Day-One DLC Files Appear on Mass Effect 3 Discs

[Twilight_guy]

So Biowear planned out their DLC in advance? ....Nope, still don't give a crap. I honestly believe if they planned it as DLC then what doea it matter if they worked on it at time X or Y. Should all creative thought be shackled during development and delayed for 3 months after launch? Should all content that potentially would be DLC immediately be rejected and thrown in a bin to gather dust for a year so people can stop giving a crap about the game first? DO developers suddenly sell their should to customers when the game begins and swear that everything they do will benefit the customer? When did game development go from a business where people can follow any path they like, include suboptimal paths where they develop future DLC concurrently with the main game degraded in the quality as a whole but doing so as their own chose, to a fascist state where only the way that uninformed forums goers think is right is the the correct path? I don't give two shits when they developed the DLC or how. I don't care if they were trying to milk their game. I don't care how much you want to whine about it. I think the company has the right to make whatever stupid decisions it wants and arguing that its somehow morally wrong is dumb. Let's address this from an economics standpoint or something or at least change the philosophical topic because harping on this in the same tone forever is bugging the crap out of me.

 

[TotalerKrieger]

You know, after looking at some detailed youtube videos of From Ashes, tbh, if I was given the CE for free I probably wouldn't activate the DLC for my main playthrough.

The quality of it is pretty shoddy when you consider that they introduced A LIVING PROTHEAN to the mass effect universe who adds no real value to the plot. Much of the DLC narrative is poorly written and poorly voiced (some dialougue seems very halting and awkward). Flashbacks within the mission hint that the new character may be important to the main conflict, but ultimately he becomes just another largely souless cliche, like Zaeed or Kasumi. He offers no real input into the fight against the Reapers, and his dismissive quips, while occasionally funny, are never really all that interesting. There is a fair bit of backstory surrounding the Protheans, but even Liara can't get any detailed information out of the guy. Don't expect a living, breathing Vigil.

In my personal playthrough of ME3, I would rather it be "canon" that ALL protheans are dead rather than introduce such a weak character...just as I did not include Zaeed and Kasumi in my ME2 playthrough. Shoddy characters just muddy the whole experience.

 

[The Great JT]

EA ruins everything. Wow, that really makes me sound like a whiny idiot. EA, stop making me be Superboy-Prime.

 

[Zer_]

Oh Christ....Zeel is gonna have a field day if/when he returns.

It's funny, I heard this loud, blood-curdlingesque scream a few minutes ago. It sounded very far away, but also very close. As if it had traveled many miles borne upon the wind. And the timestamp on this post checks out to when I heard the scream...

It must have been Zeel!

I hope he doesn't have an Atlas in his garage, or this is what his neighborhood will look like tonight:


DAY ONE! ON DISC! RARRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!

He was right all along. All I'd expect from him is an I told you so.

 

[Agente L]

Incredible. I haven't thought it was possible but Bioware just hit a new low.

Capcom low.

Keep impressing me Bioware.

Also, to almost everybody using the words "gamer entitlement", entitled and entitle:

 

[Something Amyss]

He was right all along. All I'd expect from him is an I told you so.

Likethat's going to stop anyone from berating him or blowing his potential response out of proportion.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

This is good news for me. If it's on the disc that means I already own it. And I can use ANY MEANS I want to access it.

 

[wiredhuman]

Never did I say you have to buy it, but if you want it buy it then. Also entitled to the worth of your money? This massive easily 10+ hour game filled with many different characters, decent dialouge, good combat, a giant world that you can explore, and a massive three game story that ties it all up isn't worth that $60 ($70 if you buy the DLC) because its missing a single character? Okay then, if you say so. I would like to see you make something that is worth my $60 then.

- Never did I say you have to buy it, but if you want it buy it then.

Its the last part of a trilogy, 2 parts of which I already own. I want the game. If I want the game I have to buy it.
But I wont pay 70 bucks for it.

- Also entitled to the worth of your money? This massive easily 10+ hour game filled with many different characters, decent dialouge, good combat, a giant world that you can explore, and a massive three game story that ties it all up isn't worth that $60 ($70 if you buy the DLC) because its missing a single character?

No. Im saying this a bit under 10 hours game filled with different characters using all the same models, alright dialogue containing hints on cut out dialogue choices, mediocre combat I am willing to cope with, a seemingly giant world that you can scan while running from reapers, and a story that does not tie anything up because my choices in the previous games did not matter jack shit in the end isn't worth that $60 partually because its missing a vital part to the understanding of the game´s lore.
The only reason it isnt in the retail game is the deadline. You dont demand 10$ for something you had to cut out to meet your deadlines.
"Hey i didnt have emough time to complete your chair, so the pads are 10 bucks extra."
What would you say to someone presenting you something like that? You´d say FUCK YOU, and never return to that store, and you sure as hell tell everyone you know to never go there.

Its also the lazy stock photo crap.
Its also the missing textures in a part of the game.
Its also presenting me game that disregards choices from the previous games entirely, one of which being Legion and his potential replacement, or Liara canonically being the Shadowbroker, while reassuring me that every single choice matters. See chicken labled "PIG".
This is EAWare insulting my intelligence as a fan of the series.

- Okay then, if you say so. I would like to see you make something that is worth my $60 then.
I am not a team of artist, programmers, and writers. I am a single person. I am not backed by millions of dollars. I would also like to see you making something worth my 60 bucks, because as indicated by your statement, apperently you can.

 

[aceman67]

Umm... Who cares? So what if there were voice files and some textures on the main disk.

