Day-One DLC Files Appear on Mass Effect 3 Discs
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I never said anything about using a loan to pay for videogames. Nice try.Reshkar said:
Just because one thing is a want and the other is a need doesn't make the comparison any less apt. After all, EA will tell you they need the extra $10 to make more DLC for the game, but that's clearly a lie. They're charging extra for anything they can smash-and-grab style, then cutting their employees loose from the payroll. Don't attempt to lecture me about why affording games and keeping a roof over my head is different, I acknowledge it's not the same exact circumstance but here's the thing: it's an example, it doesn't have to be.
You and Iron seem consigned to the idea that EA can charge whatever or try to fuck over its customer base as much as it wants, and if we don't like that then AHERP, sorry charlie, them's the breaks! No. Just, no. I'm not allowing these scumbags to lower the bar even further. It's time to draw the line. It's time to get the bleach and start scrubbing.
Its great who people who haven't downloaded it are complaining like they know what going on with the DLC.
It is NOT on the disc. The download would not be 500+ MB in size if it was, that is a waste of EA/Microsoft/Sony server space just to unlock something.
Just because the character data is in the game, doesn't mean the MISSION data, which is what the DLC is, is on the disc.
It is NOT on the disc. The download would not be 500+ MB in size if it was, that is a waste of EA/Microsoft/Sony server space just to unlock something.
Just because the character data is in the game, doesn't mean the MISSION data, which is what the DLC is, is on the disc.
You know, I would have loved to continue giving bioware the benefit of the doubt on this one, but this is a pretty shit-move. They could have just included this for free.
DLC makes me angry, but cutting shit out of a game I bought makes me far more angry.
Flame away!
DLC makes me angry, but cutting shit out of a game I bought makes me far more angry.
Flame away!
Eh, I haven't seen anything that would convince me they were intentionally misleading. As much as people seem to think otherwise, they don't owe us a day-by-day accounting of what is on the disc and what isn't, and whether things cut from the game during normal development were later fleshed out or removed.zinho73 said:
This isn't a consumer rights issue, this isn't being given a hamburger and being told extra money is required to get the bun. It boils down to THIS:
"This is DLC. It costs $10. The game functions start-to-end without it."
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We as consumers then have TWO OPTIONS TO PICK FROM. ONLY TWO:
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NOOOOES. Will NOT pay $10!
- OR -
The people around here complaining as if they are entitled to get it without paying is a bit silly. Companies can do WHATEVER THEY WANT as long it isn't illegal. Generally speaking, they tend to avoid doing things that hurt their chances of getting your money. If they wanted to make Commander Shepard into a chicken, THEY CAN. The reason they don't is it hurts their longterm financials in a big way.
So at the end of the day, y'all, stop bitching in the forums and stop giving them your money. THAT is how you respond to this. It's the ONLY way to respond to this.
FIGHTING IN FORUMS IS POINTLESS.
I really don't understand what the fuss is about. If you think this is a bad move by EA/Bioware, EASY! Don't buy it and let those who are ok buying it enjoy it in peace.
Your right EA wasn't lying....from a certain point of view. But the fact that the character existed means that the DLC was in the planing early on. Which means that the mission was ether cut for time restraints, Budget, or DLC is a part of the games planing from the start.FenixZero said:
I don't think DLC is bad. In fact its been a part of gaming since gaming existed, we just use to call them expansions and sequels. So from the designers point of view DLC is just more room to tell their epic story. but I don't want to pay 70 dollars on day one. I will wait for it to be on sale.
Can one of the incredibly knowledgeable and well informed people in this thread please enlighten me, as to what the 567.2MB file titled 'From Ashes' I just downloaded contained?
I'm with you on wallet voting budFappy said:Well he doesn't appear anywhere in the game (seeing as I ave beaten it) so I will stand firm and continue to boycott this DLC as I had considered buying it if he played an important role in the game short of being a squadmate. This news just strengthens my resolve. If only people knew how to vote with their wallets
I was boycotting origin until they changed the data mining part of their Eula and now that they have, I'm planning on getting ME3 eventually. Though hearing things like, lazy / buggy game design, stock photo lazy photoshops of ending scenes and tali a beloved character from all three games...idk I'm just like..what happened between games 1 and 3...I used to hands down love this franchise, now I'm torn.
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Electronic Arts has announced that 3.5 million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been shipped worldwide. The number makes Mass Effect 3 the largest entertainment launch of the year thus far. EA boss John Riccitello has stated that customers bought 890,000 copies in North America alone on launch day earlier this week, reports VentureBeat. The executive's comments were made during the Wedbush Technology, Media and Telecommunications Conference, where he noted that Mass Effect 3 is meeting EA's expectations and that the company is "happy" about the results so far.
Riccitiello also mentioned sales of Mass Effect 3 downloadable content, which are already doing quite well. 40 percent of customers who purchased Mass Effect 3 from a local GameStop also purchased DLC, the highest tie ratio for downloadable content the retailer has ever seen.
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THIS is why the bickering is stupid. THIS is why the entitled whining is nothing but wasted energy. Look at the # up there.
40%!!!!
4 out of every 10 people at gamestop DO NOT CARE THAT THE DAY 1 DLC COSTS MONEY. I am curious if that # includes Collector Editions, which bundle the DLC free.
What does this mean to you? You can gripe all you want about it here, this is going to become the norm. Your only hope for survival is by personally voting with your wallet.
Clearly enough people are ok paying the money to justify its existence.
