Dead or Alive 6 Creator Director Shimbori Asks "Why does DoA get so much flak vs. other games?"

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

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That's quite a few ifs there. And even then, that justifies the purchase of one character, not so much the others. Also, this metric only can really apply for a few games, as most people only play that number of games for extensive periods of time over a decade.

The presentation is a part of every game, there's a reason we wouldn't find it acceptable if the characters were all T-posing or floating red blocks that said "model not found." It not being as much as a central pillar doesn't mean it has no relevance.

People can be non-competative and still care about the way a game looks. Particularly considering the world outside of fighting games.

Again, presentation is a part of every game. Publishers wouldn't be putting out this cosmetic DLC if there wasn't some demand for alternate outfits.

You don't know if you like a char enough to main them without actually purchasing them the vast majority of the time. Like for example, when Guilty Gear became Xrd it cut a bunch of chars in the transition cause the new graphical style (one inherited by FighterZ) makes chars each take something like 3 months to create so it was prohibitively expensive to recreate everyone. So yeah, long story short my main in GG got cut (Holy Order Sol) and I was without a main in Xrd, hoping they would release him. I eventually figured I'd use regular Sol cause he's basically the same person story-wise, just older, but his mechanics are completely different to Order Sol's so it didn't feel right.

There was this one new char though, Sin (Ky/Dizzy's son) who I didn't know too much about and who looked a little silly since his weapon was a flagpole. He did inherit a version one of my old main's systems with his food gauge but outside of that he played very differently. Thing is, after I actually tried him a bit I fell in love with his style and he became my new main.

I still want my old main back but if I had never tried Sin I would prolly still be without a real main, and a lot of dlc is like that for a lot of people. Even if you don't hit the thousands of hours mark, you'll definitely get your money's worth even if it's just a sub. And also all those community revivifying benefits I brought up earlier.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Gamers do have a monthly income do they not?

Oh, yeah. Because all gamers get paid just for being one...

Get that noise out of here!

I meant that people who play games either have a job income.

Or in the case of kids still in school, ask for their parent's money in allowance.

 

[PurplePonyArcade]

I really wanted to pick up DOA6 but can't justify it at all.

 

[MrBoBo]

Because the video game industry has lots of liberal media commenters duh.

$2,000 and it can be yours.

While it's hard to do a headcount and figure out who is and isn't liberal, and while liberals are not the issue but rather interesctionals, there is indeed an overabundance of prominent intersectional games journalists and that is pretty much undeniable and the issue at hand, since those journalists are activists first and foremost and are using gaming to further their activism. Prime example is sites like kotaku and polygon but most of all eurogamer who literally twitted out that they wouldn't stop being political activists and stick to games lol.

I think the idea is that active liberal journalists are more prominent becahse they actually have ideas and say things. They provide an additional level of discussion atop the usual industry bought review scores.

What exactly do conservative game journalists talk about?

One Angry Gamer, niche Gamer, moe gamers. Aka literal hasbeens rightfully blacklisted from the mainstream sites and dont even make money.

Pete Davison serves as a very good example.

Sorry, but gaming should come from all ends of the spectrum, not just a bunch of leftist elite trying to dicate games for us. Which is exactly what it's turned into.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

The f2p version is out for those who just wanna try the game and not pay for cosplay gear.

 

[Saelune]

Because the video game industry has lots of liberal media commenters duh.

$2,000 and it can be yours.

While it's hard to do a headcount and figure out who is and isn't liberal, and while liberals are not the issue but rather interesctionals, there is indeed an overabundance of prominent intersectional games journalists and that is pretty much undeniable and the issue at hand, since those journalists are activists first and foremost and are using gaming to further their activism. Prime example is sites like kotaku and polygon but most of all eurogamer who literally twitted out that they wouldn't stop being political activists and stick to games lol.

I think the idea is that active liberal journalists are more prominent becahse they actually have ideas and say things. They provide an additional level of discussion atop the usual industry bought review scores.

What exactly do conservative game journalists talk about?

One Angry Gamer, niche Gamer, moe gamers. Aka literal hasbeens rightfully blacklisted from the mainstream sites and dont even make money.

Pete Davison serves as a very good example.

Sorry, but gaming should come from all ends of the spectrum, not just a bunch of leftist elite trying to dicate games for us. Which is exactly what it's turned into.

So you're saying sexism in gaming is purely a right-wing creation?

 

[CritialGaming]

So you're saying sexism in gaming is purely a right-wing creation?

I dunno if I would call it "alt-right", but I would certainly call it a fabrication.

Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex right?

I'd argue that the only part of this definition that video games had ever been guilty of is the stereotyping part of it. But here is the big problem with "sexism", it's a made up term DESIGNED to apply to anything and everything. Not only can sexism just be tossed around about anything and everything, but it is also very one-sided as the definition literally states it is typically about women.

But the term itself has been overly weaponized to serve a single narrative. Much like racism has been mutated into only applying to non-white folks, sexism only applies to women and to make matters worse it seems to ALWAYS apply regardless of context, intent, or actual subject matter.

In this very thread I've shown that the two mainstream advertisements for DoA6 (the game in which these pages of debate has been sparked from) does not play up any objectification nor sexualization of the female characters in the game itself. The fact that you can buy sexy DLC outfits for a game does not a sexist game make. But because sexist is applied to everything like corn syrup because the very meaning of the word is written in such a blanket term, everything and anything can be called sexist. Even if a game has literally no female characters what-so-ever it still counts because that's discrimination.

Maybe games in which you play a shapeless anthropomorphic blobs can something truly not be called sexist.

