Deaf 3 year old's name in sign language not 'appropriate' for school.

[kasperbbs]

How is that offensive and what does it have to do with guns? Stupid stupid stupid stupid people. Did i mention how stupid this is?

captcha: 'it is enough' ,ok

 

[Darren716]

If my kid went to that school I would take themout as soon as possible if they think that signing a name is an inapropritate jesture I am not going to entrust them with my child's education.

 

[dangoball]

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My extreme sentiments on certain subjects aside, I tend to stay in the political middle, swinging a bit towards the right, for a reason, it stays away from this kind of insanity. The Right wing taken to it's extreme is just as bad, but right now it's been the rise of the left that we're dealing with. This kind of crap is pretty much the left wing anti-gun equivilent of an insane right winger trying to pass religious policies, it's just people are blind to the left wing right now and the needs for balance.

Interesting read, all that. I just wan to point that the way I was thought about politics, left is socialism ("for the people", ehm...), right is democracy ("by the people", yeah sure...) and middle is tradition/religious. Not to say that right wingers can't be religious nuts, just that under classification I was thought that would fall under middle-right (far/extreme right being fascism).
Might be just difference in regional source material. I'm not sure continuing discussion on what is what might be a good idea, 'cause then we might have to move it to religions/politics and since I've never set foot there and from what I've read about it in off-topic I'm quite afraid to do so (add the fact that my ideal state is ruled by single enlightened person with absolute power and I might find myself disagreeing with a few users).

And I've gone nicely off topic, haven't I? Something OT then.

Honestly I'm surprised that a deaf 3 yo can actually (at least somewhat) coherently communicate with his surrounding. Telling that kid to change the way he presents his name, while I fail to see anything obscene or threatening about the sight he uses, is just absurd and asking him to SPELL HIS NAME while he doesn't even know what sound letter A does is outright ignorance. Yes, deaf does not equal mute, however deaf-mute is not one of the most common combinations of physical disabilities just because it goes well together. It's because learning to communicate through sound is freaking hard when you don't know what sound is! But I guess that too difficult a conjecture for some people in US educational system to make. Oh well.

 

[Yopaz]

o.o

wot

so ... he can't spell his name cause it LOOKS like an offensive gesture

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<.<

can we get some not retarded people teaching please! it assholes like these that are part of the problem with the school system

I could have understood it if it was an offensive gesture, but that it looks like a gun. I could understand it if it looked as if he was flipping someone off though that would be retarded too. However a gun. His fingers look like a gun. So it can create chaos because a 3 year old makes an official sign part of the sign language and people get scared?

I'm not sure if I should laugh or punch something.

who cares what it looks like, that sign has been around longer then these idiots have been 'overly sensitive' well every thing, cept teaching, or preventing bullying ....

that and fact that this teacher, who is WORKING WITH THE DEAF and can't tell the difference between a finger gun and the sign, is proof enough some one is asleep at the wheel

I think you misunderstood me there. I said I could understand it the outrage if it looked as if he was flipping someone off, I did not say I would accept it. I don't see the reason to fear finger guns even if that was the intended gesture. The fact that they want to change sign language is despicable. Deaf people are already deprived of one of their important senses, being deprived of their language because people are stupid makes me pissed.

 

[LordFish]

You. Are. All. Being. Trolled. By. News. Media.

 

[game-lover]

All I could do was shake my head...

 

[Something Amyss]

I assume somewhere in the continent of America?
Seriously, every time I tell someone something ridiculous like this their first response is:
America?

You know what's even better? We want to ban gun sign language, but we want the ability to bring guns into schools.

 

[Something Amyss]

Deaf people are already deprived of one of their important senses, being deprived of their language because people are stupid makes me pissed.

Deaf people would probably dislike being referred to as being "deprived" of a sense.

Deaf people tend to also take issue with the notion of SEE as a "language" because it's not. It's a method of encoding English for deaf people. ASL is a language with its own context, syntax, etc. It's also generally their preferred method to communicate. SEE is more something that tends to get inflicted on them. Along with people who try and deny teaching ASL to kids because...I don't know, because maybe if they try harder they'll be less deaf? I don't know, it never made sense to me.

 

[Texas Joker 52]

o.o

wot

so ... he can't spell his name cause it LOOKS like an offensive gesture

>.>
<.<

can we get some not retarded people teaching please! it assholes like these that are part of the problem with the school system

I could have understood it if it was an offensive gesture, but that it looks like a gun. I could understand it if it looked as if he was flipping someone off though that would be retarded too. However a gun. His fingers look like a gun. So it can create chaos because a 3 year old makes an official sign part of the sign language and people get scared?

