Dante's New Do for the DmC Reboot/Origin Story

[cgentero]

Just the other day on the Capcom Unity forums a mod said it was a reboot and to forget everything we knew about DMC which irks me because Dante actually has a surprising amount of character depth despite peoples claim of him being one dimensional, though his main persona is the same in each game he undergoes quite a transformation throughout the series from thrill seeking(DMC3) to guilt ridden(DMC1) to cool headed(DMC4).

I used to own HS and I rented Enslaved so I know how NTs past games are, to be honest they ripoff a few games here and there(Ico\Uncharted\God of War mostly) but the single player is quite good with easy but fun gameplay and cliche but well told stories. My main complaint with their games are their lack of any sort of replay value, they are the perfect definition of rental.

I don't care for NT's psuedo-photorealism either but mostly I don't care for the "grimdark" and "super serious" aesthetic the trailer gave off, particularly Dante's become a clone of Kratos, that is angry and brutal and on a mission of revenge(every NT story has been about revenge whats with that). The fact that they wont to power down Dante to is quite annoying as Dante has always been about over the top stylishness.

Capcoms PR has been annoying too, they want people to have good faith and be optimistic that this will be "one of the greatest DMC game ever" essentially based on nothing, since you can't base anything off the trailer or NT's past games or Capcoms past outsourced games(unless it shows them in a positive light that is). Svenson mentioned playing it but Capcom has yet to show us any gameplay.

So yeah I'm a little pessimistic about this title as DMC game.

 

[ThisIsSnake]

I am really put off by the look, it takes itself too seriously. I'm half expecting Dante to now launch into emotional, angsty soliloquies when confronted with a boss rather than ride a missile around the room and act minorly inconvenienced by a sword through the gut. He'll quietly weep in the corner about being an orphan whilst old Dante beats a giant fly to death with a magic suitcase.

I just think they'll replace the complex frustratingly satisfying gameplay with a copy paste of God of War so they can deliver the emotional story filled journey we've clearly been wanting from a DMC game.

 

[gigastar]

I like how its pretty much us keeping the thread alive.

Then again, demon tech is quite plausible, especially with the Red Queen present.

Red Queen is a human-developed weapon. Not everything <url=http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Agnus>Agnus created was demon-powered.

I know, but a sword with an engine in it increases the plausibility factor by alot.

Though if the Order needed Devil Arms to power the hellgates in order to summon demons, how did they summon Gilgamesh, Pandora and Lucifer to be subjugated in the first place. In fact, how did they take down demons that are supposedly quite powerful when the Orders weapons ca be briefly described as inferior Red Queens?

I'm assuming that those three are not subjugated demons. They're simply demonic weapons tracked down and acquired somewhere (presumably left behind in the human world, since not every weapon is fully explained; see also Merciless and Vendetta). And demons are powerful, but not invincible. Dante can technically take most of them down with normal guns and a lot of ammunition.

I think its an understatement to say that Ebony & Ivory are anything but normal guns. That and perhaps one of the few things that hasnt been changed throughout the series is that E&I run off of Dante's demonic powers.

Also, how would weapons of such power go unnoticed for the some 2000 years scince Sparda sealed the demon world off? I think even with elaborate traps guarding them someone would have found one and figured out how to work them.

Before you hit me with the point that Devil Arms kill normal humans that try to wield them, Arkham kindly demonsrated that its possible for humans to become demons.

But then that would mean that Dante isn't really unable to Trigger with Force Edge/Sparda, so much as it simply wouldn't do anything. But then, he should have been able to use it gameplay-wise, since that increases regeneration. But...mutter mutter..

Yes, but really, the Force Edge in 1 is a sad joke compared to Alastor.

True, but the ability to at least regenerate while using Sparda (even without the other DT abilities) would have been convenient.

Only if you were playing a fresh file on anything higher than normal difficulty maybe.

On a fresh file, I wouldn't have enough magic to make triggering for regeneration and defense worthwhile.

Yes but on a completed file you would have access Alastor off the bat, not mentioning the Bangle of Time.

Yes, but that's not the point. Alastor isn't as powerful or cool-looking as Sparda. If it wasn't for the lack of magic, I'd only ever pull out Alastor for the chance to Vortex things to death.

And I never got the Bangle of Time. Never even knew it existed until I saw AccountingNightmare's LP (which is also where I found out that DMC2 gave devil triggered Dante and Lucia extra magic attacks).

Im actually wondering when she's going to get around to DMC4. If im right, its been 2 years scince she did DMC3.

Its supposed to be very effective on Berial, especially if you use Bondage followed by Ecstacy.
[sub]Quietly laughing at the absurd naming scheme behind the lucifer's attacks...[/sub]

Ah, the chance to Discipline a giant centaur-esque fire demon. Either that, or simply stand back, summon a bunch of swords, then run close to him and Climax.