Electronic Arts has announced that 3.5 million copies of Mass Effect 3 have been shipped worldwide. The number makes Mass Effect 3 the largest entertainment launch of the year thus far. EA boss John Riccitello has stated that customers bought 890,000 copies in North America alone on launch day earlier this week, reports VentureBeat. The executive's comments were made during the Wedbush Technology, Media and Telecommunications Conference, where he noted that Mass Effect 3 is meeting EA's expectations and that the company is "happy" about the results so far.
Riccitiello also mentioned sales of Mass Effect 3 downloadable content, which are already doing quite well. 40 percent of customers who purchased Mass Effect 3 from a local GameStop also purchased DLC, the highest tie ratio for downloadable content the retailer has ever seen.
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THIS is why the bickering is stupid. THIS is why the entitled whining is nothing but wasted energy. Look at the # up there.
40%!!!!
4 out of every 10 people at gamestop DO NOT CARE THAT THE DAY 1 DLC COSTS MONEY. I am curious if that # includes Collector Editions, which bundle the DLC free.
What does this mean to you? You can gripe all you want about it here, this is going to become the norm. Your only hope for survival is by personally voting with your wallet.
Clearly enough people are ok paying the money to justify its existence.
You could almost say they have, *puts on glasses*, assumed direct control.Antari said:
YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!
The.Bard said:
I don't think I'm entitled to nothing and I think EA has every right to adopt whichever business model they want. I'm just saying that EA brought that to themselves.
$10,00 Day1 DLC is not something cool. Day1 DLC with a character important to the lore of the series is even worse. Failing to talk to the fans in a straightforward manner about the subject is amateurish and a poor marketing decision. They do not own us any explanation, but if they are going to explain something, they better be smart about it (maybe even completely honest) or they are just adding wood to the fire.
And, yes, fighting about this is foolish, but discussing those issues in the foruns is good and might be even useful if it makes a developer think twice about milking us in every opportunity.
In any case, managing a beloved franchise is no easy task, as fans can be a rabid bunch, but EA is really approaching the problems from all the wrong angles. I understand that forcing Origin on people is a business decision they "had" to make, but not including the DLC in the Collector Edition and giving it for free would probably cost less than some adds they made and would have a much better result, building good-will towards the company for the future.
zinho73 said:
Sorry, only my first sentence was really a direct response to you. Then I got myself sidetracked on a tangential thought... you know how it goes. 8/
I agree with you here. If EA/Bioware wanted to go above and beyond, they could have gone into specific detail and hope that would cool off the detractors. I doubt it, but certainly, they could have extended more given how much the internet was already out for their blood. But ultimately, they aren't beholden to do that, and there's where the market works itself out. If the fan backlash hits them in the moneypurse, then they'll change real fast. So if 90% of the world thinks Day 1 DLC is wrong, we need to make sure 90% of the world isn't buying it. If enough people "hold the line," it will go away.
I so so so very much agree with you. Sadly, the issue (by and large) isn't being discussed here. Those not in favor of the DLC are outraged, claiming they are being sold a partial product, and that people who DO support Day 1 DLC are either stupid or "Biodrones." By and large (not all), they aren't discussing this as reasonable people. They are coming to the table with "THIS IS WRONG. I AM ENTITLED TO THAT DLC FOR FREE BECAUSE *some piece of it* WAS ON THE DISC. I THINK THAT CHARACTER IS IMPORTANT, AND I AM ANGRY UNTIL IT IS GIVEN TO ME FOR FREE. GRR."
Not only is that NOT the way to get your point across, it's judgmental, and in my estimation, a completely wasteful use of good energy. It's an attack on people like me - who fully support Day 1 DLC if it is truly beyond the game's original scope - and it rings hollow. EA WON'T give you that for free when 40% of Gamestop buyers bought the DLC. Losing our cool in the complaints is pointless. We need to vote with your wallets and accept what happens without crucifying those of us who are completely ok with this process. At some point, anti-dlc people need to say "I guess I'm just not buying it, and that is that."
The thing some people are failing to realize is this isn't a case of "GAME + DLC Included" or "GAME + DLC For $10". It's a case of "GAME + DLC for $10" or "GAME without the content that was cut during production."
But again, that's all based on the assumption that EA/Bioware didn't lie. (I still firmly hold to the thought that voice files on the disc are nowhere near sufficient evidence to say they lied.)
Again, I agree with you. I think EA's marketing/PR involvement in most situations is almost as heavy handed and impotent as the people shouting on these forums. You seem like a very reasonable person and I wish that more people were willing to convey their opinions without pitchforks and megaphones.
Heck, if people were level headed enough to post a thoughtful, well written reponse to EA and got several thousand signatures on it, they just might be moved into giving the DLC for free. But I'm sure the chances of both of those happening in this universe are slimmer than Al Jhilani's chances of surviving ME3 without a punch to the face. ;D
Never did I say you have to buy it, but if you want it buy it then. Also entitled to the worth of your money? This massive easily 10+ hour game filled with many different characters, decent dialouge, good combat, a giant world that you can explore, and a massive three game story that ties it all up isn't worth that $60 ($70 if you buy the DLC) because its missing a single character? Okay then, if you say so. I would like to see you make something that is worth my $60 then.wiredhuman said:
Not quite sure what you mean exactly. I don't see insane pitchforking like this when DLC is released at a later date, but when its day one its suddenly some major violation? God forbid you shell out $10 extra on the first day that people would have most likely anyways later down the line.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
That may be true, but they may have also just decided to release it as Day One DLC, then removed the code and some of the files that involve it in an attempt to save face when launch day came and people took the game apart. And what will they say when they do make a statement? "Oh yeah we totally tried to milk you guys lol no hard feelings?" They will deny it, which is why we cant take what they say as true. There is no way they decided once the game was almost finished to add in a whole new character, design that character, do the voice work, design the quests, test for bugs, then work it into the plot.The.Bard said: