Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

[DirtyJunkieScum]

What a dick, he could have given it to someone who deserved it instead of breaking it out of spite. Plenty of charities need computers.

 

[KnowYourOnion]

Yeah you can, a gun has one purpose and that is kill something very quickly from a distance. It's a tool of murder and that's it. A knife has other uses as does everything else you listed.

- Target practice for fun (at a gun club, or outside if it's legal in your respective area. Someone who also replied to the former guy i quoted asked why shooting a laptop is any different to people shooting soda cans etc. for fun)
- Show-off for friends (similarly to how many people like to have rifles hanging on their wall for decoration)
- Intimidation (scaring robbers away from your home, police ordering someone to get down on the ground etc. None of this requires firering the weapon or hurting someone)
- Simple scientific curiosity for many various reasons (ballistics is a rather interesting scientific field)
- Non-Lethal shooting (like shooting the tires of a truck on an out-of-control driver, which is a common police tactic in these scenarios)

Creativity seems to be a lost art these days. Think outside the box.

I compose music and write short stories which get published so I'm fairly creative thanks, and as I said earlier we're coming from different cultures here! In Britain we don't treat guns as a normal part of our lives, this trivialisation of firearms is anathema to me. I admit I worded my opinion poorly but we don't have guns hanging on our wall, we don't shoot cans with a .45! why the fuck would you shoot cans with a large calibre? Surely it's safest with a .22 air rifle, the end's the same and you're much less like to seriously injure someone if there's an accident.

The Police using in their guns in that way is fine, possibly a life or death scenario they need to be able to act quickly and efficiently shooting out the tyres is the lesser of two evils.

Simple scientific curiosity is great but you should do it in a safe area where you minimise the chances of an accident.

 

[Rallus]

That has to be the best parenting I have ever seen, really. How many parents would say they would put a bullet through your computer and then actually do it? That guy has guts to do that and I respect him for it.

 

[KnowYourOnion]

I believe it's an issue because so many people agree with the method he used. A gun is flat out a lethal tool. No one was in danger nor was he protecting anyone or himself. The fact that so many find this acceptable is deplorable.

A knife is also a lethal weapon. So is a car. So is a cooking pan. Or a spoon. Or your fists (if you hit hard enough).

You can't criticize the man for using a gun on a laptop any more than i can criticize you for cutting vegetables with a sharp knife. Almost anything can be used as a (lethal) weapon. It's what we use it for that matters.

Yeah you can, a gun has one purpose and that is kill something very quickly from a distance. It's a tool of murder and that's it. A knife has other uses as does everything else you listed.

Ok.. so your reasoning is, since a gun is a weapon for it's base usage, any use of the item that does not kill something is a dangerous misuse of the tool?

No it's a trivialisation of a dangerous tool which is even worse

 

[ph0b0s123]

I love the illogic with people and computers. Computer does not work properly, throw the monitor out the window, yeah cause it's the monitor's fault . Don't like Facebook, shoot a laptop, cause that will teach Facebook. People are idiots.

 

[dvd_72]

So his teenage daughter is going through a typical difficult rebellious "omg everything sucks" stage of her teenage life. I get that. I can also get his frustration with it, but good grief is this really a good way to handle this? I bet that his little firearm stunt is only going to escalate matters, where she retaliates by being more rebellious, and he shoots more things etc etc.

I'd call this bad parenting. If it's from a crazy american mindset, or the guy is simply crazy himself, I don't know. Just.... Christ did you have to use a weapon to prove your point? Does he think that breaking stuff is the only way to get through to his daughter?

 

[Athinira]

I compose music and write short stories which get published so I'm fairly creative thanks, and as I said earlier we're coming from different cultures here! In Britain we don't treat guns as a normal part of our lives, this trivialisation of firearms is anathema to me. I admit I worded my opinion poorly but we don't have guns hanging on our wall, we don't shoot cans with a .45! why the fuck would you shoot cans with a large calibre? Surely it's safest with a .22 air rifle, the end's the same and you're much less like to seriously injure someone if there's an accident.

