Dark Souls DLC coming to Consoles this Winter

[ultrabiome]

you guys forget that both sony and microsoft force publishers to charge for additional content. when was the last time you got free DLC on consoles besides patches?

You clearly don't know what your talking about.

instead of basically calling me an idiot, how about some examples? every piece of non-patch DLC i've ever gotten on PSN has had a price tag.

 

[Stripes]

Fuck that. So PC gets it for free whilst we have to shell out 1200 MP for it? What a joke, why the hell do they deserve it for free and we dont? I paid the same freaking price they will so why wont I get it for free? Dont try and say you pay more for early access, PC users can only get it just now yet get a better deal for the same price. How is this fair?

It is content clearly made after the game came out. Why shouldn't they charge for it? Including it for free on the PC port is obviously to help sells on that platform.

And charging for it on console helps sell it there? You get it free so why dont we? You shouldnt have waited so long but we dont deserve to be second rate to you either.

Me? I bought it on the PS3 at launch. This is just like GOTY editions of games. It pays to wait.

I pay the same as them, get less. I cant see the sense in that.

Don't buy the games at launch and wait for price drops/special editions. Problem solved.

If they were charging on PC then it would be fine. They arent charging on PC, whilst PC has had to wait they havent been able to buy the game and therefore you cant claim they have been holding off like you suggest I do. I dont want them to charge at all. If they make it free then its a thanks to the console gamers who supported demon's souls and dark souls and a welcoming gift to the PC market, makes the whole thing more popular cementing it on PC. Smiles all round. They get it free when they buy the only edition available as soon as its available. It is not the same as holidng off for a GOTY edition. I wont pay for DLC which is free on another platform due to preferential treatment. Its a principle thing. If they make it free thats great and if they start charging on PC then it wouldnt be better but it would be fair. Right now it isnt fair and so it shouldnt be tolerated. Of course its fine apparently because its a console problem and we know those dont exist, PC is the only platform which gets marginalised. Thats the attitude around here and its infuriating.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Fuck that. So PC gets it for free whilst we have to shell out 1200 MP for it? What a joke, why the hell do they deserve it for free and we dont? I paid the same freaking price they will so why wont I get it for free? Dont try and say you pay more for early access, PC users can only get it just now yet get a better deal for the same price. How is this fair?

It is content clearly made after the game came out. Why shouldn't they charge for it? Including it for free on the PC port is obviously to help sells on that platform.

And charging for it on console helps sell it there? You get it free so why dont we? You shouldnt have waited so long but we dont deserve to be second rate to you either.

Me? I bought it on the PS3 at launch. This is just like GOTY editions of games. It pays to wait.

I pay the same as them, get less. I cant see the sense in that.

Don't buy the games at launch and wait for price drops/special editions. Problem solved.

If they were charging on PC then it would be fine. They arent charging on PC, whilst PC has had to wait they havent been able to buy the game and therefore you cant claim they have been holding off like you suggest I do. I dont want them to charge at all. If they make it free then its a thanks to the console gamers who supported demon's souls and dark souls and a welcoming gift to the PC market, makes the whole thing more popular cementing it on PC. Smiles all round. They get it free when they buy the only edition available as soon as its available. It is not the same as holidng off for a GOTY edition. I wont pay for DLC which is free on another platform due to preferential treatment. Its a principle thing. If they make it free thats great and if they start charging on PC then it wouldnt be better but it would be fair. Right now it isnt fair and so it shouldnt be tolerated. Of course its fine apparently because its a console problem and we know those dont exist, PC is the only platform which gets marginalised. Thats the attitude around here and its infuriating.

I can recognize a debate that is going nowhere. So this is where I agree to disagree.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

I pay the same as them, get less. I cant see the sense in that.

I bought Fallout: New Vegas at release for 60 bucks, then bought all of the DLC for 40. It cost me $100 to get all of the content for the game. Today, you can buy the game of the year edition, which includes all of the DLC, for about 40 bucks. How is this fair? Because the value of games drop over time.

PC gamers aren't paying $60 for Dark Souls, they're paying $45 for the game, plus $15 for the DLC. You can buy the console version of Dark Souls today for much less than it was at release. Probably less than $45. The game has been out for almost a year, and its price has dropped.

If you're complaining that people have to pay less now for a game you got at release, maybe you should stop buying games right when they come out.

 

[Stripes]

I pay the same as them, get less. I cant see the sense in that.

I bought Fallout: New Vegas at release for 60 bucks, then bought all of the DLC for 40. It cost me $100 to get all of the content for the game. Today, you can buy the game of the year edition, which includes all of the DLC, for about 40 bucks. How is this fair? Because the value of games drop over time.

PC gamers aren't paying $60 for Dark Souls, they're paying $45 for the game, plus $15 for the DLC. You can buy the console version of Dark Souls today for much less than it was at release. Probably less than $45. The game has been out for almost a year, and its price has dropped.

If you're complaining that people have to pay less now for a game you got at release, maybe you should stop buying games right when they come out.

That was not my argument and you know it. The game would be selling at $60/£40 with or without DLC on PC. Its the standard release price. Because the game has not been out on PC its release on other platforms should not effect the price because it hasnt been around for the price to fall. They pay the same price but get more. That is not fair, its not complicated and it is not acceptable.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

That was not my argument and you know it. The game would be selling at $60/£40 with or without DLC on PC. Its the standard release price. Because the game has not been out on PC its release on other platforms should not effect the price because it hasnt been around for the price to fall. They pay the same price but get more. That is not fair, its not complicated and it is not acceptable.

I doubt that, if the game didn't come with DLC, it would still sell for full price on the PC. Regardless if this is the first time it's been out for the PC, the game itself has still existed for a year. It would be silly to charge $60 for the PC version when you could get the game on consoles for half that price. They get around that by including the DLC. That way, you're getting about the same amount of game as you would buying the game for a console today plus the DLC.

 

[Stripes]

How bout no? People arent forced to play on PC they choose to. They know that it is generally a more expensive platform and they are willing to foot the bill for it. Consoles are certainly cheaper but that doesnt mean they deserve higher prices in DLC and games because of it. If you take hardware out of the equation you will see that PC is getting more for the same price, no matter when you buy it on consoles no matter what price oyu buy it at it is inherently more expensive to get the full game on console.

Did you read what I just said? I mentioned that it's pretty much going to be a direct port from the xbox360 version. They're aware that it is. As such, it'll lack a few things a full on proper port will have. You can consider the free dlc a gift to make up for that, if it makes you feel better.

The argument that pc gaming is generally more expensive anyway is just silly, I'm afraid. What does the price of the platform have to do with anything?

You're asking a bit too much, to be honest. Do you think porting the game to pc, and creating the dlc cost nothing whatsoever? They want to make at least some profit, y'know. Of course, they will make a pretty large amount of money from pc sales only, but will it be enough?

Last, but by no means least, I'm going to point back to the point RedEyes made. Consider it to be a GOTY edition. You could compare it to Morrowind and its expansions. When Morrowind, Tribunal, and Blood Moon came out, you had to pay full price for them on release. Later, though, the GOTY edition came around. You could get all three of em for the same price as the original game was. I actually have that game right next to me, on my desk...

You were saying it should be cheaper because console gaming is less expensive, of course the price of the platform is an issue if you make it one. It isnt a game of the year because it is being released under different conditions on different platforms, this is preferential treatment. It is free on the PC market yet not on the console one. Of course it costs money to make a port, but they should make that back in game sales, of course it costs money to make DLC, but if they want to charge for it they cant force on platform to take the hit for the others. It has taken months and months to come out on PC after it was announced, therefore im willing to bet its gonna be a pretty good port. What do you mean by direct port anyway? Its going to be the same game sure but it will be adapted to suit the PC controls wise id imagine so I really dont see what you are getting at here, were you expecting a different game or something? ( I dont mean to ridicule and im not being sarcastic im genuinely confused). You seem to think that because it costs money to make games then it is fine to charge one platform but not another. I apoligise if it offends you that that is my interpretation but you arent being very clear by what you mean.

 

[Sleepy Sol]

This is pretty great news to me. It means I won't be so lonely anymore in Dark Souls!

Even if it's 1200 points I'm glad to see them keeping the game alive and supporting it.

 

[Stripes]

That was not my argument and you know it. The game would be selling at $60/£40 with or without DLC on PC. Its the standard release price. Because the game has not been out on PC its release on other platforms should not effect the price because it hasnt been around for the price to fall. They pay the same price but get more. That is not fair, its not complicated and it is not acceptable.

I doubt that, if the game didn't come with DLC, it would still sell for full price on the PC. Regardless if this is the first time it's been out for the PC, the game itself has still existed for a year. It would be silly to charge $60 for the PC version when you could get the game on consoles for half that price. They get around that by including the DLC. That way, you're getting about the same amount of game as you would buying the game for a console today plus the DLC.

You just said without the DLC it would be cheaper, I dont understand you at all as your disagreeing with me by making the same point im making. People wanted the game on PC, if they dont want to play it on consoles, which is fine, then why should they be treated as if they do? It is just being released on PC, the price has not got the time to drop yet they are giving more for the same price it was new on consoles. This is preferential treatment and no one seems to care because its beneficial to the PC, if it was the other way round I would be the majority.

 

[suitepee7]

Are you kidding? They're going to complain about the fact that it's not going to be free. That the PC people are getting this content for free, but that they're being forced to have to pay for it. More than likely, they'll mention CD Projekt RED and how they didn't charge under similar circumstances with the Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition. Then somebody will start a petition.

CD Projekt is crazy (in a good way). They really shouldn't complain, because as others have mentioned, it's clearly content made way after the initial release of the game. It's also optional content. Those who're going to complain about it are silly.

