Dear old nerds, what were the old days like?

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NihilSinLulz

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Hello older Escapists. I was wondering what the nerd-life was like before it became mainstream. That is, before every book store sold graphic novels. Before the video game industry rivaled that of movies. Before dressing up and going to a con was seen with the same enthusiasm as going to a high-end club.

I grew up during the wave of acceptance for all things nerdy. Sure I got bullied when I was younger, but it had to do for other things instead of my interests. I've never faced discrimination or shame because of my interests.

So short-version, I'm curious to read stories of what 'nerd culture' was like before it became an industry onto itself. I'd also like to read personal stories of what it was like to be a nerd during this time, good and bad.
 

stroopwafel

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The early days were somewhat of a Dark Ages I only vaguely remember. I played videogames before and loved them but I didn't think I turned into a proper geek till 1992 when A Link to the Past was released. That game just blew my mind! It was also the time the arcade scene dominated the videogame industry with the console version of Street Fighter 2 being another watershed moment. It was a time before the internet when you relied on magazines for information. Which was both good and bad. Good b/c you didn't know everything about a game or even seen it in motion before it came out, but also bad b/c half the games in those magazines either would never see the light of day or would never be localized. So you'd get your hopes up for nothing.

Late 16-bit/early 32-bit(Playstation, Saturn) days were also great. Japan still dominated the games industry and living in Europe that meant most games that would be localized in the U.S. would never be released here, or with huge delays(Europe was considered an afterthought for a long time). Being still somewhat pre-internet that gave rise to awesome import shops that had all this exotic and new stuff I didn't know about. It also made me come into contact with other geeks(mostly Asian kids. :p) that shared the same interest in obscure videogame stuff.

Then ofcourse the PS2 entered the scene(which I would call the advent of 'modern' gaming) and videogames really became 'mainstream'. With the internet you had more access to information and online vendors and most games would get localized, so import shops slowly started to disappear. Despite that it was a lot easier to get games and information seeing something that fueled my passion for videogames for such a long time becoming redundant made me shed a regretful tear.

Then ofcourse the HD era of gaming took over and you pretty much have the situation as it is now. With the PS3 probably being my most played system of all time, since it had a lot of games I could only dream about during those early days. So for me nostalgic charm was being replaced with games I was absolutely blown away by. Something lost, something gained. :p

Damn, typing this down makes me feel like an old fart. :p I'm 31 and have always been somewhat of a 'closet geek' though. I love videogames, and always will, but I've never really expressed myself as such among people that have no interest in them.
 

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Well back then in the UK, it used to cost £20 for just 4 episodes of an anime show which normally just have trailers and clean op and ending! This was around the 56k modern/ birth of broadband era so steaming anime was only just the beginning.
Heh, I used to believed it was impossible for anime to get so mainstream cos of the limitation. Good thing I was wrong about that!
 

leberkaese

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If you want to see the old days you can visit Germany! :D Being nerdy isn't as mainstream here as it is in the US.

Not many people here are reading comic books and light novels. The former because we don't even read superhero stuff as kids.
I don't know many people that are watching anime despite the fact that we're watching them as kids - German kids even have watched Anime long before it became popular in the US. Anime that isn't meant for kids or teenagers probably won't be translated into German.

Heck, if someone cosplays as Altair or Ezio here, people call the police, because they think there's a crazy fighting monk on the loos: Klick [http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpanorama%2Fgesellschaft%2Frottweil-kampfmoench-laeuft-ueber-schulgelaende-a-979051.html] (Google Translate)

Only thing that became somewhat mainstream here is gaming.
 
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Well, I was graduating high school in the mid-eighties, so I guess I can speak as one of the older nerds here (not the oldest by far, but fairly well along the age line). This is from the perspective of the late 1970s and very early 1980s.

My first console was the Atari, the original. "Real" computer games came along with the arcade craze that brought such masterpieces to our local game arcade as Donkey Kong, Pac Man, Tempest, and Centipede. A quarter to play normally, unless your local arcade didn't use quarters and required you to turn in your dollars for tokens, useable only in that particular arcade of course. But that was OK, because they generally traded tokens in 5 for a dollar, so each game was only 20 cents.

