Deaf 3 year old's name in sign language not 'appropriate' for school.
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accualy your observations are rather half baked.Therumancer said:
Where do I begin
First this has nothing to do with gun laws so why are you equaiting this to gun laws?
Secondly, you seem to get Federal grants to collage confused with how Federal money for public schools works. Or how things like this never start above the district level as public schools are run and funded by the state. Schools only get federal money based on test scores( See:No Child left behind).
this is the reason why what your saying for this case makes no sense. You can have Texas and Louisiana basically cutting science education out of the classroom but suddly this minor point is where "the left" steps in? Thats like trying to sweep up dust when there are still glass shards arcross the room.
Historically trickle down censorship(federal based censorship or state based) has always been a conservative viewpoint.
Probation is the biggest example.
"states or communities want, and getting kids while they are young to agree with them is part of that agenda, which leads to this kind of "insanity" in pursuit of what they consider the greater good"
Except "liberal" laws typicality come from court ruling not the federal legesator. Which means someone effected by this had to file the court case(The ACLU just can't simply file a court case they have to find a willing person in the community to represent). and are always reactionary to what history has been a more conservative view point of federally or state dictated laws.
Alright a little sense here, lets explain why school administrators are probably taking the line they are.
The zero tolerance policies include threatening gestures because threatening hand gestures imply a willingness to commit violence if able. What the policy is attempting to do is to weed such things out with the intention that A. it will reduce the violence inherent in school culture and B. it will identify people with issues before they become a problem.
Which brings us back to the current issue, why are they taking the hard line here? They think it will weaken their ability to enforce in future cases.
I'm not saying this is right, but zero tolerance policies aren't exactly flexible, you either enforce it or you don't. As such the reaction is understandable. Remember, the law is a cudgel, not a scalpel.
#peopleonmessageboardsoverreacting
The zero tolerance policies include threatening gestures because threatening hand gestures imply a willingness to commit violence if able. What the policy is attempting to do is to weed such things out with the intention that A. it will reduce the violence inherent in school culture and B. it will identify people with issues before they become a problem.
Which brings us back to the current issue, why are they taking the hard line here? They think it will weaken their ability to enforce in future cases.
I'm not saying this is right, but zero tolerance policies aren't exactly flexible, you either enforce it or you don't. As such the reaction is understandable. Remember, the law is a cudgel, not a scalpel.
#peopleonmessageboardsoverreacting
"We want to do what is best for every student in our district, and we care more about that than everything else,"
Well then leave the little guy alone! Not only is he deaf, your picking on him for the way he signs his name!?
"administrators were asking Hunter to spell his name out, letter-by-letter" was that said by S.H.E.A.R.D? Fucking dicks!
"A school spokesman called the issue a "misunderstanding" and said it had nothing to do with guns or weapons." so, it's just about being cruel to a deaf child?
Well then leave the little guy alone! Not only is he deaf, your picking on him for the way he signs his name!?
"administrators were asking Hunter to spell his name out, letter-by-letter" was that said by S.H.E.A.R.D? Fucking dicks!
"A school spokesman called the issue a "misunderstanding" and said it had nothing to do with guns or weapons." so, it's just about being cruel to a deaf child?
Okay, so you don't know what political correctness is. Moving on.Yopaz said:
Largely irrelevant.
Sorry, I must be assuming the internationally associated term is international because I think only America counts. I mean, I know "international" is not the same as "universal," but it is widespread across more nations than just mine. You can even find them in Norway, where you are listed as coming from, despite your "we're not supposed to" shtick. Just an FYI.
Yes, I use an internationally recognised term, whereas you argue for your local terminology, and somehow, I'm the ignorant one who is ignoring the cultures of others. Further, I am educating you on Deaf culture, something where you are woefully uninformed, as you rant about that same subject you don't understand, as it stands in the country about which we're talking.
Come on.
I guess you're going to dodge any argument of substance, but here's a couple quick points for you, in case you would rather address the issue at hand instead of complaining about PC bogeymen.
1. They are in no way barring the kid from communicating. They are simply asking him to sign his name differently. There are kids with names like "shithead;" in hearing culture, we do the same. Your argument that they are somehow discriminating against the deaf is crap.
2. That in no way means I endorse this measure at all, but there are a lot of applications of school's rights in this country I do not agree with. Again, I will remind you that this story happened in America, where this sort of thing does happen and where schools do have rather broad authority. It is completely irrelevant what your personal culture is with regard to this point.
3. I somehow doubt language that implies impairment or a lesser status is common in your culture, which means that was kind of pointless, too.
