Dear FPS makers...

[Zhukov]

5) DOOM makes me sleepy.

That which you call "pure", I call "uninteresting".

I have nothing against the idea of some re-releasing it or drawing inspiration from it, but I don't see it as 'the future of the FPS' or some such.

 

[MorphingDragon]

4) DOOM is pure:
There's a story to DOOM. Here it is: You're a Space Marine. Your team is dead, killed by the legions of Hell that came pouring out of a portal on Mars, and now the only thing between them and ruling the Red Planet (or Earth, if you're playing the sequel) is you. Good luck with that.

Snore.

There are plenty more interesting things that could be done with FPS's if they weren't all trying to copy CoD and doing their best to make a set-piece out of your every fucking step. Why Crysis 2 moved on from what made Crysis so good (other then fitting it on consoles) is beyond me.

And if they actually bothered with a story they'd instantly become a whole lot more interesting. And no, CoD doesn't count, they just get chimps to throw shit at a wall covered in clichés and then put them all together, with some bad dialogue (and admittedly some decent voice acting, bizarrely).

So Doom 3? Not everyone is dead and there's some story development.

 

[Woodsey]

4) DOOM is pure:
There's a story to DOOM. Here it is: You're a Space Marine. Your team is dead, killed by the legions of Hell that came pouring out of a portal on Mars, and now the only thing between them and ruling the Red Planet (or Earth, if you're playing the sequel) is you. Good luck with that.

Snore.

There are plenty more interesting things that could be done with FPS's if they weren't all trying to copy CoD and doing their best to make a set-piece out of your every fucking step. Why Crysis 2 moved on from what made Crysis so good (other then fitting it on consoles) is beyond me.

And if they actually bothered with a story they'd instantly become a whole lot more interesting. And no, CoD doesn't count, they just get chimps to throw shit at a wall covered in clichés and then put them all together, with some bad dialogue (and admittedly some decent voice acting, bizarrely).

So Doom 3? Not everyone is dead and there's some story development.

Never played it. Don't remember it being lauded for its story though.

 

[Vibhor]

Never played it. Don't remember it being lauded for its story though.

Actually no FPS has been lauded for its story. Narrative yes but not story. Also, Doom and Half life 1 share the same plot. Doom is lauded for its frantic gameplay while Half life for its narrative. Go figure.

 

[V8 Ninja]

*cough-cough* [http://serioussam.com/]

Also, to avoid a low-content post suspension, here's the reveal trailer for Serious Sam 3:

[youtube:vdKzLOnVMZ4]

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Halo Reach has no cover based shooting, Halo Reach has no health regen, Halo Reach sticks you in equal parts tiny cramped corridors and large open spaces. Halo Reach has a story which can be largely ignored if you want to, making it a case of 'aliens r bad, kill they asses.'

But is that all you really want? I admit that modern shooters are not perfect, but I haven't returned to Doom since I was young, because frankly I didn't find it any fun. Same with Wolfenstein and Duke Nukem 3D. They aren't nearly as good as most people's nostalgia goggles lead them to believe.

Now I know you may enjoy it, but you're probably part of a small minority of gamers, and publishers need to work to the crowd that might actually earn them something.

That's why games aren't as expansive nowadays, because there's not enough time and too much graphics nonsense to deal with.

Halo does have health regenaration, but with the Elites.

So games like Duke Nukem and DOOM aren't as good as people think because you didn't enjoy them? Way to speak for everybody.

Never played as an elite, so wouldn't know. You can't play as them in campaign anyway though? Don't know.

As for the second point, yeah it was kinda generalisation, but then again, so is

'Doom is pure, in this day and age we need some of that purity.'

No 'we' don't. 'We' need many different things, some of us like story, some of us don't. I happen to believe that Doom and Wolfenstein and Duke Nukem (Especially Duke Nukem) don't hold up at all to today's standards. Of course many may not agree, but this is a friendly discussion about FPSs, not a heavily political debate where I need to very carefully construct my argument.

 

[Woodsey]

Never played it. Don't remember it being lauded for its story though.

