Dark Souls - I'm Prepared To Die (Again)

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I honestly don?t know why I?d expected anything BUT this sort of treatment from Dark Souls, but I still managed to somehow be shocked to find that atop the $14.99 cost for the DLC, an additional price for admission was an IMMEDIATE boss fight. Sanctuary Guardian was quite aggressive. It was not unlike coming home after a long day?s work to a dog that was overly excited to see me, except instead of a ?dog,? it was a giant winged electro-lion with a scorpion for an ass, and instead of ?excited,? it was extremely pissed. He took, let?s say, ?a few? tries. Correct me if I?m wrong, but he has the largest move set of any boss I?ve faced thus far? I think that?s why I struggled; every time I learned how to deal with one attack, he pulled another trick out of his ass. I finally had to consult a wiki to see if he had any weaknesses; thank God for Bleeding and my +15 Uchigatana.

And with the demise of the Sanctuary Guardian, the Royal Wood opened up to me. Anyone else notice that the Royal Wood is just a re-skin of the Darkroot Basin? I noticed crossing the bridge into the Royal Wood that it felt oddly reminiscent of leaving Sif?s arena, then the whole landscape started ringing bells, even down to Alvina?s little dilapidated enclosure. I really hope the rest of the DLC isn?t just re-skins; I?m sure From?s better than that, so I?m reserving any judgment until I get deeper into it.
 

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Xprimentyl said:
I honestly don?t know why I?d expected anything BUT this sort of treatment from Dark Souls, but I still managed to somehow be shocked to find that atop the $14.99 cost for the DLC, an additional price for admission was an IMMEDIATE boss fight. Sanctuary Guardian was quite aggressive. It was not unlike coming home after a long day?s work to a dog that was overly excited to see me, except instead of a ?dog,? it was a giant winged electro-lion with a scorpion for an ass, and instead of ?excited,? it was extremely pissed. He took, let?s say, ?a few? tries. Correct me if I?m wrong, but he has the largest move set of any boss I?ve faced thus far? I think that?s why I struggled; every time I learned how to deal with one attack, he pulled another trick out of his ass. I finally had to consult a wiki to see if he had any weaknesses; thank God for Bleeding and my +15 Uchigatana.

And with the demise of the Sanctuary Guardian, the Royal Wood opened up to me. Anyone else notice that the Royal Wood is just a re-skin of the Darkroot Basin? I noticed crossing the bridge into the Royal Wood that it felt oddly reminiscent of leaving Sif?s arena, then the whole landscape started ringing bells, even down to Alvina?s little dilapidated enclosure. I really hope the rest of the DLC isn?t just re-skins; I?m sure From?s better than that, so I?m reserving any judgment until I get deeper into it.
It's not. the city,the arena and what lies below are actually new area. The reskin is because you're in the past, and they help put the area into context.

Someone actually compared the maps for the DLC and the main game and apparently the maps actually sync up realistically. I'll see if I can find them.
 

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Dalisclock said:
It's not. the city,the arena and what lies below are actually new area. The reskin is because you're in the past.
*smacks forehead* I probably should have known that; I remember Dusk saying something about being "from a time long ago" or something to that effect. I guess I missed that potentiality because I thought I was being transported to Oolacile for the DLC.
 

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Xprimentyl said:
I honestly don?t know why I?d expected anything BUT this sort of treatment from Dark Souls, but I still managed to somehow be shocked to find that atop the $14.99 cost for the DLC, an additional price for admission was an IMMEDIATE boss fight. Sanctuary Guardian was quite aggressive. It was not unlike coming home after a long day?s work to a dog that was overly excited to see me, except instead of a ?dog,? it was a giant winged electro-lion with a scorpion for an ass, and instead of ?excited,? it was extremely pissed. He took, let?s say, ?a few? tries. Correct me if I?m wrong, but he has the largest move set of any boss I?ve faced thus far? I think that?s why I struggled; every time I learned how to deal with one attack, he pulled another trick out of his ass. I finally had to consult a wiki to see if he had any weaknesses; thank God for Bleeding and my +15 Uchigatana.
If you go back to that boss room later there are 2 guardians in there, also, talk to the mushroom lady in the room with all the creepy statues round the bonfire for a vendor and some lore.
And with the demise of the Sanctuary Guardian, the Royal Wood opened up to me. Anyone else notice that the Royal Wood is just a re-skin of the Darkroot Basin? I noticed crossing the bridge into the Royal Wood that it felt oddly reminiscent of leaving Sif?s arena, then the whole landscape started ringing bells, even down to Alvina?s little dilapidated enclosure. I really hope the rest of the DLC isn?t just re-skins; I?m sure From?s better than that, so I?m reserving any judgment until I get deeper into it.
If you talk to the NPCs in there you can figure out that this is the past, this is Darkroot before it became Darkroot, complete with the precursors of the walking hedgerows and stone knights that you can find in Darkroot.
 