The local bookstores might carry some science fiction of fantasy, but those were very niche genres near the end of the 1970s, so instead of a whole section, you would find only a couple of shelves dedicated to those type of books. And they were most certainly looked down upon as literature. Real writes didn't write that sort of nonsense. They wrote real novels. It was over the course of the 1980s that that attitude would change and the number of decent writers working on science fiction or fantasy grew large enough (and somewhat respectable enough) to warrant their own sections in the bookstores.

Since computers were in their infancy (Bill Gates said 250 KILObytes of memory was enough for anybody around that time), gaming fell into the realm of paper/dice RPGs. Of course, Dungeons & Dragons (Basic and Advanced only, 2nd editions was still years away) was the most famous of the bunch, but there were a fair amount of them circulating at the time. If you played these games, you were generally at the lower end of the social order in school and the craze claiming that the game was satanic was just beginning to balloon at the time. So yeah, playing the game got me more than my fair share of interesting looks.

Watching the world of gaming and computers grow up and change so radically over my lifetime has been generally amazing. I still have (boxed in the storeroom, but I do have it) an Atari 2600 computer. When my mother bought it for me, it was state-of-the-art. In those years, the large floppy disk was competing with the tape cassette a the means to save your data and games. I watched as the tape cassette went away and the floppy disks just got smaller and carried more and more information, then went away entirely.

Finally, as for cosplay. Well, let's just say that if you aren't heading out for Halloween, going to a costume party, heading to Mardi Gras or a Rio-style Carnivale . . . . then you were probably going to be considered mentally unstable. Dressing up in costume was for stage productions, not for general fun except under fairly specific conditions.

I suppose, if you want the TLDR version, the world has become VASTLY more friendly towards the nerd of the course of my lifetime. And this is not a bad thing. :D
 

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Buying anime on VHS for 30 bucks a pop, which usually included maybe two or three episodes. Nearly all dubbed obviously. The only times you could get a sub was when it was somekind of super special edition, or it was a title not easily marketable in America, like Urusei Yatsura, or Kimagure Orange Road. Pickings were slim. With the advent of DVDs it was like a giant secret vault burst open.

Also, buying gaming magazines and checking if they had free demos. I remember finding one that had the demo for Shadow of the Colossus and going completely apeshit. As I road home I protected that magazine like it was the crown jewel.

I never got bullied for liking games though, and by the time I got into anime I was already out of high school.
 

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I grew up in just the right time and place where if you weren't super-cool, you still got beat up and made fun of for liking games and anime. It was harsh because D&D was my passion and I was treated like a Satanist by my Mormon-run public school. I tried to start a D&D group, but got busted for "gambling on school property," because dice apparently have no other purpose. My Game Boy Advance was stolen twice, just to spite me, by the "cowboy" clique.
 

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I played ET on my friend's Atari console and was blown away by the scale and explorability of the game. I wanted to buy one, but my dad (bless him) bought the family a Binatone 4+2 console, which had 4 "ball and bat" games (tennis, squash, football and squash again) and a light gun which didn't work. Eventually my dad bought me a second hand Spectrum 16k computer and I religiously bought a copy of a Sinclair magazine and typed in the programmes listed inside. I mastered tape to tape copying - including microphone to speaker. My happiest moments were sitting on my living room floor, surrounded by casette players, 3.5mm jacks and cables and broken microphones with my mum warning me that I "would blow yourself up one day". I broke my rubber keyboard playing Daley Thompson's Decathlon. I finished JetPac.

In 1982 I electrocuted myself trying to dismantle a malfunctioning fluorescent tube. I did it again in 1988 by plugging something in for someone when they had driven the plug grip screw through the live and neutral wires. I knocked the electricity out for a significant proportion of the shopping centre I was working in and threw myself several feet into a pile of televisions.

Blakes 7 was my favourite programme. I grew up with the fourth doctor (Tom Baker), Sapphire and Steel and the Tomorrow People, but I had a soft spot for Thunderbirds and Fireball XL5. Star Trek TOS repeats seemed very foreign and exotic because of the high production values and American accents.

