Ok so here's how i see it, the far more realistic way; with the fan outcry for a PC version they saw a viable market. Hence they made a port. It is a really bad port. I appreciate that they are upfront with the fact that the port is shit, but i'd rather they patch it than apologize.ASwearyPuppet said:
Dark Souls On the PC
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Bethesda games are, if nothing else, not utterly fucking broken at release -- Morrowind and Skyrim were at least enjoyable vanilla.Ushiromiya Battler said:
There's a difference between not liking a game and the game being a broken badly made port. The Dark Souls port is functionally broken.
Man, I remember the days when bad PC ports were actually bad, not just the original game with no additional features. It's kinda hilarious to me to see all these people getting so angry over being stuck at the same framerate and resolution that the consoles have. The port is perfectly functional unmodded, and with DSFix is by far the best version of the game available.
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I didn't buy Dishonored at launch, but that game is perfectly playable and fun in vanilla.Fireaxe said:
Not quite a game of the elder scrolls magnitude, but a solid Bethesda game none-the-less
No it wasn't, it was pretty much exactly the same game just with GfWL.Fireaxe said:
At least in Dark Souls I didn't experience random crashes, bugged skills, bugged weapons and corrupted saves.
This port was pretty much done better than any Bethesda game at launch.
So yes, Bethesda games are more often than not utterly fucking broken at release.
Did they make a good port? No, but it wasn't broken, contrary to others beliefs.
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It wasn't made by Bethesda itself, so less broken.Bravo Company said:
And yes it was a solid Arkane Studios game, pretty fun too.
Why are you making excuses for bad practices on behalf of a goddamn company? If a fan could crank out a fix in a day, what excuse could the professional programmers at Fromsoft possibly have? Again, i love the game and i still play it, been playing it since the original console release, but as big a fan as i am that doesn't make the PC port magically better.ASwearyPuppet said:
Presumably if they were capable of making a one day fix to make the game vastly more playable, they would have done so, even if only to please their bosses. It's likely they simply didn't know how to do it, nor that it could be done so easily. I'm no expert programmer but that certainly seems to happen to me sometimes. I'll be trying to messing with a logical but incredibly inefficient approach to a problem and then my more skilled friends will show me a vastly easier approach. These Fromsoft guys probably just aren't very experienced at PC ports.Rutabaga_swe said:
Anyway, the port's okay. Clearly if a one day fix can make the port perfectly playable, then the other elements of it being playable were already in place. I don't know the inner workings of the company; maybe one of their employees was believed to be a PC port expert but really wasn't up to par; maybe they were just lazy or rushed; who knows. In the end, companies fuck up sometimes, even when it comes to really simple shit. Sometimes even a great company with a highly skilled production team, like Toyota, can fuck up on the brakes of one of their flagship cars, despite every effort to make it perfect. We don't know enough to lash out at them.
Look if they half-baked the PC port and know it they should charge accordingly but the game came out at a normal price with a butchered port. And you know what, if i knew that Toyota had a car with fucked breaks i wouldn't even sit in that car, let alone buy it. I don't care what excuses they or their fans make, a car with faulty breaks will still kill me even if they have the bestest excuse in the whole wide world and the entire company farts rainbows and candy in my face in all other respects.
You know what? If they don't have people that can handle a PC port, then why don't they just stick a few bucks in the hands of the guy who made the DSfix and incorporate that in to an official patch then? I just don't get this defense force attitude. They fucked up and they should own up to it, and by that i don't mean just saying "oh sorry, we fucked up!" but actually fix it. And again, love the game, been playing it since release and bought it twice so don't think i'm just in here bashing for the sake of it, i just don't think their PC port was handled very well.
You know what? If they don't have people that can handle a PC port, then why don't they just stick a few bucks in the hands of the guy who made the DSfix and incorporate that in to an official patch then? I just don't get this defense force attitude. They fucked up and they should own up to it, and by that i don't mean just saying "oh sorry, we fucked up!" but actually fix it. And again, love the game, been playing it since release and bought it twice so don't think i'm just in here bashing for the sake of it, i just don't think their PC port was handled very well.
The only Bethesda game you could call broken at launch was Fallout 3 -- which was probably more due to being tied to Games for Windows Live (a shit patching and launcher system if ever there was one) and was also patched many times to remove quite of a few of the early issues.Ushiromiya Battler said:
Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim all played fine from day one bar an occasional bug, most of which didn't do shit to the game play (oh look a random NPC that nobody gives a shit about has fallen through the floor, what a disaster).
Fact is this: the Dark Souls port always was and continues to be unplayable without fan made mods, it's a joke of a port and the only people who would defend it are fanboys.
I do think the PC version gets a but too much shit thrown at it. It was by no means broken (with the exception of GFWL), but i wasnt a good port. It was equal to the console verions in that it was locked at 30fps 720p, which isnt broken but is just not good enough. And yes they should be ashamed that someone fixed it for free with in a few hours while they couldnt figure it out. But it wasnt broken.
At the very least they it was cheaper and had free dlc.
At the very least they it was cheaper and had free dlc.
At release Dark Souls was 40 wingwangs on steam. Mind that it was about a year old at that point and there was also a discounted console version of the Prepare to Die edition. For the current asking price of like 15-20 bucks, i think it's ok. 40 though? Not so much. Not for such an awful port. There's just no reason why they couldn't have unlocked resolution and framerate, or configured the controls to be playable with KBM. There's just no excuse.
Sorry, but did you try playing that shit with KBM straight out of the box? Not broken my ass.spartandude said:
I would agree with you if it didnt say on the Steampage that a controller is "Highly recommended". Again its not great but i don't hold this against the game, most flying games are a pain in the ass with KBM, so are alot of racing games.Rutabaga_swe said:
I agree, a lot of games are BETTER with a certain type of controller. I hate playing Tekken on a pad, racing games suck on a keyboard and so forth. But at least they are playable. I can play Tekken on a pad, i might not do as well and i might not like it but the controls work properly. The targeting is such utter twaddle in the vanilla KBM setup that the game is essentially unplayable without a controller. It's not recommended, it's basically mandatory without mods. There is a big difference there i think.spartandude said:
I did. I play it vanilla to this day, 600 hours on it, NG++++. It plays perfectly. It also could run on a toaster. Once you figure out that mouse movements change the lock-on target and therefore you should be careful when locking on while surrounded, it plays flawlessly.Rutabaga_swe said:
Bullshit. Both games crash every 20 minutes if given the chance and half the quests still have bugs that either mess your rewards or simply prevent you from finishing them properly.
Fact is this: the Dark Souls port always was and continues to be perfectly playable without fan made mods, it's a joke of a complain and the only people who would whine about it are entitled chimps without opposable thumbs.
Ok, fair enough then. That was really shit of them. I still dont think it was 'broken' but that was really shitty of them to not have that warning up for so long if they new KBM wasnt going to work very well at all, tbh i brought a wired controller just for this game.Qvar said:
Read my message again. Before this Black Friday, it said that you HAD to play it with a controller. Something along the lines of "Warning: You need a controller such as Microsoft Xbox 360 to play this game", not the kind of "you possibly want a controller for this" that displays now.spartandude said:
They've toned it down seeing how the DSMfix is working well for many people if anything. IMO they just didn't intend the game to be played on kb&m and they mad eit clear that people were aware of it, so the blame is hardly on them.