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UPDATE!!

They finally got my Internets back up JUST today, and the first thing I did was download the DLC. THIS is going to be an adventure; unlike Vanilla Souls, I know basically nothing about the DLC. I have seen a few of the boss fights a couple of times, but not enough to know what to expect other than teeth-gnashing frustration. Either way, I'm looking forward to some more Souls! Spending the last few days with only Gwyn left to fight, I was going stir crazy trying to find things to do! I have a +10 Fire Zweihander now and working on a max Magic weapon for that achievement since I know where the Blue Slab is, I just have to get it. Maybe I can wipe out all the max weapon achievements prior to NG+? Kind of brings 100% completion near the realm of the same area code as the distant outskirts of remotest iota of feasibility, but not going to get my hopes up; having to fight O&S TWICE more in NG+ and NG+2 (since this genius right here didn't make a weapon with Smough's soul in NG) sounds about as appealing as flossing my ass crack with rusty barbed wire, so depending on how my attempt in NG+ goes, I might give up on that pipe dream.

EDIT: Just read up on the achievement list, and it likely ain't about to happen in my lifetime. None of it seems undoable, but I'm all but guaranteed to screw myself out of some of the "Acquire all..." achievements; I know I will. I'll lose track of one of the HUNDREDS of implicit cause-effect relationships and cause some vendor to go nuts and refuse to sell me miracles or something... Makes me sad.
Don't sweat it. The first playthrough is always an unknown. I managed to Plat Demon's Souls in the min. number of playthrough's with much less guidance my first time. Materials for rare weapons are much more difficult to acquire too due to Crystal Lizards having limited appearances even if you don't kill them, world/character tendencies are critical even offline, and farming in general is tougher.

It may surprise you how quickly you'll start checking off stuff after your first run. Just remember the pre-NG+ link a few posts back, since that will save most of the hassle.

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Fox12 said:
There's a wall with a dev message in front of it. Equip your sunlight maggot helm when you get there. You'll find a unique item that will help you during the final boss.

The boss's in this game are an absolute blast to fight, by the way.
I'd say one of the DLC bosses is my favourite one in the game... The entire DLC is really high quality, especially compared to the late game areas of the main game like the Catacombs or Izalith which are noticeably rushed compared to the early - mid parts of the game.
I thought Catacombs were pretty tight. Not the funnest level first time, but once you learn the design it's actually pretty fun.

mysecondlife said:
Just wanted to drop in and say good on you for keeping everyone updated on this thread.
It really made me want to get a similar thread related to Bloodborne (a game I bought but never started), but don't feel confident that I can keep this kind of thread going on consistent basis due to my lack of time.
Now that would be interesting as well. I actually tried it for the first time this weekend, and really dug it. It's like leaner, meaner Souls with all the stops pulled out. Can't wait to really get into it.
 

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Fox12 said:
There's a wall with a dev message in front of it. Equip your sunlight maggot helm when you get there. You'll find a unique item that will help you during the final boss.
I meant to ask you: "there" being where exactly?

mysecondlife said:
Just wanted to drop in and say good on you for keeping everyone updated on this thread.
It really made me want to get a similar thread related to Bloodborne (a game I bought but never started), but don't feel confident that I can keep this kind of thread going on consistent basis due to my lack of time.
Thanks for the feedback, but I'm not keeping this thread going alone; it's all these fine folks willing to help me out; I probably would have quit again if all I had was wikis and YouTube.
 