At school I learnt about networking using the BBC B computers. The fun was making someone else's computer on the network make rude noises during the lesson. The first lesson I learnt about computer security was how to protect my own computer from being manipulated in this way. I wrote a multi-user adventure game in 1988.

In the UK the were no game shops. Computer games in my area were limited to a shelf of sun-faded tapes in branches of electrical retailers hidden behind the washing machines. Most of the games were £1.99. Blockbuster games could cost up to £8. The most trouble I ever got into was spending this much on "Shadowfire" on the Spectrum instead of spending it wisely - and then lying to my parents about it.

I started on "Choose your own adventure" books, but then Fighting Fantasy books came out (Warlock of Firetop Mountain) and opened up the world of role-playing (D&D, Traveller, T&T, CoCthulu). I fell in with the wargaming crowd and then to live-action role-playing (Chislehurst Caves and around Dartford Marshes). There was a little model shop in Old Bexley which had a very small display of Citadel miniatures. I learned how to paint them badly. I am only now learning how to paint them well. I bought the 1st edition Warhammer 40k and all of the Battletech books.

I guess I got my fair share of bullying - but thankfully, my poor ability to understand the motivations of others, and my natural inclination for escapism meant I missed most of it through thinking about something else most of the time. Jibes were lost on me. People were nasty and I didn't really care much. I met several people with similar interests when I was 13 which made the end of secondary school not just bearable, but delightful.

I aced my exams and went to uni where I learnt about the Internet and made online friends. I helped writing levels for one of the first MUDs. I ended up in a job in Networking - I started before the web went mainstream selling e-mail to companies that relied in fax machines. Today I'm making a salad for the village barbeque this afternoon (in the rain). I am 42 and , apart from my family and fluffy dressing gown, I could be Arthur Dent. Douglas Adams would be proud.
 

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The Old Days of being a geek...

The mainstream public had no idea what the difference was between Star Trek and Star Wars. "Star Wars? That's the thing with Darth Vader, yeah? Live long and prosper!" Nobody had heard of Battlestar Galactica.

Gaming was an exciting new frontier - you actually had to buy games magazines if you wanted to see reviews or release dates, as there was no internet to speak of. Everybody knew that one weird kid who owned some elitist snob console like a Neo Geo. The Amiga-owning kids got magazines with playable demos on a floppy disc, which made the Sega/Nintendo owners rather jealous.

Before 1995 it was considered weird and obsessive to own a home PC. To use the internet you had to unplug your landline phone (no mobiles back then either), use a horrific noisy modem to connect, and then pray the connection held while you loaded single web pages at around 1 megabyte per minute, watching large images display one line of pixels at a time... You had a chunky 15" CRT monitor with a max resolution of 640x480.

Wargaming was much more personal and community-based. You'd get most of your gaming information through your friends - White Dwarf came out once a month and back then was actually a useful and eclectic mix of gaming, painting, fiction and editorial articles, unlike the slim, glossy brochure it is today. Visiting a Games Workshop store was like stepping into a crazy wargaming nirvana (OMG, their display army has TWO dreadnoughts! Overpowered or what! Can you imagine owning two dreadnoughts?!)

Japanese culture was a Wild West frontier. Nobody knew the difference between anime and manga, because anime VHS movies were sold by a company called Manga, very confusingly. As a kid, watching anime was an eye-opening experience: (It's a cartoon, but there's swearing, blood and boobies!? No way!)
 