They most likely did the voice over for Javik along with the rest of the cast to save money and to not risk losing the voice actor to scheduling issues.

They most likely did character models and textures during primary production to save time when they did the bulk of the work for the DLC after the game had gone gold.

Lastly, they most likely included parts of the DLC in the game disk to... GASP! Lower the download size of the actual DLC. Who would have thunk...

People are just making a whole lot of whoo-haa out of something, that when you factor in some common sense with a dash of not acting like a entitled jack-***, doesn't really matter.

The game is good. I loved it. It really finished it all up for me. Javik meanwhile was lackluster at best, but then again, so was Zaeed.

 

[The.Bard]

"Fighting in forums" is exactly what people should do, that and bad press generated by controversies like Metacritic, Tali, the DLC etc., including word-of-mouth with your friends is the best way to let other people know of the business practices at play here, every article also helps to raise awareness and damage sales, "shutting up" is amongst the worst things you can actually do if you don't like something.

If the word "constructively" was implicit in the above, I would agree with you. What is happening on this site and elsewhere is tantamount to whining. It's neither constructive nor informative. It's judgmental of those who do support the dlc, it's full of malformed assumptions, and it's really not helping the situation. At all.

That does include Complete Editions and polling Gamestop customers might not be the "stats" one would want to go after for a proper representation, since a large percentage of their customers don't even realize that buying "Pre-Owned" doesn't let any of the money spent go to the dev and still buy their games in the belief that they are supporting the gaming industry when they're actually supporting Gamestop. It also doesn't say what percentage of those people bought the game "Used" or "New" and thought this was akin to other "Online Passes" they have to pay for instead. It also doesn't state how many of them "DO NOT CARE THAT THE DAY 1 DLC COSTS MONEY", it just states how many supposedly bought it, the rest is conjecture on your part.

Given how many people buy at GameStop, it's absolutely a pertinent place to poll. The reason they get it is completely irrelevant, and I'm not conjecturing here. If [40% minus the CE people] got the dlc, then yea, it means they don't mind paying for it. If they opposed Day 1 DLC, they wouldn't have purchased it. There really isn't much gray area in that. If you hate paying for it and you still do, that's irrelevant. You are still supporting the system. Other than coming to a logical conclusion, what about this is conjecture?

But go ahead and troll people more. Also add me as one of the people who not only didn't buy the DLC but didn't buy the entire game either, so they didn't lose 10$(? actually in my case) but 70? in total.

Troll? Really dude? There is not a hand in the world big enough for me to put my face into right now, so im just going to sigh in the corner and come back in 10 minutes..

-10 mins later-

Ok, I'm back. So saying that the people who aren't opposed to the dlc have a right to enjoy it in peace is trolling? Go talk to the people rolling around on the floor crying that they were served a hamburger without the bun. I don't care if you bought it. I don't care if you love it. I don't care if you hate it. What I do care about is that we are all given two options. BUY IT. OR DON'T. Whining about it here isn't going to create an option 3.

 

[The.Bard]

Oh Christ....Zeel is gonna have a field day if/when he returns.

It's funny, I heard this loud, blood-curdlingesque scream a few minutes ago. It sounded very far away, but also very close. As if it had traveled many miles borne upon the wind. And the timestamp on this post checks out to when I heard the scream...

It must have been Zeel!

I hope he doesn't have an Atlas in his garage, or this is what his neighborhood will look like tonight:


DAY ONE! ON DISC! RARRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!

He was right all along. All I'd expect from him is an I told you so.

Um, says who? He claimed the DLC was designed with the game and cut out in a complete state so it could be sold separately. I haven't seen anything to prove that is the case.

Many of us theoried the content was cut during normal game production, and further time spent on it was only greenlit only BECAUSE it could generate revenue. Ie - if it wasn't sold for money, it would never have been put into the game in any fashion. Voice files being on the disc does NOT invalidate this as a possibility.

At best, this is a he said / she said argument that nobody is going to come away from "right."

If you trust Bioware, you believe them and that this was truly extra content.

If you don't trust Bioware, you probably think they maliciously went over the final game with pruning shears while twirling a mustache.

And that, folks, is about all of this rigamarole as I can stand. Too much opinion-becomes-fact around here for my taste. So i will not be posting in this thread further unless the conversation actually evolves into a civil... You know what? That's never gonna happen. So I'm just gonna go play this awesome new game I got. I doubt any of you have heard of it, but it's pretty awesome. It's an RPG called Mass Effect 3. I hear it has some dlc, too! XD

 

[Dalavita]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8

I'll just put this here.

Bioware is dead to me.

 

[wiredhuman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8

I'll just put this here.

Bioware is dead to me.

Ladies and gentleman, I rest my case.

 

[Zer_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8

I'll just put this here.

Bioware is dead to me.

Yeah I saw this earlier today, was about to post it. Ninja'd

 

[PingoBlack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8
I'll just put this here.

Says it all, doesn't it? Thanks for posting this, or I would have.

 

[James Raynor]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8[/youtube]

Better.


Anyway, all the DLC does it give the mission that you recruit him at. So it's just 600 MB of side missions.

 

[aceman67]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8

I'll just put this here.

Bioware is dead to me.

Yes, but do you get the Eden Prime mission?

Is his room on the Engineering deck unlocked (grunts old room) and all associated dialogue options?

Do you get his Bonus Power Dark Channel?

Do you get the scene where Liara rips into him for not telling her something (no spoilers), do you get the scene where Javik asks you to visit him on the Citadel?

Do you get the hundreds of lines of party banter for every mission specific to Javik and each party member in the ENTIRE game?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say no.