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Welp, THAT hurt a lot. You guys could have warned me that Artorias was basically at the BEGINNING of the DLC content!! I was NOT prepared at ALL; I was actually running from a Stone Guardian which managed to make it down the elevator with me, was down to 2 flasks, basically no health and my goddamn super slow +10 Fire Zweihander equipped to my right hand. I ran for the fog wall out of desperation and straight into an ass-whooping for the ages.

Knowing being half the battle as my good friend and mentor General Infantry Joe once told me, I prepared and gave ol? Arty another honest go? and another? and 4 more others before my lunch hour was up; the best I was able to do was to whittled him down to about a third his health. I don?t know, man; he?s relentless and also sports a vastly more extensive move set than previous bosses, one which seems tailored to exploit my every move before I even make it. His wiki isn?t very encouraging either; immune or resistant to everything in my arsenal and it turns out that purple charging thing he was doing wasn?t the cue for a AoE attack; he was buffing himself! Yes, his backstory is indeed sad and tragic, but it doesn?t change or excuse the fact that he?s an asshole, one whose abyss-walking days are most certainly numbered?
 

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Welp, THAT hurt a lot. You guys could have warned me that Artorias was basically at the BEGINNING of the DLC content!! I was NOT prepared at ALL; I was actually running from a Stone Guardian which managed to make it down the elevator with me, was down to 2 flasks, basically no health and my goddamn super slow +10 Fire Zweihander equipped to my right hand. I ran for the fog wall out of desperation and straight into an ass-whooping for the ages.

Knowing being half the battle as my good friend and mentor General Infantry Joe once told me, I prepared and gave ol? Arty another honest go? and another? and 4 more others before my lunch hour was up; the best I was able to do was to whittled him down to about a third his health. I don?t know, man; he?s relentless and also sports a vastly more extensive move set than previous bosses, one which seems tailored to exploit my every move before I even make it. His wiki isn?t very encouraging either; immune or resistant to everything in my arsenal and it turns out that purple charging thing he was doing wasn?t the cue for a AoE attack; he was buffing himself! Yes, his backstory is indeed sad and tragic, but it doesn?t change or excuse the fact that he?s an asshole, one whose abyss-walking days are most certainly numbered?
Yeah, Artorias is a bitchy ************. I used a Zweihander with a light armor build, so that I was basically a glass cannon. If memory serves, he's usually vulnerable after he does a series of spinning jump attacks. Focus on avoiding his nasty side swing attacks, and punish him for his overhead jumping swings. You can either dodge them, like I did, or tank them, if you have a hefty enough build.

Oh, and if you think this is bad, wait until you get to the final boss of the DLC.



Xprimentyl said:
dafuq you talking about Fox12?
After you beat Artorias, you'll reach a city. In it, you'll find a wall with a weird indention next to it. It should make a weird noise when you near it. There will be a little red message next to it. It won't be a player message. It will be a developer message. It should say something about light. If you put on your maggot helm then it will reveal an illusory wall that hides a secret item. Put it in your item inventory and push square to emit a kind of protective force field. It works against most enemies in the DLC, but you will want it during the final boss of the DLC. It's an absolute life saver. It's not required, but it will save you a lot of frustration.

And make sure you revisit the spot where you defeated Artorias after you've been gone a little while.
 

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Fox12 said:
Yeah, Artorias is a bitchy ************. I used a Zweihander with a light armor build, so that I was basically a glass cannon. If memory serves, he's usually vulnerable after he does a series of spinning jump attacks. Focus on avoiding his nasty side swing attacks, and punish him for his overhead jumping swings. You can either dodge them, like I did, or tank them, if you have a hefty enough build.

Oh, and if you think this is bad, wait until you get to the final boss of the DLC.
His attacks are tricky and hard to predict. I noticed he'll bait me, He'll allow me to block a single swing attack 4-5 times and build up confidence that I know what the attack animation looks like, so on the 6th time I see it coming, I'll block it and try to attack only to realize as my finger is coming off the block button that he's winding up for the second part of a combo he'd not shown. And don't get me started on that somersault attack; bastard hit me with 4 in a row depleting my stamina through my 100% physical shield. Just unfair. But I think I can do it if I just find a way to cope with the long walk back each time. Even with he elevator shortcut I unlocked, it's still a good 2-3 minute trek back past some pretty annoying enemies.

