DC Says One Of Its"Iconic" Heroes Is Gay
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Okay I'm gonna stop you right there, it can't be him, he has a wife and had a kid (don't know if he still does) but I doubt it's him.Gorilla Gunk said:
Couldn't be any of the JLA unless it's the Atom, I don't know much about him so he's my guess.
Which one of them? I very much doubt it's Hal Jordan which has his Star Sapphire love story thingy.sky14kemea said:
Too bad they specifically mention "heroes", I mean, if they were just talking about their iconic characters then I'd bet it's the Joker.
We all know he only has eyes for Batman, might as well make it official.
We all know he only has eyes for Batman, might as well make it official.
Ugh, the idea that DC would change one of its character's history isn't abnormal, but this is just such pandering nonsense.
Why not just make a new character gay, if their character's sexuality is so important to them?
I understand they are trying to push the idea of gay and hetero equality but to force it in our faces like "see, things you like are canonically gay!" is not the right way to go about it, I don't think that's going to change anyone's mind about this issue.
This reminds me of that shit a while back about people trying to out Bert and Ernie being gay, it's just annoying.
Why not just make a new character gay, if their character's sexuality is so important to them?
I understand they are trying to push the idea of gay and hetero equality but to force it in our faces like "see, things you like are canonically gay!" is not the right way to go about it, I don't think that's going to change anyone's mind about this issue.
This reminds me of that shit a while back about people trying to out Bert and Ernie being gay, it's just annoying.
Argh damn... I always forget there's loads of them.Boris Goodenough said:
The one from the animated Justice League cartoons. He's the only one I've seen. :/
I'm guessing The Green Lantern.
Still, why is DC Comics making such a huge deal out of it? Why does it even matter? This reeks of marketing. Even if one character is gay, it shouldn't matter so much that you need to announce it getting revealed.
Still, why is DC Comics making such a huge deal out of it? Why does it even matter? This reeks of marketing. Even if one character is gay, it shouldn't matter so much that you need to announce it getting revealed.
Wonder Woman, I think, would be a little too obvious. I mean, when did she leave that island full of women, again?
Batman, same issue. People have been joking about him being gay for years, both in and out of comic.
Superman has Lois Lane. Fans would revolt and burn down DC offices if he "came out".
Don't know enough about the others to make any further calls.
Batman, same issue. People have been joking about him being gay for years, both in and out of comic.
Superman has Lois Lane. Fans would revolt and burn down DC offices if he "came out".
Don't know enough about the others to make any further calls.
Yeah. I rarely ever consider the sexuality of heroes.Fappy said:
If they were in some kind of American adult comics (like Hentai) then I could see this being relevant. Otherwise it feels exploitative :/.
There was a time when what gender you had sex with was not a defining characteristic of your person, I think we've gone a bit too deep into a rabbit hole that just isn't healthy.
Mostly because some people can't handle sex and the moment they find out someone else is sexing in a way they don't they tend to overreact and people get hurt.
John Stewert? Well he has a child with Hawk Girl in the future.sky14kemea said:
Guy Gardner? Maybe.
No, there's pretty much no chance that it's Aquaman. The currentNew 52 Aquaman story (which is written by DC legend Geoff Johns and is actually one of the best of the New 52 series) focuses really heavily on the relationship between Aquaman and his wife Mera. To announce that he was suddenly gay would upset the most developed relationship in the current DC universe.Gorilla Gunk said:
The same goes for The Flash, whose comics have played on the "who will he choose in the end" drama between love interests Patty Spivot and Iris West, who are both women. And considering that the latest Green Arrow story arc was built around Oliver Queen (whose last name would have made him WAY too ironic a choice in the first place) getting seduced by identical female triplets, the best they could hope to realistically hope to convince anyone of was that he was bisexual. This also goes for Batman, who not only has a long history with so many women it's amazing he hasn't contracted Bat STDs, but also has a son, and has been with a number of women even just in the New 52 story-lines.
Next is Martian Manhunter who seems improbable for a number of reasons. Forgetting those related to cannon however, as they do remain in Martian Manhunter's case in a state of potential flux since the New 52, the logic of making the current Martian Manhunter gay as a publicity stunt would make no sense. First off, he's lost some of his iconic status as he's no longer a part of the Justice League, and instead is a part of Stormwatch. Secondly, Stormwatch already has the DCU's two well known gay characters, Apollo and Midnighter, so the choice to add a third to the team would be pretty ineffectual in terms of how much it would shake up readership. Not only that, but seeing as MM is the last martian, even if they made him gay there'd really be no where to explore that storyline without resorting to flashbacks.
The first Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) also seems improbable for the same reasons as Aquaman and Flash, specifically that his on again-off again relationship with Carol Ferris has been a recurrent part of the current storyline. The remaining three human lanterns are still possibilities, John Stewart, Guy Gardner, and Kyle Rayner, but none of them seem quite iconic enough.
It seems improbable that any of the Robins are gay (all of them but Damien [who is a little young] have at the very least implied interest in a girl within the context of the New 52 story-line). Nightwing might have the profile, but they've played with his relationships both with people from Haley's circus, and with Barbara Gordon (Batgirl). Tim, who's serving as Robin for the Teen Titans seems to have a thing for Wonder Girl, although the presence of Bunker on the team, who has already been established as gay, would play easily into the drama if he were the one. And Jason Todd (AKA The Red Hood) had slept with Starfire before Red Hood and the Outlaws even kicked off, though she's with Arsenal now, so I guess he's free.
The safest bet is probably Cyborg. His past as one of the main characters in the long running Teen Titans show, and his current status as a member of the Justice League certainly give him the high profile status. There have been no implications about his sexuality one way or the other within the New 52 DCU, and it would certainly bring a new angle to the strained relationship he has with his father.
The other possibility though, which I actually find far more interesting, and which could pay some big dividends for DC if they were ballsy enough to do it, is Superman. Supes has been long past due for a love interest who wasn't Lois Lane, and the current storyline would definitely be set up to handle such an announcement. New 52 Lois has been dating around quite a bit, and while there has been some implication that Clark might be interested in her, it really hasn't been anything more than just that... implication. He's also rejected attempts by other women to be with him, and his current moodiness in the comics would be very interestingly explained by the realization that he's been mulling over whether or not to come out of the closet.
And the politics of such a change couldn't be better timed either. Unlike Batman who has a fanatical following amongst the comic book reading populace, Superman has a very low readership. That is to say that he lacks appeal to the fan base he's currently trying to attract, and a loss to the already minuscule readership would not be devastating. Making Superman gay could revitalize the character in a big way if handled right. The current perception of Superman as symbol of "good old fashioned American values" (IE the perception of Superman which has lead to his wild unpopularity) would by necessity go right out the window as he embraced new liberal values. And the use of one of DC's two most iconic characters in that role could potentially attract the interest of a number of non-comic reading demographics as it would serve as an undeniable symbol of political view and good will on DC's part to make such a big and controversial change. There might perhaps even be some comparable precedent in a storyline occurring before the events of Flashpoint in which Superman renounced his American citizenship, another attempt by DC to reach out to those of a more liberal leaning and reject the Superman as boy-scout perception. That is to say that DC has been looking for something big to shake up and revitalize Superman for quite a while, and this would definitely qualify.
So while my money's on Cyborg, I'm going to go on hoping that it'll be Superman. I guess I'll just have to wait and see though.
hmmmm... Batman would be awesome. But as much as people aren't taking this seriously now, they would take it even less seriously and that could result in more harm than good.
Superman would be hilarious. And it would explain the vast uniform improvement of No Red undies. Also he isn't married to lois lane anymore so what the hey.
Aquaman;... Then who's gonna be the red lantern in darkest night (and yeah, i only know about that because of The big picture). Also yeah it'd be really low.
Green lantern; Definite maybe, i'd think this would be the one of the best, though ryan reynolds might take issue. Green lantern has done enough damage to his image.
Green Arrow; Don't know that he's well known enough. Though he'd be a good canidate.
Flash; This is my most likely candidate. not well known enough to cause too many issues but big enough to be a high profile. can't wait to see the jokes. The fastest man on earth is gay. it will be epic.
hawkman; see green arrow.
martian man-hunter; see green arrow.
Superman would be hilarious. And it would explain the vast uniform improvement of No Red undies. Also he isn't married to lois lane anymore so what the hey.
Aquaman;... Then who's gonna be the red lantern in darkest night (and yeah, i only know about that because of The big picture). Also yeah it'd be really low.
Green lantern; Definite maybe, i'd think this would be the one of the best, though ryan reynolds might take issue. Green lantern has done enough damage to his image.
Green Arrow; Don't know that he's well known enough. Though he'd be a good canidate.
Flash; This is my most likely candidate. not well known enough to cause too many issues but big enough to be a high profile. can't wait to see the jokes. The fastest man on earth is gay. it will be epic.
hawkman; see green arrow.
martian man-hunter; see green arrow.
People saying "Wonder Woman" clearly haven't read the article that says it's a MALE hero.
The reason no character is ever "outed" as heterosexual is because *it's fucking assumed* that they're straight.
Check your goddamn privilege.
I'm sorry, but when you're a member of a marginalized minority who still, to this day, is sadly lacking in positive, high-profile role models to call your own, it actually is kind of pretty fucking validating to have one of them come out. Because sadly, the world--and this country--are not as tolerant and sexuality-friendly as you seem to think they are.Grey Day for Elcia said:
The reason no character is ever "outed" as heterosexual is because *it's fucking assumed* that they're straight.
Check your goddamn privilege.
It's always marketing. Get over it. Each and every months DC and Marvel "markets" what they are doing. It's why they sell comics. To you Monark and Hal Jordan killing everyone was "just marketing". So what. It always is. If their is a wedding they advertise. If one of them gets a new girl friend they advertise. If one of them has their girl friend cut up and put in a fridge, they advertise.Bloodstain said:
I like your definition of "love". We should all have that kind of loving relationship.Boris Goodenough said:
Your Numbers are a bit dated or your definition of Low Readership is wrong.Kpt._Rob said:
03/2012: Superman #7 -- 66,588
03/2012: Dark Knight #7-- 75,297
Bat might be outselling sups by 10k but Sup's is still in DC's top 10 selling comics.
Low would be ranked at 121
03/2012: Grifter #7 -- 16,559
My privilege? I'm in a LGBT group here on The Escapist, lol. Kinda a genderqueer pansexual of sorts who made a thread a week ago about dating a transsexual.JerrytheBullfrog said:
If they had just written it into the story, that'd be fine. But they feel the need to tell us all about it like it's a big deal. They're the ones making the big deal out of it. I don't care who Batman or Superman or Spiderman or anyone else in the world finds attractive and the sooner people stop pretending like it matters, the sooner we can move on and grow as a people. It matters as much as the number of freckles on Batman's left ass cheek does.
Also, I don't assume anyone is anything. That you think it's okay to assume being straight is the default, says more of you than me.