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I graduated in 1998, on the tail end of Gen. X, which was the start of nerd-cool. It didn't happen right away though. I was around for the inception of the PC in the form of the i86 generations (286, 386, 486, Pentium, K5/K6, Pentium-II, etc), the collapse and rebuild of the gaming industry (thank you Nintendo, this geek will never forget what you did), the 90's awesomeness (Coffee? Tea? SEGA!!!!), and so on.
Growing up the idea of being way too into games beyond "Hey I've played Mario" was looked down upon as very uncool. One could easily be ostracized as an adolescent, a teen, a young adult, or anything beyond. As a kid it was different because kids could play video games and not be seen as a freak for some reason, but woe to anyone who played beyond a nebulous age I never figured out the numerical quantity of.
I also played D&D and holy shit talk about being put in a box and walled off from everyone else in your age group except the few friends who you gravitated towards due to interests (also probably because they were boxed in with you). In '93 (wow looking it up it was 21 years ago this month) Magic the Gathering released their beta and somehow I happened upon a booster box on clearance at K-Mart, probably a messed up order that they couldn't return to the distributor... it wasn't a first run set either, it was the beta because it had only the artists name, no copyright date, no trademarks and no expansion markings. Either that or a beta run of cards somehow made it into an official 1st edition booster box... Either way I ended up with a bunch of cards for a game no one had a fucking clue how to play.
It was a confusing time, we also got to see 1st gen Pokemon. Yes Virginia, there was a time before Pokemon existed. Back then we just huddled in caves terrified of the sun and shit...
Man, how many things were introduced in my youth that are staples today... too numerous to list. Oh yeah and I was on the ground fucking floor for the anime tsunami... I almost drowned in Robot Carnival (which terrified me for some odd reason) when it was being shown on Scifi Channel (dear god I remember a time before SyFy, before Sharknado, Megashark... good god they showed Anime on SciFi? WTF?) Oh and MST3K... if you didn't see it back in the day you're just a poseur ;)
My my was it good to be on the ground floor for all this, back before there were SJW debates about Lara Croft's exploitation or Samus' wearing high heels.
Remember when you could buy a game without worrying whether or not you might get into an argument over the lack of women or minority races in lead parts? Pepperidge Farm remembers...
 

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I'm not sure I was ever (and still not) a part of geek/nerd culture. Sci-fi, anime, comics, superheroes... I've never liked any of them. Okay, so I did love the Madballs comic books back when Madballs were huge, but those weren't even close to the standard fare. They were disgusting, and to this day, I'm drawn toward the macabre and the hideous. ;)

From an early age, I was into games and computers. My mom had me two months after she turned 18, so we've always been more like best friends than parent/child. She used to take me with her to the arcades several times a week from about '81 to '83 (when my mom was between 22 and 24 years old). However, at that time, the arcades were where the cool kids hung out. Their shift in reputation from "the place to be seen" to "geeky-kid haven" didn't occur until the mid-to-late '80s.

Mom and I had an Atari 2600 at home and we played the shit out of it. She used to kick my ass at Pitfall, and I still "congratulate" her in a snarky fashion for her prowess in defeating a five-year-old. ;) The Atari wasn't exactly geeky though - that reputation was almost exclusively reserved for the Commodore, which I never had.

Strangely, in second and fourth grade (I skipped first and third) I was the outcast for not liking sci-fi, Doctor Who in particular. I was put into a school for gifted kids after the public school system told my parents that they had nothing for me (actually, it was more like the public schools begged my parents to take me off their hands immediately after I finished kindergarten). At the gifted school, the kids were more into reading and sci-fi than they were into physical activity. Recess was a bore for me because almost all of my classmates were "playing" Doctor Who in the same way that other children play house. My main interest was music, which at the time meant New Wave. That wasn't exactly popular with my classmates, leaving me with almost nothing in common with them. As a result, second grade was the year that I read Moby Dick and The Count of Monte Cristo, reading them exclusively during the year's daily recesses. Not at home and not on weekends - only one hour each day, five days a week, for nine months.

Those kids also lost respect for me when I regularly kicked their asses in fencing. ;) What can I say? We lefties often have a huge advantage in swordplay!

My dad pulled me out of the gifted school after the first half of fourth grade, but even at my new school, I failed to fit in anywhere. Two years of little-to-no interaction with peers took their toll on my social development (though the severe beatings and daily child abuse from my stepmother didn't help either). If it weren't for my stepmother's rule that I wasn't allowed to have friends or interact with anyone my age, I might not have been the awkward quiet kid who eventually became the target of every bully in my class. However, that bullying resulted in my forming bonds with the other outcast kids. They were the kids who owned Commodores, played D&D, and talked about comics. The geeky kids! And though I didn't own a Commodore, never played (or had an interest in) D&D, and didn't like comics or sci-fi, the fact remains that they never shunned me and I felt a kinship with them. They were bullied for being geeks, and I was bullied by association.