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Xprimentyl said:
dafuq you talking about Fox12?
After you beat Artorias, you'll reach a city. In it, you'll find a wall with a weird indention next to it. It should make a weird noise when you near it. There will be a little red message next to it. It won't be a player message. It will be a developer message. It should say something about light. If you put on your maggot helm then it will reveal an illusory wall that hides a secret item. Put it in your item inventory and push square to emit a kind of protective force field. It works against most enemies in the DLC, but you will want it during the final boss of the DLC. It's an absolute life saver. It's not required, but it will save you a lot of frustration.

And make sure you revisit the spot where you defeated Artorias after you've been gone a little while.
Ah, I see. I appreciate the implied confidence that my beating Artorias was a foregone conclusion, but over "when you get there..." I'd have rather you said "in the off-chance you survive the next boss..." :p
 

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Fox12 said:
Yeah, Artorias is a bitchy ************. I used a Zweihander with a light armor build, so that I was basically a glass cannon. If memory serves, he's usually vulnerable after he does a series of spinning jump attacks. Focus on avoiding his nasty side swing attacks, and punish him for his overhead jumping swings. You can either dodge them, like I did, or tank them, if you have a hefty enough build.

Oh, and if you think this is bad, wait until you get to the final boss of the DLC.
His attacks are tricky and hard to predict. I noticed he'll bait me, He'll allow me to block a single swing attack 4-5 times and build up confidence that I know what the attack animation looks like, so on the 6th time I see it coming, I'll block it and try to attack only to realize as my finger is coming off the block button that he's winding up for the second part of a combo he'd not shown. And don't get me started on that somersault attack; bastard hit me with 4 in a row depleting my stamina through my 100% physical shield. Just unfair. But I think I can do it if I just find a way to cope with the long walk back each time. Even with he elevator shortcut I unlocked, it's still a good 2-3 minute trek back past some pretty annoying enemies.

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Xprimentyl said:
dafuq you talking about Fox12?
After you beat Artorias, you'll reach a city. In it, you'll find a wall with a weird indention next to it. It should make a weird noise when you near it. There will be a little red message next to it. It won't be a player message. It will be a developer message. It should say something about light. If you put on your maggot helm then it will reveal an illusory wall that hides a secret item. Put it in your item inventory and push square to emit a kind of protective force field. It works against most enemies in the DLC, but you will want it during the final boss of the DLC. It's an absolute life saver. It's not required, but it will save you a lot of frustration.

And make sure you revisit the spot where you defeated Artorias after you've been gone a little while.
Ah, I see. I appreciate the implied confidence that my beating Artorias was a foregone conclusion, but over "when you get there..." I'd have rather you said "in the off-chance you survive the next boss..." :p
I will give you this piece of advice. Artorias, and to a much greater extent the final boss of the DLC, will both use massive combos that will absolutely devestate your stamina. I was lucky, since I'd gotten used to dodging attacks instead of blocking them, but if you're used to using a shield then it must be a nightmare. Basically, unless you're Havel, and you've poured a lot of points into stamina, then blocking some of these combos simply isn't viable. The final bosses biggest combo will quickly hit you five times. The trick, in that situation, is to recognize the combo before he uses it, and avoid the attack altogether. Otherwise he'll stun lock you to death, even with a shield.

It took me a while to finally beat the DLC. Those bosses are hard, even by soul standards. However, once I'd finished the DLC, I finally felt like I'd mastered the mechanics. Beating the final boss was an absolute blast once I'd figured out his move set.

Edit: and a piece of advice for later. The final boss is vulnerable in the same way Artorias is. He's just much more aggressive, and has a longer range. Wait for his jumping overhead and then smack him in the ass. Or heal, if needed.
 

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Welp, THAT hurt a lot. You guys could have warned me that Artorias was basically at the BEGINNING of the DLC content!! I was NOT prepared at ALL; I was actually running from a Stone Guardian which managed to make it down the elevator with me, was down to 2 flasks, basically no health and my goddamn super slow +10 Fire Zweihander equipped to my right hand. I ran for the fog wall out of desperation and straight into an ass-whooping for the ages.

