the idea that it basically takes no time in game (It's not an action in the games sense) to pass an item from one person to a person next to you. So theoretically you could, in the rules of the game, have a line of peasants 1000 miles long and just have them pass important stuff between two distant cities at instant speed.. The actual result in the rules is more similar to an ethernet cable then a railgun. Still Ludicrous, but leave it to the internet to take a ludicrous idea and make it even ludicrousier

 

[Zannah]

I just asked my dm (and boyfriend). His answer was 'go try', but I'm not sure I like THAT smile :|

 

[DarkLunarian]

Peasant-powered internet!

And yeah. I'm a DM, i know the smile. My players fear it even more than a Kender saying "oops."

 

[Hiphophippo]

Pretty amazing use of the rules, but yea, no DM worth his dice would let that shit fly.

Still awesome though.

 

[Prower]

Bah, Don't always be so critical of Players trying to break the laws of physics.

when a player asked me If he could implement the rail gun in an up coming game I told him that I'd think about it.



In short the quest had the party defend a small city abandoned by the monarchy against a huge attack from an opposing force by sea.

To achieve this, through countless sub quests they activated an ancient weapon in the depths of the mountains- using the Golem powered rail gun they destroyed all but the commanders airship.

In an epic finale they were forced to bury the weapon and the bad guy under the mountain in order to prevent him from using it to "try to take over the world!"


Take what your players want to do and find a way to make it work - not just hit it with a ban hammer - you miss out on so much!

 

[somonels]

While technically plausible the pole will still deal only 1d6 damage and have a range of 10ft.

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

Well if you could get that to work it would be awesome. The only thing is you'd need enough peasants to form a single line several miles long. That ain't gonna be easy.