I should probably also state, for the record, that I kept befriending the geeky kids at every school I went to after the gifted one. By "every school" I mean the school I went to for the last half of fourth grade and for fifth grade [footnote]I was literally kicked out of this school because I was bullied so often that the administration said they couldn't continue punishing every kid in my class - at this school, I literally had no friends. I suffered bloody noses from my classmates, a cut on the back of my head that needed stitches, bruises all over my body, getting locked in the classroom closets, and was once even held down and thrown out of the classroom window before class started[/footnote]; the school that I then went to for half of my second fifth grade year [footnote]I chose to do fifth grade twice because I was the age of a third-grader while my fifth-grade classmates were entering puberty. The bullying I suffered was in part because I was over a head shorter than almost everyone in my class[/footnote]; another school I went to for the end of fifth (part 2) and all of sixth; my first year of junior high at yet another school; my second year of junior high somewhere else (I switched districts after mom got custody of me) and then, finally, all four years of high school in one place.

Though I couldn't tell you from personal experience what "geek culture" was like back in those days, I DO know that my "nerd" friends were picked on mercilessly because of their interests, and even more so because of their almost-universal lack of interest in sports. I was picked on just as often as they were due to my association and friendships with them. However, by eighth grade, I did finally have something in common with the geeky kids who I gravitated toward: an interest in computers and computer games. We'd trade games all the time as well as tips on how to navigate MS-DOS, and we could talk for hours about sound and video cards. I admit, I was jealous of my friends who had EGA graphics and/or Soundblaster (or Tandy) cards in their computers. Ah, those were the days!

During the break between 10th and 11th grades, I went all-out goth, and though I ran around with a different crowd after that, our friend pool overlapped significantly with the geeks seeing as we were all fellow outcasts. Some (but by no means all) of the bullying I suffered stopped after I began eating lunch with the black-wearing, guitar-toting, punk/goth kids, but I do know that it never let up for the geeks. They remained easy targets because they continued sitting at the lunchroom tables playing cards or D&D, whereas I moved to the back hallways on cold days, or the hill outside the school when it was warm. Jocks often picked on the geeks and, just as often, got away with it because the culture of the school was sports-oriented. Sometimes the geeks would get suspended after they got beaten up, with the administration concocting some bullshit reason why it wasn't the jock's fault.

That exact scenario happened to me once during my goth years. One day, I got repeatedly punched after I leaned over in my desk to get a book out of my backpack. Because I was leaned over, I never saw the attack coming. I also didn't see it coming because my cowardly attacker came up on me from behind. The guy (yes, GUY!!!) who attacked me, completely unprovoked, was a member of the football team. He was wearing his jersey that day as all jocks did on the day of, or before, a game. He beat me up on the day before the Thanksgiving weekend, and if the administration suspended him, he wouldn't have been able to play in the big Thanksgiving weekend game against our school's main rivals. The jock and I stood in the office of one of the school's deans, me with a bruised face and bloody lip (dressed all punk that day) and him with bruised knuckles, wearing his football jersey. I stood in horror when I got suspended because I "must have said something to provoke him." Those were that *****'s exact words.

My geek friends had to put up with the exact same thing happening to them repeatedly, as did my goth/punk friends.

So that's a small window into how nerd/geek culture fared during my preteen and teenage years, roughly between '88 and '95. I graduated high school in '95, and that was the last time I saw extreme victimization of that culture. I ran with the same type of crowd during my first year of college and we never experienced violence or nastiness of any sort.