Knowing being half the battle as my good friend and mentor General Infantry Joe once told me, I prepared and gave ol? Arty another honest go? and another? and 4 more others before my lunch hour was up; the best I was able to do was to whittled him down to about a third his health. I don?t know, man; he?s relentless and also sports a vastly more extensive move set than previous bosses, one which seems tailored to exploit my every move before I even make it. His wiki isn?t very encouraging either; immune or resistant to everything in my arsenal and it turns out that purple charging thing he was doing wasn?t the cue for a AoE attack; he was buffing himself! Yes, his backstory is indeed sad and tragic, but it doesn?t change or excuse the fact that he?s an asshole, one whose abyss-walking days are most certainly numbered?
Tip: You can interrupt his buff/AoE. Run towards him when he starts to buff and attack him. It will make his blows way easier to withstand when you fail to block or evade. His most treacherous move it's the 3 consecutive somersaults. He is a tricky ************, but as most of the rest of Dark Souls, it all comes to learn his moves and the best way to not get hit.
 

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I didn't want to spoil Artorias because that opening cinematic is awesome when you don't expect it. He's a flippy anime fight but take a greatshield with loads of stability and you can pretty much tank your way through almost everything without taking a hit. I'd suggest using your Uchi because it's faster so you can get in a hit in and then bring your shield back up.

Oh and his Super Saiyan Rose power up thing? You can attack him during it and if you do enough damage he doesn't get his power up and he also staggers which can give you even more damage.

WARNING: Plague does swear a bit in this fight so this may be NSFW if people are gonna overhear it.

Oh, and once you beat Artorias? Go back and talk to Chester again. He's the Bloodborne looking guy near the entrance to Artorias's fight. And the shortcut elevator is there too if memory serves.

A quick tip for getting back to Artorias, if you go up the very right hand side of the Royal Woods you can avoid almost all the enemies (even better if you use Ring of Fog or Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring) and get to the shortcut elevator. That should save you time and estus getting back to the fight.
 

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For me the most difficult part of the DLC by far were the lightning spewing billy goats at the very beginning (well, one at first and then after completing it on a return visit he brings a friend to help). They were more aggressive for me than Artorias and Manus combined. Even with Artorias Greatshield and Thunder Stoneplate ring he ate through my stamina/health far more quickly than either of the latter bosses. I even beat Manus on my first try, which was heart-poundingly exhilarating. Also saved Sif pup but didn't have his assistance, so it made the victory that much more satisfying.

OP, if you can get past the angry billy goat then the rest of this DLC should be pretty cake. I remember you saying you had Artorias Greatshield, so that coupled with the Cloranthy ring should do you well. Like others said, find the Silver Pendant and dodge if you're running out of stamina against Manus. Having a decent stock of arrows also helps with baiting the bloatheads along the way, and killing the ones throwing dark projectiles if you can't rush them.

Also if it hasn't been mentioned, activate the elevator at the end of the Chasm of Abyss, which will bring you back up near the Artorias arena and the town bonfire just beyond. I thought I'd be needing a close one for Manus, and found it easier than going through the phantoms, unless you want to stock up on some good ol humanity.


*edit* just read through the last page of so...I guess our builds were different enough that Artorias is causing you a bit of grief lol. No doubt he took a few tries, but like others have said, read his attacks and wait for openings. Sacrifice attacks during his recovery if you need to heal. Crank up the bonfire to yield 20 flasks if you haven't, and every time you see a flasks worth of health missing, replenish ASAP. Have you upgraded your flask much yet with the Firekeeper souls?

That reminds me, the Replenishment miracle helps if you're planning a battle of attrition, or if you want to try an aggressive approach and have the necessary items, take your strongest, lightest weapon with a Grass Chrest shield and the lightest/no armor to stay under 25% burden, the Mask of Child and Cloranthy ring, then activate the Power Within pyro. Save enough stamina between attacks to dodge when needed.

You'll get through it one way or another!
 