Joins the laughter...

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[Cathartic.React]

OhWow, I'm glad to see this is still here.

Thanks to all of those who reply with their opinions and discussions, I'm really grateful.

I'll try to comment back to some more of you, but it's still a little early where I'm at so I'll get to it sometime later.

Again, thanks for your honesty and civility; keeping it classy as always escapist members. [/smile]

 

[NeutralDrow]

I like how its pretty much us keeping the thread alive.

Then again, demon tech is quite plausible, especially with the Red Queen present.

Red Queen is a human-developed weapon. Not everything <url=http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Agnus>Agnus created was demon-powered.

I know, but a sword with an engine in it increases the plausibility factor by alot.

I find a sword with a motor to be more plausible than Lady, with her supposedly human acrobatic abilities and lack of health regeneration. Who nonetheless scales a demonic tower and fights a half-demon at the end while being effectively hamstrung. Unless she uses magic bandages.

Not counting Dante, though. I know some people say he completely screws over physics, but I think he treated physics out to a pleasant evening a night of lovemaking, and she therefore lets him get away with more.

Though if the Order needed Devil Arms to power the hellgates in order to summon demons, how did they summon Gilgamesh, Pandora and Lucifer to be subjugated in the first place. In fact, how did they take down demons that are supposedly quite powerful when the Orders weapons ca be briefly described as inferior Red Queens?

I'm assuming that those three are not subjugated demons. They're simply demonic weapons tracked down and acquired somewhere (presumably left behind in the human world, since not every weapon is fully explained; see also Merciless and Vendetta). And demons are powerful, but not invincible. Dante can technically take most of them down with normal guns and a lot of ammunition.

I think its an understatement to say that Ebony & Ivory are anything but normal guns. That and perhaps one of the few things that hasnt been changed throughout the series is that E&I run off of Dante's demonic powers.

Except for the occasional charged shots and the demon-powered infinite ammo, though, they're just normal modified handguns. And that's still not counting the inevitable shotguns, explosives launchers, tank rifle, and submachine guns.

Also, how would weapons of such power go unnoticed for the some 2000 years scince Sparda sealed the demon world off? I think even with elaborate traps guarding them someone would have found one and figured out how to work them.

They did. It's just that some of the people who disarmed the traps and reverse-engineered the weapons were Order of the Sword members, presumably tracking down and verifying rumors, or possibly buying or stealing them from previous owners (they managed to find Yamato somehow, after all).

Just because Sparda sealed off Hell 2000 years previously doesn't mean some demons don't still slip through the cracks. If no demons ever made it through without a hellgate, Dante would be out of a job, and his mother would probably still be alive. And I think Agnus said that it's possible for humans to magically summon demons.

Before you hit me with the point that Devil Arms kill normal humans that try to wield them, Arkham kindly demonsrated that its possible for humans to become demons.

So did Sanctus, Agnus, Credo, and even Arius, for that matter. No, that's not a point I would ever claim.

Im actually wondering when she's going to get around to DMC4. If im right, its been 2 years scince she did DMC3.

I know, right? I remember her expressing enthusiasm for DMC4 being a great game to LP, but she decided to go in order with 3...

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They accomplish similar things, though. I think I'll keep small for muttering comments...though I didn't know sub did this, so thanks!

 

[Trolldor]

I remember reading somewhere (possibly here) that Dante's appearence is based on the head of NT or something. They had photos and everything to prove it.

 

[OtherSideofSky]

He doesn't like the idea of people who didn't create Dante, who made a character he grew to love, doing an origins story.

That, I think, is a valid complaint. It isn't their character. Adding on to his story would be okay, but creating that story is kind of an issue. Plus, I think the trailer I saw looked like shit, and even I hate his new design, but I won't be playing regardless.

What you're forgetting here is that the people who created the character only made the first game. Everything else, including 3, which was a prequel, was made by other people with little to no input from the original creator, who no longer works for the company. Complaining about it at this point just seems silly.

As far as the new look goes, I really like the idea of seeing Dante as a punk kid although I not sure the developer can pull off that kind of gameplay.

I am continually mystified by the angry mobs who seem to think that this is what "emo" looks like and am forced to assume that they are mostly the same idiots who couldn't tell that Bayonetta got its proportions from high fasion art.

 

[Halo Fanboy]

It's more about the smug disrespect that Ninja Theory has for the series and character. Also the aesthetics are bad. The graphical engine is a downgrade. And Ninja Theory is a horrible developer.