I'm not sure if I should laugh or punch something.

Hey, you never know, his fingers may be loaded.

In all honesty, this is really stupid. Let the kid sign his name any way he wants. Hes fucking 3. A toddler. The most offensive things a toddler can do can be turned around into something cute or funny relatively easily. Though, in some cases, it depends on whether whatever said toddlers do happens to someone else.

Regardless, I don't think him doing finger-guns should matter. Unless of course, he is a dangerous telekinetic, like Jenson of The Losers. But even then, he'd need a Cougar.

 

[Crimson Lucario]

I assume somewhere in the continent of America?
Seriously, every time I tell someone something ridiculous like this their first response is:
America?

You know what's even better? We want to ban gun sign language, but we want the ability to bring guns into schools.

Funny thing is a lot of Americans still see themselves as #1.
The only thing America is #1 for is making me laugh.

 

[Froggy Slayer]

FINGER GUNS ARE THE DEVILS WORK I TELL YE

THEY'RE MUCH MORE HARMFUL THAN ACTUAL GUNS

 

[Eppy (Bored)]

Wait, how does crossing your index and middle fingers in any way look like a handgun? The universal sign for 'gun' is thumb up with index finger straight out; I've also seen thumb up with index and middle finger straight out, but how do they even get 'gun' from crossed fingers? This is traditionally a childhood sign of good luck (alternately duplicity, when covered), not a sign that says "I want to reenact Columbine."

 

[direkiller]

This kind of thing is exactly why I've spent so many times fighting against the left wing. While both major positions in the US are borked, the left wing has an undeserved reputation for being some kind of champion of rights and freedoms, when in reality it's basically in pursuit of a kind of insane facism that denies any kind of common sense. At least with the right wing, even with the bible thumpers, you can see some underlying logic, especially when you consider the origins of the country. Things like this though are just insane, and honestly I kind of saw it coming a long ways off, but nobody really wanted to listen.

The basic story behind this comes down to the simple fact that the left wing holds a very solid "we believe in free speech, as long as it's the free speech to say what we agree with", in the name of "freedom" it's also been trying to shut down avenues of resistance against the authorities and the abillity to speak against social trends they support (hate speech, which can apply to so many things it's insane), and of course dedicated efforts to try and prevent the same kinds of civil disobedience and efforts that acted as a springboard for the left in the 1960s and 70s from being used against them.

When it comes to specifics, what happened was this little thing called the "Columbine Massacre" which while not the only school shooting in history, happens to be the most famous. Like most tradgedies, rather than the actual causes being examined, and the system properly reformed, it became a springboard for politics. The basic agenda the left wing pushed through was to pretty much try and ban all violence and violent expression from school, and demonize the bearing of arms (guns or otherwise) which has been a long standing position from the left. Passing these school policies lets them get the kids while they are young.

Over the years we've watched these policies go from people talking about violence in school, to talking about violence at all, to drawing pictures of weapons, to even wearing T-shirts and such which might have violent material on them. A movie T-shirt for "Clash Of The Titans"? Go home immediatly, the guy is holding a sword!. Over the years I've read a lot of things about this, and truthfully the violence ban has probably done more to keep people from reading comics (violent) on their lunch breaks than the arguement that comics were bad for kids to read ever did. I even remember a case a couple years back where a high schooler was expelled for reading Harry Potter (with one of those concealable book covers), due to violent content, and having the audacity to oppose this stupidity (I don't remember if it was overturned or not).

At any rate, trying to ban deaf kids from making "violent" signs under any circumstances is pretty much par for the course, and really it's because we've let things get this far politically. The kid's name is "Hunter" which implies you know hunting things (which traditionally means killing them) so it's not surprising the name involves an aggressive seeming hand sign... the next step is probably going to be to effectively ban kids from being named things like that, or forcing them to adopt a "school name" if their name is too inherantly aggressive. Give it another couple of years without some opposition to this, and we'll probably have politicians with books of baby names turning "what does your name mean?" from a fun fact to a way of making your life miserable. "Your name is Cassandra? That means Prophet Of Doom, change it or you can't go to school, if you won't go to school your parents go to jail...."

My extreme sentiments on certain subjects aside, I tend to stay in the political middle, swinging a bit towards the right, for a reason, it stays away from this kind of insanity. The Right wing taken to it's extreme is just as bad, but right now it's been the rise of the left that we're dealing with. This kind of crap is pretty much the left wing anti-gun equivilent of an insane right winger trying to pass religious policies, it's just people are blind to the left wing right now and the needs for balance.