I'm from Denmark, we don't have guns here either (although our police, unlike yours, carry guns, but most never use them. When i was conscripted, we had some police training with two veteran officers who had been in the force for 20+ years each. Neither of them had ever fired their guns in their practice except at the shooting range).

The problem in America is that since guns have always been legal to carry, there are so many firearms in circulation that it's impossible to stop. You can't just outlaw guns over there now, because all you will be doing is taking away the ability for common citizens to legally defend themselves in their own homes from violent robbers. Criminals will still have access to guns, and they will still actively use them, so in addition to all the armed burglaries, you will now also have to charge thousands of citizens with illegal weapons possession whenever they defended their home against (armed) burglars. That's what the anti-gun brigade over there fails to factor into account (although i do personally believe in more gun control over there. At least you shouldn't be able to get a permit to take your weapon out of your home, it should stay home for personal protection).

Legalizing guns obviously wouldn't be a good idea in neither Britain, nor Denmark, but prohibiting them in America isn't a good idea either. So in the context of weapons being legal to carry in America, you can't really blame the guy for using the gun the way he did. He handled the weapon safely, it happened on his private property and he didn't hurt, intend to hurt or aim the gun at any living being.

 

[Saviordd1]

Everyone's making a huge deal out of this for seemingly stupid reasons. He's an American, he is allowed to use his firearm that HE paid for anyway he wishes, there was no apparent risk to anyone else, and the laptop was basically his. I see no problem with this.

 

[zehydra]

I agree with the sentiment that destroying it was pointless. It was already taken away from her, why not give it away?

 

[Aeonknight]

I love the illogic with people and computers. Computer does not work properly, throw the monitor out the window, yeah cause it's the monitor's fault . Don't like Facebook, shoot a laptop, cause that will teach Facebook. People are idiots.

Something tells me you didn't read the OP or watch the video that goes with it.
Him shooting it had absolutely nothing to do with Facebook. He was sending his daughter a message. And considering her laptop now has a few new holes in it, I'd say she got it loud and clear.

 

[RagTagBand]

Can't be fucked with writing a long detailed response, so my TL;DR opinion is

Most teenagers are like this and most teenagers grow out of this phase, usually just in time to persecute the next generation for the same behavior.

Her dad is a moron and a drama-whore, his reaction is worse than the behavior he's trying to curb; He's little more than punishing a teenager for being a teenager by acting like a spoilt toddler. With a gun.

Bad Parent, Bad person. He can eat shit.

 

[Athinira]

Well, no. It's not that quite cut and dry, at least from my (very culturally swayed) perspective.

A sharp knife, a car, a cooking pot, and a spoon are all functional items used for something in every home. A gun is a tool that has one use, and a handgun in particular (as far as I know) is used only for the ending of human life.

Seeing someone use such a tool as a toy is kind of unsettling for someone such as myself. It just gives the impression, correct or not, that the person with the gun does not understand the seriousness of owning a gun. The thing is, it would be less expensive, less dangerous, and less 'scary' to simply smash the computer in with a hammer as you suggested, but the person in the video chose to use a killing weapon because it looked cool.

Again, for someone outside of the culture surrounding guns in America, it just doesn't sit right with me. Guns should be scary things, not toys.

See my other posts in this thread for ways to use a gun that doesn't involve someone dying. Guns (and weapons in general) have plenty of uses that doesn't involve stuff dying. As another very extreme example, nuclear weapons (although I'm in absolutely no favor of them) act much better as a threat than as an active weapon. Nowadays countries typically think twice before going to war with a nuclear power. That doesn't mean we go drop them on top of everyone's head (except in World War 2, where the Americans did what they do best...).

But anyway, the thing is: Guns shouldn't be handled like they're 'scary'. They're a tool, just like so many other tools, that just happens to be able to easily hurt people. Therefore they should be handled professionally and in accordance with good firearm practice. Good firearm practice has absolutely NOTHING to do with treating them as "scary". The latter is just a terrible idea.

