Somewhere during development when Javik was complete and tested, the devs cut him out to make a DLC.aceman67 said:
Everything else is irrelevant.
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Where you're definitive proof that this DLC was completed then Cut from the game?wiredhuman said:
That's right, you don't have any.
EA and Bioware came out and flatly said that because of what the DLC was about that it needed some initial frame work put into the base game, They did it with Zaeed and Kasumi (with Kasumi, you could make a game edit on the PC and use her in the Suicide Mission, yet no one freaked out) a prime example of this is...
HUGE SPOILER
When you come back from Thessia where you just found out that the entire Asari culture was manipulated by a Prothean posing as their Goddess, A fact that's even made more poignant [that's a big boy word for "Evoking a keen sense of sadness or regret" if you don't know what it means] by Liara, as brilliant an Archaeologist as she is, not wanting to accept this fact while the evidence is staring her right in the face in the Temple and that Javik didn't say anything, and Liara rips into Javik and you practically have to keep her from doing something that she would regret.
For my first FemShep playthrough, I brought Garrus, you bet your ass I'm bringing Javik for my DudeShep run, or hell, I might just Uninstall From Ashes, or not go and get him entirely, and play through just to see what the games like with out it, and I bet that I won't miss much, because Bioware is good at telling a story.
People are just pissed off because He's a Prothean. Had he been any other race, any other anything for that matter, people wouldn't have a Garrus size stick up their collective anus' about this.
Who the hell cares, I sure as hell don't. Eventhough I bought the N7 edition, I would have still bought From Ashes if I had gotten the normal version. Just buy the DLC, or don't. Its your choice, no one is holding a gun to your head saying you have to play it.
I dont need any more proof.aceman67 said:
Also, if you dont care, why bother posting?
One shouldnt engage in debates on topics one does not care about.
I know have video game production works in certain matters. IE, it used to be if a game wasn't developed fully, they would just delay it for another time. Nowadays, they just delay it once and then charge you for everything else they couldn't finish. That doesn't seem so efficient to me. It doesn't even seem necessary.Grey Day for Elcia said:
In fact, there seems to be only one reason that makes sense to me. They can easily call for another pause and give the very valid reason 'We want to make sure you get a whole game'. Mass Effect was already supposed to come out last holiday season. It was paused. Not only did they have the option available to them, they used it. They could have used it again to fit in on the disc.
Now, to my point to the 'I don't care' players.
And please, I really request for someone to answer this, because it's important.
At what point do you start caring. I admit I'm not a designer or even a disc cracker. I don't even have the Mass Effect 3 game to test what this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8] that my other posters put up. But if it works... I mean, it's damning.
But some people still excuse because it's a game they like. So I ask is liking a game enough to get you past all of the hurdles a game designer puts in your way to actually getting the entire game to enjoy? I liked Mass Effect 1, memories of Mass Effect 1 made me like Mass Effect 2 a little more than I would have. I want to finish the story. But from the beginning, with that stupid Origin play to now, Bioware or EA seems not to care how untrustworthy they seem to us. I will only have given my money or my support to someone who I think earns it. But that is me. What, if any, situations will cause you to pan a game?
Wow, someone doesn't like being proven wrong.wiredhuman said:
And you should stop using the word ignorant, it doesn't mean what you think it means. Ignorance implies that one doesn't know, and that isn't the case here. One could say that your knowledge about the meaning of Ignorance is... wait for it... "Ignorant." Thank you, I'll be here all week.
I know full well what the situation is, why people have a Garrus sized stick up their asses, and why it doesn't matter in the long run.
Try replacing the word "Ignorant" with "I find your statement wrong and possibly rude". That might work better, and you know what, I'd be OK with that.
And your reasoning is flawed. If everyone every where didn't debate topics they didn't really care about, we wouldn't have a legal system and this entire society we've built would descend into chaos.
And why shouldn't I post? Because I've chosen to disagree with your view point? Dude, thats the whole point of a Debate: To have two or more groups of people with opposing views and DEBATING a topic. Are you trying to censor any opposition to your view point so that you seem right? Wow, pretty petty course of action if ask me. If you can't handle people opposing your point of view, methinks you should be the one refraining from posting.
And while I don't care about parts of the DLC being on the disc, I do care about people making a big stink and giving the game company flack about something that in the end doesn't matter, especially when the game was excellent otherwise.
The reason you'd have DLC files on a disk, is because you need CODE in the game to attach the DLC to. Coding a game is not simple, especially not adding a new character AFTER development. The only thing you can do with DLC so that it doesn't look like a cheap photoshop job, is to design and code character movements, interaction, and stuff like how they use weapons. So long as you have that base code in the game, they could've made a Chainsaw Juggling Turian In A Miniskirt as future DLC. But when you DON'T have that code in the game, then you need to create/include entirely new areas or exclusive locations that can't be accessed along-with the core game (Take Fallout 3 and New Vegas with their DLC that takes you to entirely new areas, which required them to code entirely new content that is seperate from the main game, yet allows them to stuff in all the things that couldn't be coded with the main game).
point me where you proved me wrong, I seem to have missed that partaceman67 said:
Im yet to see any proof on anything
You've failed to show any proof to begin with that shows, definitively that the From Ashes DLC was completed before the game went gold (which means ready to ship). And that video doesn't really count since it takes the quote out of context. Bioware was right when they said that the DLC was COMPLETED after the game went gold. Not ONCE did they ever say they didn't work on parts of it during primary production, nor do they have too, and nor do they have to explain themselves to you or anyone else except their shareholders. So unless you own stock in Bioware or EA, your opinion, along with mine and anyone else's on this forum for that matter, means jack.wiredhuman said:
Its only peoples sense of entitlement mixed with feeling jilted by the ending they don't like that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.
As I said, I played through the only part of the game that would make the From Ashes DLC where Javik would be considered integral to the game with out Javik in my party. I had Garrus and Liara with me, and you know what, I missed nothing. The story played out just as well without him then having him present.
So kindly take that stick out of your buttocks, Garrus wants it back, he needs to beat people to death with it.
And lastly, You shouldn't be the one talking about 'argumentum ad hominem', since you tried to do the same thing to me saying I shouldn't debate things I don't care about. That my friend, is called hypocrisy.
So you basically admit working for EAWare?aceman67 said:
Nice damage control there bud, real nice damage control.
How about you go to metacritic and give your own game a perfect user review?
Dude, I wash dishes for minimum wage at Denny's. It took me 2 months tips to save up enough to pay off ME3. I do not work for EA, and I thought I made that point clear by saying "your opinion, along with mine".wiredhuman said:
Since you have first, tried to stop me from debating the topic by saying I shouldn't be debating because I don't care about said topic, secondly, tried accusing me of attacking the person while not focusing on the issue (ad hominem) while doing persisly what you were accusing me of, and lastly, avoiding the topic ALL together by accusing me of being an EAxian?
You've gone too far, good sir, I must use the big guns now.
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Also, this whole issue can be summed up by that image as well, since this just reeks of rediculosity.