DC Comics Lose Another Piece of Superman

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Escapefromwhatever

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That's insane. The only reason I see for the Siegal estate to want Superman is money- its not like DC is bastardizing the character. I hope that DC can do something to keep Superman theirs; he is their mascot, and taking him away would be like giving Mario to Sony, or Link to Phillips [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-i_games_from_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series].

EDIT: After reading up a little more, I am glad that the Siegal estate is seeing some action from this, though I'd rather they just get some money than take the character from DC. Here's hoping DC gives them a nice settlement to retain Superman.

Haydyn said:
I'm wondering why we have to keep marketing super heroes from decades ago. Unoriginality will always exist, I guess.
Yeah, and why on earth do we keep going over that Jason and Argonauts stuff, and the whole Illyiad thing, and good lord, don't even get started on that whole Bible thing, why can't those Christians write up something new?
Without sarcasm, some characters and some stories are iconic. Just because something has been around for a while isn't any reason to throw it out -- especially if it remains popular and relevant to people.
That's just it. Super heroes are already way more popular that ancient greek mythology, and I'm sure there are more games and movies based on super heroes than the Bible. What about all the other books and movies that have WAY better stories than super heroes that have faded into unexistence? I don't see remake after remake of the Oddessy.
Are you arguing with yourself?
 
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Just because we can do a thing, does not mean we must. Or even should.

Yes, the heirs of Jerry Siegel (and Joe Shuster) have the legal right to sue to get certain properties associated with Superman back. Maybe even the whole character.

Yes, DC shafted the men back in the day. However, a few years before they died, they made their peace with DC with an agreement to drop all claims in return for whatever medical care they required for the rest of their lives, plus a large sum of money. A drop in the bucket, compared to what DC made off of Superman, but more than enough to take care of them at that stage of life (I don't recall the exact figure, but that's what I remember thinking when I read about it). DC also agreed to credit all future Superman works (comics, TV, movies, cartoons, everything) with some kind of notation that Siegel and Shuster created the character.

That should have been the final word. Both men agreed to it. They were elderly, but not senile. From what I've read, they were happy with it, going as far as to appear at a couple of Superman events before their health turned bad.

What will probably happen is that at some point in the next couple of years, Warner Brothers/DC will enter in an agreement with the heirs either giving them a massive cash settlement, or a percentage of all profits from future Superman works. It's not right, but that's what will probably happen.
 

tenlong

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i believe if you made the original comic and character you should be paid royalities for all things related{movies,books etc] to your character. This is a reason i like manga is that the creators{not the publisher] have almost total rights over their comics. If they want to leave a publisher or continue a canceled comic with another publisher. They can do so. They may have to change a few plot points though.
 
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tenlong said:
i believe if you made the original comic and character you should be paid royalities for all things related{movies,books etc] to your character. This is a reason i like manga is that the creators{not the publisher] have almost total rights over their comics. If they want to leave a publisher or continue a canceled comic with another publisher. They can do so. They may have to change a few plot points though.

What if you sign a contract selling that right?
 

iamnotincompliance

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Sounds like it's almost time for another [a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book_death[]comic book death[/a]. After all, death is [a href=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathIsCheap?from=Main.ComicBookDeath]notoriously unreliable[/a] where comics are concerned.

Given DC's relatively newfound love of multiverse altering miniseries, they could kill him off no problem, set up new continuity to where he never existed, tell the fans that, once again, everything they thought they knew is now wrong, and that this is how it's going to be now, deal with it. Wouldn't be the first time, and in spite of the title of the last series like that being called "Final Crisis", I doubt it'll be the last.
 

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man-man said:
Is it just me, or does this whole story reek of "Copyright fucking stuff up again"? That the story of a character as big as Superman can be cut up into chunks and then the rights to the chunks be owned independent of each other. Seems like the inevitable conclusion is one where no-one can do anything interesting with the character because the don't own the rights to enough elements of the classic material.

Imagine a Superman story/film without Kryptonite, or something involving Lex Luthor using Kryptonite to defeat "Ultraman"... it would suck. Would it really be so horrible if the whole thing was open to be used by anyone with an idea for it?
DC is natorious for fucking over writers. The fact is Siegel should own writes to his character, while DC should be renting him from the owner. Story lines about Superman should bring the creator and DC money, because it is his intellectual property.
 

Rigs83

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Jackpot said:
when does superman enter public domain?
When hell freezes over. They (as in Disney) keep lobbying to push back public domain status to protect their properties.
 

chozo_hybrid

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HG131 said:
Good. Superman needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. Batman is better. Name a good Superman game. You can't. Name a good Batman game (Batman, Batman: Arkham Asylum).
I don't know, whilst I'm not a Superman fan, I wouldn't say throw him out.

Batman is better? Sounds more like opinion than fact, they both have the means to take each other down if needed.

Also, Arkam can't be claimed as a good game until it is out. (Which I can't wait for! The demo was brilliant IMO)
 

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This is like a divorce case.... Exept Superman isn't real....... The strange thing is these guys are all like Billionairs, why they need moe money is a mistery to me.
 

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Virgil said:
Jackpot said:
when does superman enter public domain?
Assuming copyright isn't extended again, and hopefully it isn't, 2033.
sadly mickey and friends will stop that from happening and extend copyright longer

i personally like Larry Lessig's idea for extending copyright, keeping the original copyright length which is life+50 and then if you want to extend it pay $1 to extend it but frankly $1 is too much for Disney to pay for mickey so they spend millions and get the government to do it

samaritan.squirrel said:
I can almost hear the gleeful cackling of Alan Moore...^^
sorry Alan Moore wrote a couple good stories in the 80s, the ones since then have been rather idiotic and stupid and a good example of him trying to show how much he knows about stuff and how much more he knows that you

as for the topic on hand i'm sure they'll pay off the family to get everything about Superman back