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Oh, Artorias? I?m about 15 tries in, and our relationship is? complicated, to say the least. Imminent bitching:

Fox12 said:
I will give you this piece of advice. Artorias, and to a much greater extent the final boss of the DLC, will both use massive combos that will absolutely devestate your stamina. I was lucky, since I'd gotten used to dodging attacks instead of blocking them, but if you're used to using a shield then it must be a nightmare. Basically, unless you're Havel, and you've poured a lot of points into stamina, then blocking some of these combos simply isn't viable. The final bosses biggest combo will quickly hit you five times. The trick, in that situation, is to recognize the combo before he uses it, and avoid the attack altogether. Otherwise he'll stun lock you to death, even with a shield.
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Tip: You can interrupt his buff/AoE. Run towards him when he starts to buff and attack him. It will make his blows way easier to withstand when you fail to block or evade. His most treacherous move it's the 3 consecutive somersaults. He is a tricky ************, but as most of the rest of Dark Souls, it all comes to learn his moves and the best way to not get hit.
vallorn said:
I didn't want to spoil Artorias because that opening cinematic is awesome when you don't expect it. He's a flippy anime fight but take a greatshield with loads of stability and you can pretty much tank your way through almost everything without taking a hit. I'd suggest using your Uchi because it's faster so you can get in a hit in and then bring your shield back up.

Oh and his Super Saiyan Rose power up thing? You can attack him during it and if you do enough damage he doesn't get his power up and he also staggers which can give you even more damage.
I decided I can't tank him. I'm using the Greatshield of Artorias (yeah, that's right; I killed your dog, *****; used her soul for this badass shield and made a bra and panty set for your mom out of her pelt,) and it does a great job of keeping me safe initially, but the problem is that Artorias is absolutely relentless and his rapid and constant attacks eat through my Stamina like a power washer through rice paper if I just stand there and try to take it like a champ. So I decided (like I've got a choice) to use this encounter to prove I can actually "git gud," and have started working on my dodge rolls.

I've managed to figure out the timing on the triple flippy thing he does, and that confidence really opened up some opportunities I didn't see before, but again, the problem is he has an answer for everything I throw at him. The attack I have the hardest time dodging is the "pointy powerslide" where he goes all Sunset Overdrive on me and slides across the room with his dick pointed at me and somehow manages to hit me twice with a single thrust (denoted by the two, distinct and devastating hits to my Stamina bar;) on the off chance I do manage to dodge it, I get a hit in on his back and he BACKHANDS me in return; didn't know he could do that, y'know, counter-attack as a basic part of your move set, but he can and does.

I first tried my +5 BK Sword as a wiki suggested for its wide sweeping arc, but 1.)it's too goddamn slow and short; if I try to block his attacks, he pushes me out of counterattack range, so by the time I drop my shield and swing my sword, I've had two birthdays and he's already hit me with his own counter-counterattack. 2.)If I dodge roll, I've moved myself out of counterattack range, so by the time I close the gap, and swing my sword, well, I've had two birthdays and so on and so forth... I next tried my +5 BK Halberd and had marginally better success; its reach is undeniable as even when he pushes me out of nominal range, I can still hit him without moving, but his immediate backhand counterattacks turn those moments into Three Stooges-esque slap fights which he inevitably wins, being Moe to my Curly and such. I have tried my +15 Uchigatana, but it suffers again from a lack of length and hits for so much less than my BK weapons; plus, I don't think Bleed is a weakness of his and even if it were, I never get enough successive hits in to build it on him.

I have read that he can be staggered out of his buffing animation, but I can't do it. I don't know what his poise is, but I'd guess "IT'S OVER 9,000!!!!!" The best chance I ever had was 3-4 hits with the heaviest weapon I can wield, and he didn't budge; I think he might have giggled. What's worse is that I learned his buffs STACK. He'll buff once for every fifth of his health depleted, so when I manage to do another fifth of his health worth of damage while he's already buffed, he'll do it again, and is suddenly powerful enough to one-shot me. I think the buff lasts about a minute, so I've tried running away until it wears off before doing any more damage, but one minute in that room with him running for my life and not trying to defend myself is what my psychiatrist calls a "high-stress environment;" I inevitably make a mistake and his buffed self capitalizes with a two-shot kill.