So the overwhelming hit-pieces written in game's media about sexism just start to come across as just fabrications in other to push an overarching narrative about how terrible the video game world is, and I think people are just starting to become sick of it. More and more of gaming new sites are losing traffic and credibility because people aren't interested in reading some nonsense about how Princess Peach is the most subjugated women in gaming history. People just wanna know whether or not a new game is good, or new about upcoming games in development.

It's why Anita Sarkesian and her little crew of hate mongers have fallen into irrelevance. Even the people that used to support her got sick of all the shit.

 

[Erttheking]

Sorry, but gaming should come from all ends of the spectrum, not just a bunch of leftist elite trying to dicate games for us. Which is exactly what it's turned into.

Oh really? All ends of the spectrum? We gotta get the opinions of actual man hating feminists? Atheists who think all religious people are drooling morons? White supremacists? Religious fundamentalists? Literal, actual, fascists?

Those are ends of the spectrum after all.

Also "leftist elite." Could you define this term please?

So you're saying sexism in gaming is purely a right-wing creation?

But here is the big problem with "sexism", it's a made up term

Dude? Literally every term ever said by man is "made up." We didn't come into existence with a big book of "actual words" dropped into our laps by god.

Also, thank you for proving a point I've been saying for a very long time. Countless people who complain about sexism against men only bring it up when they can use it to bash feminism. You want to talk about actual sexism against men? Men feel less comfortable reaching out when their spouse abuses them, men being raped is either scoring or a punchline depending on the gender, women are more likely to attempt suicide, but men are more likely to succeed, particularly when they're called pussies for having the audacity to cry or try and seek help. I have wanted to kill myself in the past because I felt like a failure when I was in my early 20s but still couldn't get a job. It's a real problem and I'm scared of what would've happened if I didn't have such a good support system.

So thanks for thinking that me wanting to kill myself was a useful tool to use against people criticizing your video games in your hyperbole laced post.

 

[CritialGaming]

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I don't know why my post made you feel that way, but I sincerely apologize for giving you those feelings it was not my intention.

I merely meant that the label of sexism is applied too liberally to anything that someone doesn't like. It's one thing to not like a game for art style, character design, and story. But I don't think Zelda is ever treated in a sexist manner, a lot of times I see that any negative drama applied to a female character is termed sexist instead of just the drama it is intended to be in order to motivate the player to push through to the story's conclusion.

 

[Erttheking]

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I don't know why my post made you feel that way, but I sincerely apologize for giving you those feelings it was not my intention.

I merely meant that the label of sexism is applied too liberally to anything that someone doesn't like. It's one thing to not like a game for art style, character design, and story. But I don't think Zelda is ever treated in a sexist manner, a lot of times I see that any negative drama applied to a female character is termed sexist instead of just the drama it is intended to be in order to motivate the player to push through to the story's conclusion.

Thank you. It's...a sore spot for me. I see so many people talking about how unfairly men can be treated but it's often a one-two punch of #1 being used to dismiss feminist criticisms and #2 only bringing up men's issues in a reactionary manner, never actually going after those problems on their own. It's always in relationship to talks about sexism directed at women.

On the subject of women in media, I think you may have a case of tunnel vision. Gaming certainly has gotten better over the years, but there's always room for improvement. Stay away from the drama hubs and you can easily find more positive talks about works of fiction if you know where to look, complete with more level headed critiques.

Let's be frank, the Escapist is not the place for level headed discussion or productive discussion, not anymore. Gamergate killed this place. I heavily suggest trying to find greener pastures, frankly.

 

[CritialGaming]

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I don't know why my post made you feel that way, but I sincerely apologize for giving you those feelings it was not my intention.

I merely meant that the label of sexism is applied too liberally to anything that someone doesn't like. It's one thing to not like a game for art style, character design, and story. But I don't think Zelda is ever treated in a sexist manner, a lot of times I see that any negative drama applied to a female character is termed sexist instead of just the drama it is intended to be in order to motivate the player to push through to the story's conclusion.

Thank you. It's...a sore spot for me. I see so many people talking about how unfairly men can be treated but it's often a one-two punch of #1 being used to dismiss feminist criticisms and #2 only bringing up men's issues in a reactionary manner, never actually going after those problems on their own. It's always in relationship to talks about sexism directed at women.

On the subject of women in media, I think you may have a case of tunnel vision. Gaming certainly has gotten better over the years, but there's always room for improvement. Stay away from the drama hubs and you can easily find more positive talks about works of fiction if you know where to look, complete with more level headed critiques.

Let's be frank, the Escapist is not the place for level headed discussion or productive discussion, not anymore. Gamergate killed this place. I heavily suggest trying to find greener pastures, frankly.

I am open to suggestions for sure.

I feel you on the state of this forum. Though I don't think it was gamergate that killed this place, it was the heavy handed modding that basically banned everyone. Hell it even has me nervous to disagree with people and I try to be very careful because I've been warned for nothing on more than one occasion. To the extent where people in the thread even wondered why I was suspended a couple of times.

When people are afraid to share opinions in case someone doesn't agree or is offended by it, it ruins any chance for discourse. (direct insults to users not withstanding obviously don't do that)

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Sorry, but gaming should come from all ends of the spectrum, not just a bunch of leftist elite trying to dicate games for us. Which is exactly what it's turned into.

Oh really? All ends of the spectrum? We gotta get the opinions of actual man hating feminists? Atheists who think all religious people are drooling morons? White supremacists? Religious fundamentalists? Literal, actual, fascists?

Those are ends of the spectrum after all.

Dunno bout you but I think if you could get all those people under the same roof without having them kill eachother, they'd produce something quite interesting lol.

Just because you are something that doesn't mean that your work has to reflect that in a direct way. I'm sure we've already enjoyed content made by people who fit in with at least a few of those traits juuuuust fine.