Please don't give me the "but people who buy it on pc get it for free!" argument. Those who think that are clearly forgetting that to get the dlc for "free" you'd first have to actually buy the full game.

PC gamers will pay $40, and they'll get the full game AND the extra bits.
Console gamers already paid $40 for the full game, but now they'll have to pay an extra $15 to get the extra bits.

and console gamers also got to play it considerably earlier. consider this to be a GOTY edition. same price as it was at launch, but with bonus content added in. at the end of the day, it is their decision what they give away and what they charge for, and this is their decision.

 

[malestrithe]

Are you kidding? They're going to complain about the fact that it's not going to be free. That the PC people are getting this content for free, but that they're being forced to have to pay for it. More than likely, they'll mention CD Projekt RED and how they didn't charge under similar circumstances with the Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition. Then somebody will start a petition.

Kind of like the ones the PC gamers created that basically said:

1) Give us the game.
2) Give us the game in our desired format.

I know that Dark Souls conversations tend to bring out the worse of gamers on both sides, but this console gamer is not going to complain about it. I am not signing any petitions, nor am I going to ***** about paying 15 dollars equivalent whenever I get around to doing getting it. This console gamer simply does not care that much about the DLC one way or another.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

You just said without the DLC it would be cheaper, I dont understand you at all as your disagreeing with me by making the same point im making. People wanted the game on PC, if they dont want to play it on consoles, which is fine, then why should they be treated as if they do? It is just being released on PC, the price has not got the time to drop yet they are giving more for the same price it was new on consoles. This is preferential treatment and no one seems to care because its beneficial to the PC, if it was the other way round I would be the majority.

My point was that it doesn't matter that it just released for the PC, they can't charge full price for just the basic game. For one thing, there would be a huge price difference between the console and PC versions, which is bad marketing. Secondly, PC gamers have had to wait a year to buy the game. If they had to pay the same price as we did on release day, that would be a bit of a slap in the face. Therefore, they include the DLC with the full price game.

PC gamers aren't getting the DLC for free. $60 is about what the game costs to buy both the game and the DLC on the console, and that's what they're paying.

 

[malestrithe]

you guys forget that both sony and microsoft force publishers to charge for additional content. when was the last time you got free DLC on consoles besides patches?

I got the Joker's side mission stuff, as well as a challenge mode in Arkham Asylum for free.

Arkham City gave me a Year One skin for free.

I got a different skin for Cole's weapon in inFAMOUS 2 for free.

I was given a lot of extra features and modes for Ultimate Marvel Versus Capcom 3 without paying a solitary red cent for it.

About half the extras for Cross Edge was free.

Are you going to revise that statement to exclude minor things because they somehow don't count now that I brought them up?

 

[viranimus]

Winter is coming. This DLC is dark and full of terrors!

/joy!

EDIT: Side note. Anyone ever wonder what an entire planet of meteorologists would look like they need look no further than Westeros where everyone makes it a point to remind you of the weather.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Sniptacular

Shouldn't you also complain about the price of the console game going down over time too then? Since you bought it on release for £40 or w/e and I recently got it for £20 on amazon, is it unfair that I got it at a better price than you? That's kind of what your logic is suggesting.

I'll end up getting dark souls + the DLC for the same price or even less than the PC players will (even though I'm considering just getting it on PC), due to me buying it later, PC players are also paying less overall for the actual game due to getting it later. I don't see why that's different to the game falling in price over time.

 

[Stripes]

Sniptacular

Shouldn't you also complain about the price of the console game going down over time too then? Since you bought it on release for £40 or w/e and I recently got it for £20 on amazon, is it unfair that I got it at a better price than you? That's kind of what your logic is suggesting.

I'll end up getting dark souls + the DLC for the same price or even less than the PC players will (even though I'm considering just getting it on PC), due to me buying it later, PC players are also paying less overall for the actual game due to getting it later. I don't see why that's different to the game falling in price over time.

Stop twisting my argument. The PC market is not the same market as the console market. They are independant of each other, if the price falls on one that doesnt mean it must fall on the other. Prices do fall over time but they dont start of low right out of the gate, which is what you seem to think is the case with this game. With or without DLC it would be the same price upon release as it was on consoles, yet they receive more. This is inequality across platforms, it is not acceptable when consoles get a better deal but apparently it is when PCs get a better deal. Thats illogical, it is not hard.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

This is inequality across platforms, it is not acceptable when consoles get a better deal but apparently it is when PCs get a better deal. Thats illogical, it is not hard.

Well I didn't say that, I'd say its acceptable for both if there's a time delay, after all, it's not a new game, it's a port. I'd feel ripped off if I paid full price for a port of a 1 year old game, because there's considerably less work in porting a game than there is making it.
I'd say it's even fair for the prices to be different on simultaneous releases, because there's a lot less hoops to jump through for a PC release than on console.