 

[Halo Fanboy]

Though if the Order needed Devil Arms to power the hellgates in order to summon demons, how did they summon Gilgamesh, Pandora and Lucifer to be subjugated in the first place. In fact, how did they take down demons that are supposedly quite powerful when the Orders weapons ca be briefly described as inferior Red Queens?

I'm assuming that those three are not subjugated demons. They're simply demonic weapons tracked down and acquired somewhere (presumably left behind in the human world, since not every weapon is fully explained; see also Merciless and Vendetta). And demons are powerful, but not invincible. Dante can technically take most of them down with normal guns and a lot of ammunition.

The Gilgamesh, Pandora and Lucifer are weapons that originally belonged to Dante and were stolen from him according to the DMC4 book.

 

[Cathartic.React]

I am continually mystified by the angry mobs who seem to think that this is what "emo" looks like and am forced to assume that they are mostly the same idiots who couldn't tell that Bayonetta got its proportions from high fasion art.

As am I. I really don't understand the "emo" comparisons. Sure he looks rather grungy (and I certainly don't have a problem with that, I find it pretty attractive, but to each his own) At least he's doing something about his problems and fighting rather then cowering in a corner of self-loathing.

I really wish people would take a little more care in assigning looks to sub-cultures so as not to spread the wrong idea.

 

[OrokuSaki]

I don't have any opinion on his look for good or ill. What it actually makes me is "curious." I want to know what the story background is behind why he looks like that then as opposed to his familiar style now.

So yeah, I'm looking forward to the game quite a lot.

If the game were a PREQUEL instead of a reboot showing Dante's tough years as a teenager instead of "Discovering his powers" (Which he was BORN WITH SEE GAME 1

Um...you do know that is what this is, right? A prequel, that is.

And it's not like the games are completely immune to retcons. Dante doesn't even start with devil trigger in 3 and 1, but it's become innate in 4 and 2. He wasn't born knowing how to do everything.

Of course he didn't have an innate knowledge of it, but the power was still always there. It's like waking up one morning and "discovering" you can breathe through your nose. But that still doesn't excuse the change in the entire atmosphere of the game.

And for the record, the game was in fact announced as a reboot from the very beginning, hence the lack of a number. It's more likely than not a ploy to see how the game is received before declaring it either cannon or non-cannon. That in particular bothers me about the whole production.

 

[OrokuSaki]

I'd be ok with the new look if they changed his hair all white instead of looking like he skinned a skunk and shoved it on his head. If the game were a PREQUEL instead of a reboot showing Dante's tough years as a teenager instead of "Discovering his powers" (Which he was BORN WITH SEE GAME 1)I'd ecstatic. But really my main gripe is the hair, it looks ridiculous.

IT IS A PREQUEL! The plot is about him BEFORE game 3, which is chronologically the first game (it goes 3->1->4->2 and the new one goes before 3) so he discovered his Demon Powers in 3, they were enhanced by weapons in 1, and customizable in 2, it shows progression. Honestly I'll be pissed if he can use ANY demon powers in this new one, cause that would retcon it to hell.

OT: I don't really care about his looks, I care about the combat, if it plays like 3, I'll love it to bits.

It was announced as a reboot from the very beginning. They may declare it a prequel if the game goes over well, but more likely it will be a flop like 2008's Prince of Persia which Capcom will pretend never happened and continue on with a DMC5.

Dante claimed from the very start of the game to have always known he had powers. They may have come to fruition in game 3, but I'm fairly certain that invulnerability is something that you learn about very quickly. And if the powers of Dante have been in progression then what did he gain from DMC4?

And HIS looks are only part of the gripe, they removed the whole Gothic art style of the game itself. Also the game is going to be designed by ninja theory who have little grasp of gameplay.

 

[Arisato-kun]

As long as Dante looks like he does in 3 by the end then I really have no issue with it. More Devil May Cry is always good.

 

[Denariax]

The mere fact that changed my mind is that the 'reboot' is a textbook remake of the Devil May Cry novel.

It would explain why he changed his look, the black hair, and the guy that no one seems to recognize speaking (DENVERS).

Go read the book and tell me that story wouldn't be an awesome game.

 

[pyramid head grape]

I like his new look. I know its unpopular (along wtih liking the new lara croft, which I also do), but change is good, and this new dante tells so much more story without actually telling a story then the old one does.

you are not alone LOLz.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Well, the creator of the original DMC, Hideki Kamiya already has expressed his severe dislike of the new look, and I can only agree with him, ~that~ is not Dante we have there. Nothing in that trailer felt like anything we're used to seeing in DMC.

And frankly, any DMC game that is not made with Kamiya's involvement, and much more so when it's not even directly made by Capcom, isn't canonical in my book. This is a fanfic/fan-game that we're forced to pay for. I'll pass~