Should I NOT be locking on to him? For the life of me, not locking on sounds like insanity seeing as he moves fast enough to be in two places at once and risking a shot to the back is basically suicide, but camera issues when locked on honestly account for 60-70% of what I'm deeming my "dumb mistakes," particularly against the pointy powerslide. If I try to roll while locked on, the camera stays on him which I think is affecting the direction I'm rolling leaving me basically always right in front of him and ripe for the ramming...

TL;DR? Fuck Artorias.
 

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For me the most difficult part of the DLC by far were the lightning spewing billy goats at the very beginning (well, one at first and then after completing it on a return visit he brings a friend to help). They were more aggressive for me than Artorias and Manus combined. Even with Artorias Greatshield and Thunder Stoneplate ring he ate through my stamina/health far more quickly than either of the latter bosses. I even beat Manus on my first try, which was heart-poundingly exhilarating. Also saved Sif pup but didn't have his assistance, so it made the victory that much more satisfying.

OP, if you can get past the angry billy goat then the rest of this DLC should be pretty cake. I remember you saying you had Artorias Greatshield, so that coupled with the Cloranthy ring should do you well. Like others said, find the Silver Pendant and dodge if you're running out of stamina against Manus. Having a decent stock of arrows also helps with baiting the bloatheads along the way, and killing the ones throwing dark projectiles if you can't rush them.
Really? The Sanctuary Guardian gave you more hell than Artorias?? Don't get me wrong, SG was no pushover, but he was a lot easier to read and predictable than this meth-head psychopath with a broken arm. Remember play-pretending "superheros" with friends as a child? we all had the ONE friend who made up a new 'power' to counter every power everyone else chose; that's pretty much Artorias:

The Adventures of Arty & Me

Me: "I hit you, Artorias!"
Arty: "Nuh-uh, I backhand you every time you hit me for twice the damage, PLUS it knocks you down!"
Me: "That's not fair!"
Arty: "Oops, time to buff??

Me: ?I was blocking you, Artorias!?
Arty: ?Nuh-uh, I can hit you TWICE with a single attack which over-depletes your stamina meaning your health takes the residual damage, PLUS it knocks you down!?
Me: ?That?s not fair!?
Arty: ?Oops, time to buff??

Arty: ?Check out these sweet front flips I can do! PLUS they knock you down!?
Me: ?Ouch, that hurts; stop it, Artorias! And I don?t even HAVE a jump button; that?s not fair!?
Arty: ?Oops, time to buff??

Arty: ?I hear your mom?s pregnant; congrats! You?re gonna be a big brother!?
Me: ?Thanks, Artorias!?
Arty: ?I?m the father.?
Me: ???
Arty: ?Oops, time to buff??
 

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Lol, like I said, our builds were probably a bit different. IIRC, I had 40 Endurance, 40 Strength, maybe 29-30 Vitality, and everything else was around 18-20 except Resistance (RIP). I wore the Helm of Thorns and from the neck down was decked out in Crimson garb. Cloranthy ring's almost always on, but I'm not sure what else I wore...possibly the Steel ring. I started with Power Within and when that was up switched to Replenishment miracle for HP assistance.

Anyways, it did take a comparable amount of attempts for both the Guardian and Artie, but to me it seemed I could barely get an attack off at all on Guardian unless I got him up on the hill by the bonfire and was able to get around him. His lightning blasts ensured constant flask usage when I had time to run and hide because getting around them to try and close the gap was nigh impossible, and I simply feel I'd possibly still be fighting him if I didn't get him sort of cornered up on the hill. Without his lightning attacks it would've been much less of a sweat. I think if I ever try fighting the two that come back, I'll go Power Within and under 25% burden.

Artorias and Manus for me...it just felt like I actually had some room to play with as well as time to form a strategy. Yes they both have aggressive attacks, but I was always able to block almost everything with a full stamina bar. I had ample time to heal either when they were recovering or just plain biding their time.

There was no biding time in Guardian's book; only lightning spam that would make Zeus himself blush. Let's just say he lived up to his name.
 

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If you continually hold down the shield button you regen stamina too slowly to tank properly, Try dropping your shield for a second between his swings to regen stamina through the fight. Also, use a better greatshield, I suggest trying the Black Iron Greatshield if you have the stats for that because the stability that thing has is nuts.