Here is a list of what can be considered Good Firearm Practice when handling a firearm:
- Keep the safety on at all times (unless the weapon is in a state where the safety can't be put on, for example before loading, in which case the firearm can't fire at any rate).
- Keep the weapon unloaded when not using it (and when leaving it, even if only for a short while)
- Never point a weapon, even one that isn't loaded, at a living being or flail it randomly around. Keep the barrel facing the ground (1 yard in front of your feet) when handling the weapon and when transporting it around in a holster or in your hand.
- Always treat a weapon as loaded until you have personally confirmed that it isn't loaded.
- Exercise proper firearm maintenance to avoid misfires, jams and other firearm-related problems.

Of course it's not a pleasant thought if someone some day presses a gun up your neck, but that's not really different than someone putting a knife to your throat either, no matter what other practical purposes a knife may or may not have. At the end of the day, handling a firearm is no different than handling any other tool that can cause bodily harm, like for example driving a car or maintaining/operating factory machinery etc. As long as you follow the proper safety precautions then there isn't a problem. It's a tool, just like everything else, and you shouldn't be scared of it until someone threatens to kill you with it. Being scared of its mere existence is pointless and counterproductive.

 

[kaizen2468]

Total support this man. I've watched the video and read his followup statement and totally believe he was in the right. So he used a gun on a laptop, so what? It's more acceptable to go blow an intruder's brains out or shoot at a target? He didn't endanger anything(except the laptop he owned) or anyone so what's the problem? There are people on here saying he deserved to be shot instead of the laptop. What the hell is that about!?

She disrespected her parents in front of hundreds of people, who would in turn spread her stupid message to others. He responded via the same medium she did. Other punishments and discussions didn't work so what should he have done? Bend over and take the abuse of his own child like most parents do? No. Just no.

Of course all of us only saw a short video and don't have any idea what their day to day life is like but judging by all of this; He's a father who expects his daughter to work and not just coast by living off others. She obviously showed no appreciation for the things her parents provide her and hasn't learned the value of a dollar.

I bet she's learned it now.

 

[galdon2004]

I believe it's an issue because so many people agree with the method he used. A gun is flat out a lethal tool. No one was in danger nor was he protecting anyone or himself. The fact that so many find this acceptable is deplorable.

A knife is also a lethal weapon. So is a car. So is a cooking pan. Or a spoon. Or your fists (if you hit hard enough).

You can't criticize the man for using a gun on a laptop any more than i can criticize you for cutting vegetables with a sharp knife. Almost anything can be used as a (lethal) weapon. It's what we use it for that matters.

Yeah you can, a gun has one purpose and that is kill something very quickly from a distance. It's a tool of murder and that's it. A knife has other uses as does everything else you listed.

Ok.. so your reasoning is, since a gun is a weapon for it's base usage, any use of the item that does not kill something is a dangerous misuse of the tool?

No it's a trivialisation of a dangerous tool which is even worse

no, trivialization of a dangerous tool is people on TV spinning a gun wildly, tossing it in the air, catching it, shooting off handedly at targets, and generally displaying a radical disregard for safety.

He did this in as safe a manner as possible. Yeah you could see tiny specks of cars in the distance, but its not even close to 50 feet away from him as you suggested in a different post. I'd judge the cars to probably be about 300-400 feet from him. He clearly knows what he is doing when handling the gun, and he knows enough about gun safety to purchase bullets that do not ricochet.

The fear of a gun comes only from ignorance. The fact is, what he did was NOT unsafe. You just seem to be upset by the gun too much to realize how experience handling a weapon and proper preparation affects the chances of anything going wrong.

 

[Sparrow]

As an Englishman I can't help looking at this guy thinking "you are fucking insane", yet a lot of the people who post on that video seem to be treating this thing like the second coming of christ. My dad never shot my stuff when I messed up. He never tried to shame me over the internet and to my friends. He never acted off-the-chain crazy because I bad-mouthed him. And you know what? I turned out fine. Better than fine, really - I've set up a pretty decent life for myself.

So it is his daughter's problem she's a crazy ***** or is it his problem for raising her wrong? Guess that's a nature/nurture debate.

 

[Kinokohatake]

Oh no he used a gun! He's crazy because he used a gun. What a psycho because he used a gun. I am becoming more liberal as I get older but I will never understand the stupid knee jerk reaction any time a gun is used. He pointed it AT THE GROUND. Except for the invading Mole People, he couldn't have hurt a single person.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

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