Nebraska has a GOP Governor,House Representative,and a senator
last election the state's votes split 4R/1D(Nebraska dose not have a winner take all electoral collage)
so you can't exactly blame the "left" as the state has been very right wing

 

[Yopaz]

Deaf people are already deprived of one of their important senses, being deprived of their language because people are stupid makes me pissed.

Deaf people would probably dislike being referred to as being "deprived" of a sense.

Deaf people tend to also take issue with the notion of SEE as a "language" because it's not. It's a method of encoding English for deaf people. ASL is a language with its own context, syntax, etc. It's also generally their preferred method to communicate. SEE is more something that tends to get inflicted on them. Along with people who try and deny teaching ASL to kids because...I don't know, because maybe if they try harder they'll be less deaf? I don't know, it never made sense to me.

If we're really going to be politically correct here we shouldn't refer to them as deaf either, but this is not the topic in this thread. I am saying that it's bullshit to change either a name or a way of communication simply because it can be misunderstood, you could probably point out some faulty grammar in my post too and quote me out of context and make it look like I think we should kill all black people. I'm not intentionally insulting deaf people and if you had looked at the full post rather than a small bit that would be clear. I don't want to discuss political correctness, if you actually have a problem with me thinking they have the right to communicate with the official signs come back to me.

 

[krazykidd]

So , have we convinced anyone to move to canada yet? We got bacon ,maple syrup free healthcare... And smarter teachers . How bout it?

 

[Old Father Eternity]

You remember those threads that presented you with a situation where you had x amount of time of public appearance to say/do something.
Simply standing there looking directly at the camera with a extremely disapproving expression. *I am not even going to tell you what you did wrong, I am simply going to let you wallow in the paranoia and shame building up in the back of your mind*

This is one of several incidents that would deserve such a reaction.

 

[ThePS1Fan]

Is this a joke?
Please tell me this story isn't serious.

Edit: Oh it's serious.

Well it IS the United States... And Nebraska IS a Republican state... So I wouldn't be so surprised they're actually serious.

PC movement is all liberal Democrats though... We Republicans have a conservative interpretation of the Constitution, and since it says we have freedom of speech, we feel we should be able to say whatever the hell we want.

Yeah this has to be liberal, if it was conservative they'd be giving all the kids real guns to cut down on school shootings.

All kidding aside, this is retarded.

 

[Dags90]

You. Are. All. Being. Trolled. By. News. Media.

I think people are at least complicit in it. The article itself mentions that the schools official stance says it "has nothing to do with guns".

 

[John the Gamer]

Is this a joke?
Please tell me this story isn't serious.

Edit: Oh it's serious.

Well it IS the United States... And Nebraska IS a Republican state... So I wouldn't be so surprised they're actually serious.

PC movement is all liberal Democrats though... We Republicans have a conservative interpretation of the Constitution, and since it says we have freedom of speech, we feel we should be able to say whatever the hell we want.

Too bad some of the folks the Republican party chooses to represent it can't seem to stop shouting nonsense. Seriously; have you heard the crap some Republican senators and such throw out of their pie-holes? It gets really funny.

I'm rather glad I'm a European 'socialist' enjoying well-regulated healthcare and safety and all that. I really hope for the Republicans to get their act together so we can stop laughing at US politics.

I wish you the best of luck. Seriously.

 

[LittleThestral]

At any rate, trying to ban deaf kids from making "violent" signs under any circumstances is pretty much par for the course, and really it's because we've let things get this far politically. The kid's name is "Hunter" which implies you know hunting things (which traditionally means killing them) so it's not surprising the name involves an aggressive seeming hand sign... the next step is probably going to be to effectively ban kids from being named things like that, or forcing them to adopt a "school name" if their name is too inherantly aggressive. Give it another couple of years without some opposition to this, and we'll probably have politicians with books of baby names turning "what does your name mean?" from a fun fact to a way of making your life miserable. "Your name is Cassandra? That means Prophet Of Doom, change it or you can't go to school, if you won't go to school your parents go to jail...."

First of all, the hand sign used means "to run" and involves the handshape for 'r', so while I'm not sure why a boy with a name that begins with H would have an R namesign, it still has nothing to do with his actual name. Namesigns have different locations for signing, and usually involve the first name's initial (sometimes with the surname's) so, again, I'm confused as to why they're using the literal SEE sign for "to run" for anyone without an R name.

Secondly, the signing motions don't usually directly reflect some aspect of the person's English name itself; usually, adults are given namesigns that reflect their personalities, while I'm unsure of the naming conventions for children.

Lastly, the idea that anyone would seriously propose banning "violent" names (anyone who wishes to be taken seriously, anyway) because GRRR THEM LIBRULS is ridiculous.