Actually no FPS has been lauded for its story. Narrative yes but not story. Also, Doom and Half life 1 share the same plot. Doom is lauded for its frantic gameplay while Half life for its narrative. Go figure.

They have the same "evil gateway" idea to jump from, similarities outside of that end at the basic concept of what most first-person shooters are (one man army).

Never played it. Don't remember it being lauded for its story though.

I actually really like it when it really gets going, the first few levels are kind of quiet while they try their horror gloves on but after that they kind of go 'screw it' and you get a straight up shooter.

So what does that have to do with the story?

 

[Timeenforceranubis]

I just can't really agree. I don't think re-releasing DOOM would do very much for the FPS genre at this point. Re-releasing something like the first Unreal Tournament or Tribes 2 would make more sense as, while not particularly contemporary as far as modern shooters go, they both encompass features and gameplay mechanics that are still relevant today. I can't see a reason to re-release DOOM over something younger and more relevant.

 

[Vibhor]

Never played it. Don't remember it being lauded for its story though.

Actually no FPS has been lauded for its story. Narrative yes but not story. Also, Doom and Half life 1 share the same plot. Doom is lauded for its frantic gameplay while Half life for its narrative. Go figure.

They have the same "evil gateway" idea to jump from, similarities outside of that end at the basic concept of what most first-person shooters are (one man army).

I even have to explain that to you!?
Well listen carefully and try not to get distracted by something shiny across the room.
Here goes, In Half life you open a portal to another world and monsters start pouring in and murder everyone in the facility except you. After this it gets a little more complicated but thats like saying GTA 4 is not about a man taking revenge and then explaining the whole plot.
In doom a portal to hell is opened and then monsters pour out and kill everyone in the facility except you.
OMG THAT IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!

 

[Woodsey]

Never played it. Don't remember it being lauded for its story though.

I actually really like it when it really gets going, the first few levels are kind of quiet while they try their horror gloves on but after that they kind of go 'screw it' and you get a straight up shooter.

So what does that have to do with the story?

The pacing changes obviously. It goes from set pieces and and creeping along whilst voices whisper at you to "YOU! We need this doodad! RUN ************ RUN!!!" They kind of get that the long cutscenes aren't working for you so they drop it in favour of a more open experience whilst just using the story to drive you along rather than kidding themselves that a gamer grew up not knowing this story.

I mean, when push comes to shove how much do they need tot ell you? It's Doom, it's practically etched into the psyche of every gamer. We are never going to find it surprising that demons invaded Mars, no matter how slow the buildup.

Gameplay pacing can be separate from story pacing though. And I did mean FPS's should have good stories, not just stories for the sake of it.

Never played it. Don't remember it being lauded for its story though.

Actually no FPS has been lauded for its story. Narrative yes but not story. Also, Doom and Half life 1 share the same plot. Doom is lauded for its frantic gameplay while Half life for its narrative. Go figure.

They have the same "evil gateway" idea to jump from, similarities outside of that end at the basic concept of what most first-person shooters are (one man army).

I even have to explain that to you!?
Well listen carefully and try not to get distracted by something shiny across the room.
Here goes, In Half life you open a portal to another world and monsters start pouring in and murder everyone in the facility except you. After this it gets a little more complicated but thats like saying GTA 4 is not about a man taking revenge and then explaining the whole plot.
In doom a portal to hell is opened and then monsters pour out and kill everyone in the facility except you.
OMG THAT IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!

OK, so you've just validated my point that the thing that kicks off the story and the basic concept of first-person shooters are the same. That's not the exact same story.

Anyone can link touchstones, that doesn't mean anything. If not we're going to end up saying Crysis, Half-Life and Halo are all the exact same story because they feature aliens and power-suits. And there's a slight logical fallacy in saying "the stories are exactly the same, just as long as you don't pay attention to what happens after the beginning of each story."

 

[pspman45]

no
bad idea
It will turn into a generic brown FPS with cover mechanics and only being able to carry 2 weapons

It will happen
don't make them ruin Doom...

 

[smartengine]

TL;DR

Try out quake live.

 

[WanderingFool]

I would say go and play DOOM if you're bored with todays FPSs.

DOOM was an interesting game, but that doesnt mean it would rock peoples asses off today.