Dead or Alive 6 Creator Director Shimbori Asks "Why does DoA get so much flak vs. other games?"
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You know there is this thing called 'gameplay', which is often a decent selling point for games. Soul Calibur is a really good 3D fighting game series. The 'theme' is weapon combat with a historical backdrop, though it has become increasingly fantasy, but still, its fun to play.Gordon_4 said:
Because it, as a series, failed to leave any other type of impact on mainstream media.
I know gamers love to rant and rave about teh journalists like it's Revolutionary France and they're the trodden upon underclass being oppressed by the evil reactionaries, but unless you're a DoA fan, the words Dead or Alive bring T&A to mind. Because the series never made enough of an impact to make most people think of anything else.
I know gamers love to rant and rave about teh journalists like it's Revolutionary France and they're the trodden upon underclass being oppressed by the evil reactionaries, but unless you're a DoA fan, the words Dead or Alive bring T&A to mind. Because the series never made enough of an impact to make most people think of anything else.
Gameplay is incidental to this aspect of the conversation; this about themes, ideas or particular quirks that are fairly unique to the series. However, based one what you say I'll revise my earlier point and say Soul Calibur's hook was historical fantasy setting.Saelune said:
Also fight me but Soul Calibur's gameplay is honestly kind of shit.
Guilty Gear already did the weapons thing before Soul Edge. I think SC's gameplay system with an emphasis on sidestepping and horizontal/vertical hitting moves was what made it noteworthy. It was more of a 3D fighter compared to games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter which while not 2D fighters were still struggling to find their own identity and implement the Y axis more fully into their systems. Also back in the days of the Dreamcast it was also known for having some of the best graphics for its time, it being back in a time where you saw an actual generational leaps in graphics.
Soul Edge came first by a couple of years. But Samurai Showdown beats even that.Dreiko said:
Soul Edge though was just a good fighting game at the time. But the big draw was when Soul Calibur came out with the 8-Way Run, greatly expanding on the 3D combat of Soul Edge.
I know some people want to write off Soul Calibur as another 'look at the sexy lady' games, but it got popular before that, and certainly is less obsessed with its sexy ladies than DOA.
Plus Ivy, despite how sexualized her outfit, really is a great female character. Strong, capable and highly intelligent.
It's not really one of the big mysteries of the world though, is it? I mean, I know Stephen Hawking cleared up a few of those, but there must be something left before we're down to wondering why Soul Calibur and Tits: The Game aren't seen in quite the same light.
Hmm, I must have mixed soul edge and the first soul calibur in my mind then, cause GG came out in 98.Saelune said:
I never liked Ivy as much as Taki but then again I never liked any of the DoA girls until Ayame was in Ninja Gaiden. After that she was always my main and she's genuinely a terrific char. Though that being said I don't actually play 3D fighters that much. From what I recall DoA is focused a lot on parrying whereas SC which I played a good deal more back in the day now introduced super meters and what have you which feels odd and like a system taken from 2D games lol.
Shhh! Anything but complete adoration and acceptance of creepy Japanese anime bullshit is now considered xenophobia, regardless of how contradictory and nonsensical.MrCalavera said:
Do you not see the irony in questioning media bias when you post topis like this?Paragon Fury said:
I mean, I can't understand why people would think of T&A when plahying the series. It's not liek they even marketed it as such....erttheking said:
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I prefer this one:Something Amyss said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbcMI0FjlBg
This is what the sixaxis feature was meant for.
For the DOA fans and others, who care what people thinks of the series. I swear, ever since the Last of Us released, gaming media has grown insecure and afraid "they won't be taken seriously" by others outside the media or those who dislike gaming to begin with. You're not going to change or please a majority of those people. so stop bothering. Games like DOA aren't holding the medium back. If that were the case, the film industry should've died years ago with its depiction of sex (non-porno) or violence.Something Amyss said:
I know other people in the FGC like to look down on DOA (not as much compared to a decade ago), but most of their fighting games ain't much better. Street Fighter has always had fan-service since the animated movie and Super Street Fighter II with Cammy's first appearance. Don't even get me started with SNK's games. Hello Mai and Blue Mary! Games like Tekken increased the fan service starting 3, and Mortal Kombat...do I really need to any anything else? If do or do not enjoy the games that is fine and all, but act like you're better than everyone else.
DoA delberately cultivated its reputation during the sex sells peak period of advertising; its a bit rich for any of its devs to sit there with their thumb up their arse and ask why they get so much shade thrown at them for overdoing it on the sex appeal.CoCage said:
They made this bed, they don?t get to cry foul about sleeping on the wet patch.
You're not wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that most things get a free pass whether it be films, games, movies, or TV shows that involve fanservice or sex. Those Street Fighter V had some criticisms when it came to Laura or R.Mika (even though she has always been fanservice heavy).Gordon_4 said:
And the fact that most of gaming journalism tries to come off as "progressive" or "feminist" is hypocritical on their part. When back then, at best they acted towards indifference when it came to the fan service. At worse they would slightly encourage it or act like it was no big deal.
Now look, not everything has to have fanservice, but I wish people would stop acting oversensitive about the subject regardless of what side you're on. If you don't like it, don't play it. There are plenty of other options.
I don't see the dev saying "we didn't market this game with sex appeal" as much as "other games like SC also did that but they didn't get the same rap".
Someone made this thread, so they care.CoCage said:
That has nothing to do with what you quoted, however. I think it's a little silly to complain about media bias in gaming "journalism" when the same person posts "interviews" that lob softballs and clearly push an agenda. An agenda TC is okay with, specifically.
Street Fighter 2's original releases still had panty shots from Chun Lee.
But this has already been addressed earlier in the thread by a screenshot comparing another series to DOA. It's disingenuous to pretend "has some fanservice" is the same as "is nothing but fanservice and explicitly marketed as such."
It's almost like the game built around fanservice is treated...like it's built around fanservice.
You're asking why a granola bar with chocolate in it isn't treated the same as a chocolate bar, and worse, this topic has been addressed multiple times in the same topic.
Obviously there's going to be a back and forth if we keep continuing. I repeat once again: why single out just DOA though? Yes it highly marketed the fanservice, but Soul Calibur is just as guilty to some degree with its later games (IV so much). The same thing goes for Capcom, Konami (Rumble Roses), SNK, Netherrealm, etc. People like to pick at the DOA volleyball games, but they're just spin offs, albiet they are canon (to the point where those pictures posted earlier seems like an unfair comparison; where is photo for the entire cast for DOA 4 or 5?). I don't care for the spin-offs, so I don't even bother with them. besides, doa 6 has pulled back on thefanservice. Sure, it's still there , but it's not as gracious in the past games. Koei Tecmo can remove all the fanservice in the world and somebody would still ***** about it. At this point, take it or leave it.Something Amyss said: