DA:Origins - Anvil of the Void, what do?

[Vault101]

tried to keep the title un-spoilertastic

To anyone whose finished Dragon Age: Origins, I have a question about the Anvil of the Void for the Paragon of her Kind quest underneath Orzammar, spoilers ahead

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I'm siding with Bhelen since he seems like the better option for the Dwarves in the long run, however I'm stuck on deciding whether to destroy the anvil or keep it. I hear if you keep the anvil Harrowmont goes a bit mad with power later in life and starts using the casteless as unwilling volunteers, and once they run out of castless they begin hunting humans on the surface, so I'm leaning towards destroying it

However I've not found out how Bhelen reacts to having it, I'm assuming that since he's already pretty ruthless it can't be good

I think I destroyed it and Branka has lept too far off the slipery slope

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Spoiler: Spoilers

well there is a good reason to destroy it. The golems are a crutch. If a kingdom cannot protect its own land without performing soul torture, then it doesn't deserve it. A kingdom's strength is people, not a morally questionable crutch. If the dwarves want their land they must fight for it by hand, not waiting for their cure all crutch to come back. Hell in some of the endings dwarves reclaim some of their land by force. The dwarves are capable of reclaiming their land, but they want the easy way out. If they can't be arsed to reclaim their history, former glory, and land then they didn't really want it at all.

Long story short a kingdom on a crutch is a collapse waiting to happen. It happened before, and it will happen again. The dwarves who complain of not being able to get their land back is like a non-crippled person wanting to walk but they don't because their wheel chair is too comfy.

Spoiler

Come now, you would toss aside a valuable resource in a never ending battle because of principles?

 

[Eremiel]

My main issue with that particular exchange is simple..

Being turned into a Golem essentially gives you immortality and superpowers. The reason it's considered bad is the whole "no free will" thing.
The sole reason for that are the control rods, which have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the anvil itself.

Now correct me if I missed anything there, but for me the optimal choice would've been to keep the anvil, give Bhelen the throne and issue a ban on control rods.

 

[lleihsad]

I typically destroy it regardless of faction affiliation, but that's mostly because Branka is such a lunatic.

The reason Harrowmont's reign is a state of decline (at least in the ending I got) is because the notoriously hostile assembly stonewalls everything he tries except initiatives that "serve to further isolate" the Dwarves from the surface. Bhelen's success is as much due to his talent for strong-arming nobles as it is to his willingness to buck tradition.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Spoiler: Spoilers

well there is a good reason to destroy it. The golems are a crutch. If a kingdom cannot protect its own land without performing soul torture, then it doesn't deserve it. A kingdom's strength is people, not a morally questionable crutch. If the dwarves want their land they must fight for it by hand, not waiting for their cure all crutch to come back. Hell in some of the endings dwarves reclaim some of their land by force. The dwarves are capable of reclaiming their land, but they want the easy way out. If they can't be arsed to reclaim their history, former glory, and land then they didn't really want it at all.

Long story short a kingdom on a crutch is a collapse waiting to happen. It happened before, and it will happen again. The dwarves who complain of not being able to get their land back is like a non-crippled person wanting to walk but they don't because their wheel chair is too comfy.

Spoiler

Come now, you would toss aside a valuable resource in a never ending battle because of principles?

Spoiler

Principles? You act as if having principles is a super power. Well think about it. If the dwarves are so lazy that they can't defend their own land, what makes you think they will defend other people's land? The anvil is too powerful for a race that is clearly not capable of handling it. Unless the dwarves grow a pair, they are useless as a "resource". It may sound harsh but your tasked with building an army, not building the fort's garrison from F troop.

Spoiler

My Warden couldn't care less about the dwarves' future. He was worried about building an army to handle the immediate threat or there wouldn't be a future. He is a general trying to build an army, not some politician or mediator. The Golems created from the Anvil boosted his effort against the Blight. That is all that mattered to him.

 

[Fr]anc[is]

I kept it for the same reason I got the werewolves to kill off the Dalish: The sheer awesomeness of my unholy army at the end.

This is my reasoning as well, those golems are fucking awesome. Plus fuck those dalish pricks

Nobody has said this yet, but it doesn't matter who you pick as leader, they will both start to abuse the anvil

 

[Spacewolf]

i destroyed it and suppoted beheln i think i almost got the perfect good ending, dwarfs in good shape, alistair and anora on he throne with them becomeing loved ,fragile peace between the dalish and humans, dwarf writes book on use of lyrium and stays with the tower and grey wardens rebuilt by logain. Only bad spots where chantry on ozimmar, the ashes and possibly morrigan