For breaking his poise, 2 hand your weapon as he's starting to buff and you rush him, the bonus damage isn't much but it does significantly more damage to his poise with a 2handed attack.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
Lol, like I said, our builds were probably a bit different. IIRC, I had 40 Endurance, 40 Strength, maybe 29-30 Vitality, and everything else was around 18-20 except Resistance (RIP). I wore the Helm of Thorns and from the neck down was decked out in Crimson garb. Cloranthy ring's almost always on, but I'm not sure what else I wore...possibly the Steel ring. I started with Power Within and when that was up switched to Replenishment miracle for HP assistance.
My stats from memory: VIT-26, END-36, STR-37, DEX-37; everything else is whatever the default starting stat is for a Warrior except Resistance; I didn't know how worthless it was until I'd already dumped 2 points into it. And as much as Power Within sounds like the bee's knees, 1.)I don't have any attunement slots, and 2.) even if I did, I wouldn't trust myself playing rope-a-dope with Artoiras at <25% health; he seems to be handling me just fine at 100% health. Head-to-toe, I'm wearing a combination of the Gold-Hemmed Black, Black Knight and Brass sets (dead sexy, I know it,) Greatshield of Artorias (LH) and +5 BK Halberd (RH), always under 50% burden. Lastly, I'm wearing Havel's Ring and Wolf Ring; they've pretty much got me handcuffed: I opt for Medium armors, but they don't offer much poise, hence the Wolf Ring, and since Medium armors can add significant burden, it's difficult to stay below 50% burden with a base Equip Load around 67-ish, hence Havel's Ring. I may be wrong, but it feels like I need them both. Taking off the Wolf Ring at this point will essentially cut my poise in half, taking off Havel's will turn me into Smough with concrete boots and my audition for Cirque du Soleil is next week!

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how Poise actually works? As I get it, Poise depletes a certain amount with each received strike though replenishes fairly quickly; that leads me to believe the more Poise the better, but how MUCH poise depletes with each blow? Here's my rationale: it takes Artorias two attackas (unbuffed) to completely deplete my Stamina which the Stats screen lists at 1,101 points, so in my pea-brain, Artorias is doing well over 550 points of "damage" per shot. My poise is at 90 points, and I know the "points" aren't necessarily the same "units" as Stamina, but when 80% of Artorias' attacks are breaking my poise, literally putting me on my ass, I can't imagine dropping my Poise by 44% is a smart move?

vallorn said:
If you continually hold down the shield button you regen stamina too slowly to tank properly, Try dropping your shield for a second between his swings to regen stamina through the fight. Also, use a better greatshield, I suggest trying the Black Iron Greatshield if you have the stats for that because the stability that thing has is nuts.

For breaking his poise, 2 hand your weapon as he's starting to buff and you rush him, the bonus damage isn't much but it does significantly more damage to his poise with a 2handed attack.
Yeah, I'm pretty good at managing my Stamina; I look for every opportunity to let it regen, even between attacks, it's juts that he's eating up what Stamina I DO have with seemingly minimal effort. But I haven't tried two-handing against him; sounds like one helluva gamble to put my shield on my back while I two-hand a weapon with only a 50% chance of the attack even connecting and a 100% chance of that attack being lethally countered if it DOES connect. I'm telling you, this guy's a bully, psychologically, physically AND sexually... Don't ask about that last one; let's just leave it at I tried going in with no armor, he took it the wrong way and things ended badly.
 

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It's a good idea to get some attunement slots for backup. Without them you're really limiting your options, which are beneficial even for a strength build. I'd upgrade that stat and get Endurance up to 40 which is its soft cap.
 

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vallorn said:
[spoiler="Here's Plague Of Gripes fighting him with a Greatshield method...]
WARNING: Plague does swear a bit in this fight so this may be NSFW if people are gonna overhear it.
[/spoiler]
"It's The Artorias Show and you just happened to be there." XD

Pretty much! Glad to see an expert (made Artorias look quite the fool) has some of the same gripes with this fight as I do. "Oh yeah, read my inputs!" I KNEW Artorias was cheating!