4. As was pointed out by, I believe Little Thestral, his name is SEE for "run." This is not a universally recognised term for his name. Most name signs are more or less a personal shorthand. The one I've used for nearly two decades now is a variation of the ASL sign for "big," because I'm 6'5" and have been since about the age of two. Even this, however, is not universal, and I will be called many things that essentially mean my name.
I'll get back to that in a minute, but the bullet point here is that changing that sign is far less important here than you would claim. Likely since you seem completely unfamiliar with Deaf culture.
5. I am neither Deaf nor what would traditionally be considered Hard of Hearing, but I was raised a stone's throw from a school for the Deaf, had HoH classmates, had some integration iwth said Deaf school, had to work with Deaf colleagues, and spent many of my formative years with a family that is ASL-fluent because I was dating one of the family members. Her brother is 100% Deaf. My current girlfriend is Hard of Hearing and aiming to be an audiologist, and as such has had a lot of education on and experience with the Deaf community, humbling my own.
I know what I'm talking about. I am not an expert, but you really seem to understand nothing and are dismissing knowledgeable talking points as political correctness. You don't understand what actual political correctness is, it seems, but it's amazing to me that you would shrug off such information in an act of hostility. Perhaps this is also your culture. It sounds more like hostility to knowledge, however. that's a far more common cultural phenomenon, one Americans know quite well.
If you want to have a real discussion about these points or others, I welcome them.
These people are freaking stupid.
This should not be an incident at all. I mean, jesus, the kid's deaf and you actually want to teach him not to say his own name because it's a gesture that (supposedly) looks like a weapon?
Y'know what, why don't you just get rid of writing implements too, pencils kinda look like knives, oh and sports, better lock up all those balls since they might look like bombs.
This should not be an incident at all. I mean, jesus, the kid's deaf and you actually want to teach him not to say his own name because it's a gesture that (supposedly) looks like a weapon?
Y'know what, why don't you just get rid of writing implements too, pencils kinda look like knives, oh and sports, better lock up all those balls since they might look like bombs.
Because it is evidently false. I think that's a pretty good reason. I don't really care whether you listen to my points, the points were made to educate. You can lead a horse to water, etc. etc. But hiding behind rants about "political correctness" and how you can't say "deaf" in your country (lol, false) are just cop-outs, and that's sad. I'm almost glad you have decided not to address any of my points, because it appears they would only be met with dishonesty.Yopaz said:
Yes, despite being officials elected in red states by red staters, the left wingers are in control. LIBRUL CONSPIRACEH!Elect G-Max said:
Yeah, you don't believe it so it can't be true. I do at least have the guts to admit that I don't care about what's OK and not according to your culture without throwing in accusations of lies.Zachary Amaranth said:
Deaf (døv) is a word that can also be used to describe someone who's stupid or boring. However I am sure you know my language and culture better than me.
That and the number of Deaf associations in Norway that use the word Deaf and speak of Deaf education both in the English equivalent and in the original Norwegian .Yopaz said:
In fact, with that, with the Deaf presence in Norway, I'd say my beliefs are completely superfluous to the issue at hand here.
Probably doesn't hurt that I'm not the one lying by all accounts. Would you like some other people educated on the Deaf to come in and explain the same things I have already explained to you?
And deaf in English can mean ignorant or unaware. That doesn't change its use by deaf people in both cultures. Funny that. I don't need to know your culture better than you to acknowledge the fact that there is a strong Deaf presence in Norway that call themselves (and others) Deaf in reference to their Deafness.
At worst you're lying and at best you're one of those folks who complains about straw-PC issues like Americans who say you can't say "black." I mean, in English, black can mean EVIL, so....
*shakes head*
I am not sure what we're doing here. I admit that I don't know as much about deaf people as you, but I do know my own language and I do know my own culture. You may have talked to a few and read a bit on Google. I have lived it.Zachary Amaranth said:
We're done here. The best you can come up with seems to be groundless accusations anyway.
Except you obviously haven't. Do you have a single logical explanation for why so many DEAF ORGANISATIONS in your own country use this word that supposedly cannot be used?Yopaz said:
You don't? You just resort to "I've lived it?" Well, then. We probably are done here.
The problem, however, is not with me.
This sounds like another false PC line. I doubt things would be significantly different had I been born and raised in Norway.
As I said earlier, believe what you want to believe. It's clear that discussing this wont ever matter. You will refuse to believe that there are different cultures out there. I have the balls to admit that I don't know or understand them all, but I can see that you're too insecure to do so.Zachary Amaranth said: