It's nice to see that at least some people understand the history and point of feminism without it getting lost somewhere between "feminazi" and the "white-knight". This is a cool hack and provides a great launching pad for action and discussion on perception, feminism and video games more than any tropes series.BreakfastMan said:
Dad Alters Donkey Kong for His Daughter - With Pauline as the Hero
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Well, Tomb Raider is selling very well and that's got a female PC. They even under-sexualized her compared to other games (anyone who says that Lara in the new Tomb Raider is sexualized is a dimwit) , and show her as an actually good character instead of "Indiana Jones in a bra". Silent Hill 3 sold well, despite having a female PC. Men aren't as sexist overall as you lot may think, we really aren't. The average Joe doesn't care at all about who they play as in a game as long as the game's good. I'm a man, and I've got a group of friends that can definitely be considered true gamers, and none of them give a shit about whether the thing holding a gun is a man, woman, dog, cat or alien.Jenvas1306 said:
Well then, looks like another person who just doesn't get it. Pauline was already the hero in the original game.
Basically the story behind is this: Donkey Kong is Mario's abused pet who finally got sick of Mario's shit and decided to run away. Him grabbing Pauline is him taking the one good thing in his life away with him.
Also, this has been done before and was talked about on these forums, so people who are acting like this is a new thing, stop it, it isn't a new thing.
Basically the story behind is this: Donkey Kong is Mario's abused pet who finally got sick of Mario's shit and decided to run away. Him grabbing Pauline is him taking the one good thing in his life away with him.
Also, this has been done before and was talked about on these forums, so people who are acting like this is a new thing, stop it, it isn't a new thing.
So a father altered a game to have a female character because his daughter finds it uncomfortable to be a boy.Jenvas1306 said:
...and just like that we have turned a "girl power" moment into something to be ashamed of by inciting the idea that you have to be your own gender.
tell that certain gaming producers.ToastiestZombie said:
even though, for tomb raider I guess it sorta mattered, in a different way, why else would there be nude hacks? its not alone with mods like that aswell, even for alice you find stuff like that. hacks like that for duke nukem certainly dont make you look at his naked butt.
btw I dont assume all guys are sexist, but sexism still has too much influence where games are made and these days it gets twisted away from the actual point quite terribly.
Nude mods and hacks are for EVERY game with a female protagonist if it comes out on PC. Not all men are sexist, but a lot of us PC gamers are horny fucks. Also, Duke Nukem is a first person shooter so a nude mod for Duke Nukem himself is pretty redundant.Jenvas1306 said:
the point is that you should have a choice, unless like in alice case there are good reasons that the pc has to be either of the gendersToy Master Typhus said:
Im aware, just wanted to stay on the list of already mentioned games. Mario is allways 3rd person, but who would want to see the plumbers junk? its just triangles anyways. If its triangles in the shapes of boobs its suddenly different and trying to get lara into a corner to get a good look at her is a thing.ToastiestZombie said:
Its just something that makes me sad. got a game with a woman as the hero, she isnt a powerless plot device but people still have to objectify her like that.
I never look for artwork of samus just for that reason.
Mate, it's a fact of life that PC modders and artists will make porn and sexualized imagery of pretty much anything. Go onto rule 34.com and search for Mario, or don't (you get my point). I've seen tons of gay nude mods for Skyrim, Mass Effect and more. I've seen porn of pretty much anything in my browsin' days, nothing really surprises me anymore. My point is, the internet is full of horny bastards and will stay that way unless you kill everyone with a penis and most women. Just get used to it, nobody's going to change human nature. Just filter it out and enjoy the things for what they are instead of letting other people's actions affect them.Jenvas1306 said:
True. However, in this case, I was only talking about old 2D retro games.ToastiestZombie said:
I think I may have forgotten to mention that because I'm fresh off of the Tropes vs Women thread. The first video, Damsels in Distress, makes a point about all the captured women in retro games (as well as modern sequels, particularly the Mario and Zelda franchises) and the issues with all these games being re-released for mobile devices.
What I was saying is that simply swapping the 2D sprites like this very awesome Dad did would solve that problem completely. It doesn't help modern games, but they tend to suffer less from Damsel in Distress than retro titles. And it wouldn't even necessitate "changing" the classic retro games because the original mode would still be included - switching to "Dude in Distress, Damsel as Hero" would simply be an option (and both would still use original sprites). Thus classic games get to return but be less sexist. Win/win.
As far as modern games go, I am STILL going to insist on companies including female playable characters. But I am not going to suggest that it's a quick and easy character swap. That comment (on how this is easy feminism) was only meant to apply to retro titles.
Yeah, seriously. I hate the idea that, and I paraphrase:Jenvas1306 said:
"Everyone can relate to a male protagonist, but only women relate to a female protagonist."
That belief, held by SO many game producers (and producers of pretty much ALL media - this is why movies with female leads are (almost) always assumed to be directed at women while movies with male leads are assumed to be directed at everyone) is absoutely toxic and entirely incorrect. As noted by Toastiest Zombie and most other male gamers I've spoken with, most male gamers really don't care if their avatar is male or female.
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?Jenvas1306 said:
Hacks are just that - hacks. All that says is that one amateur (and immature) programmer, somewhere, felt like making a nude hack.
That would be like getting angry at - say - Nintendo because someone drew naked pictures of Link and posted them on Deviant Art.
Or like getting mad at the creators of Saint's Row 2 because I decided during my play-through to create flesh-tone underwear for my character(s) and thus avoid the blur filter while still being "naked". I didn't find the results particularly sexy, but it was really funny.
Not just this one. MANY retro games, including Super Mario Brothers and the Legend of Zelda, see women only as passive characters to be kidnapped and held hostage so that the player can rescue them.Hixy said:
These games basically say that women are too helpless to defend themselves - at best - or that women aren't really people and instead are objects to be won.
And video games are not the only media guilty of this **cough Twilight cough** - just one of the most frequent abusers of the cliche.
If you want a more thorough discussion on the topic, here, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6p5AZp7r_Q&feature=player_embedded&list=UU7Edgk9RxP7Fm7vjQ1d-cDA
And as far as being over-sensitive - how would you like it if the entire games media decided that men were worthless and unable to do anything themselves, and released nothing but games that showed men as weak, stupid, and helpless. For years. Would you like that? No? Then don't call me over-sensitive.
Edit: Before anyone misinterprets this, let me add the following:
One game using this trope, meh, no problem. Most games using it - big problem.
My point was that, in the case of retro games like this altered version of Donkey Kong, it is insanely easy to fix the problem. Just make the protagonist optional, as this Dad did. Suddenly the game shows both Jump Man and Pauline to be equal - equally likely to be kidnapped by a giant monkey, and equally likely to come to the rescue.
If other Damsel-in-Distress retro games did this, then suddenly they are no longer Damsel-in-Distress games. They show equality rather than sexism. All by making which sprite is the kidnap victim and which one is the protagonist optional. Just. That. Easy.
Once again, I'm only addressing Retro games here. The games currently being revived and ported to portable devices of various sorts in App form. Games like Donkey Kong.Hixy said:
None of the games you listed - good games, mind - are retro games.
As far as the link goes, she (finally) did her research for this series. I had many criticisms about her old videos - her new ones, while a bit stiff, are well researched and even two sided. Give it a look. It provides a list of Retro titles (all available on portable devices) that use the Damsel trope. Her list is longer than yours. Much.
One: Hacks have no bearing on the industry.Jenvas1306 said:
Two: You innocent, innocent soul. I've seen mods that would make you cry blood.
After all, what good is the ability to see the protagonist's junk if you can't multiply... its... size... expo...nen...tially?