There's one last thing I should mention that might be of significant importance when you consider my story of how we were treated. My high school? Columbine. Yes, THE Columbine High School that became the site of the nation's worst school shooting in '99, four years after I graduated. Sure enough, the shooters were two outcast kids whose goal on that day was to kill as many jocks as possible. Nothing in the world excuses their disgusting actions, but I'm pretty sure that the catalyst of their hatred was that they suffered the same mistreatment from the jocks and the school administration as my high school friends and I did. So while the talking heads on TV were blaming Marilyn Manson, The Matrix, and video games, I sat back and seethed about how fingers were being pointed everywhere except for the upper-middle-class bullies, their parents who did nothing to stop them, and the complicit upper-middle-class school administration who worked tirelessly to further persecute the persecuted.

So yeah... my experience of how geeks were treated might be somewhat more brutal than what others went through.
 

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Well my mum was born in the 1960, and she was what I'd describe a nerd, good at school, read a lot, liked Batman.

I don't know much about her school-life, but she got no encouragement at home. Her mother always told her reading too much will make her crazy, and since her sister was so bad at school, the parents didn't want to draw any attention to her successes so that the sister didn't feel jealous.

Which is why she has always encouraged my nerdy interests, telling me that it's good to be very focused on something and love it.


As for me, at school I was bullied, it being mostly about me being good at school though.
Although I also singlehandedly made Star Wars unpopular in our class in elementry school.

Some boys were talking about how they had seen Star Wars (on tv) and I butted in the discussion because I had seen it too and told them I liked it.
And they went "Well that means it must be shit."
 

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Ten Foot Bunny said:
Wow. That's, well... incredibly shitty. I mean, I copped my fair share of crap during my school years, but nothing quite like that. (I was a nerd, but I had the good fortune to be a rather large nerd.) Having the school staff be in on it just takes it to a whole other level. I imagine that would have felt like quite the betrayal.

I was going to say something to the effect of, "I'm sorry that happened", but that seems both awkwardly out of place and altogether inadequate.

Well, for whatever the hell it's worth, you have the sympathies of Random Internet Person #68849030561.
 

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Well, I'll take this as invitation and license to hum on as a man old before his years. I will spare you speeches of three-mile walks, but I will not hide the horrors of Contra, of Super Ghouls and Ghosts, of games that largely didn't have checkpoints and naming Final Fantasy Blockbuster rentals as, "Please. Don't. Erase.". I will attempt to keep my nostalgia glasses opaque and free of muddling my memories, but I make no promises. Born in 1985, a nineties kid, I live in a strange generational purgatory. We are considered young by older Gen-X'ers and old by Millennials, simultaneously existing in both groups but belonging to neither. I lived in an "Urban Suberb" and if that confuses you, good --because it confuses those who live there just as much. Google "Norwalk, CT" and look at its idyllic pictures and then Google, "Norwalk, CT Crime Rate" and you'll get the idea, and like most cities, the numbers of assault and robbery have dropped since the nineties. I preface that because --while I grew up loving anime, video games and (later) tabletop games. My experience with computers was limited in my youth. People (the poor whom I grew up with) would scrounge up money to get the new shiny Playstation ("That shits got polygons, dog!")but NO ONE had a computer. Let that sink in for a second. So my desire to lose myself in the original Dragonlance Chronicles, Spider-Man comics and my Sega Genesis had as much to do with trying to escape the drugs and gang violence as it did being a nerd. As I continue, this will make sense, I promise.

The early days were the Arcades. In these places, neon lights were high, florescent was dim and all around you was the ambiance of beeps, lasers and 16-bit fx. In short, when you were there, you weren't just there to play games, you were almost, in a surreal sense, in one. This place is the best analogue to a convention as I can think of. Here, the "cool kids", "the Joes" and "the geeks" all convened. It was almost like an U.N sanctioned neutral territory for social circles. It was okay to be gamer, as long as you were at the arcade. Was there trash-talking? You bet. However, the litany of racist slurs and general insults you hear on Xbox Live would have been a fantastic method of getting dragged out into the alley, gang-beaten and getting your pink prize tickets stolen. It was through the large, cooperative coin-crunchers that I increased my social currency (Time Crisis and X-Men:Arcade, to name a few). "Hey, that kid plays games all the time. Ask him to join us. We can't get past The Blob." But as the nineties dragged on, home console games steadily and steadily put them out of business (I can play all the games by turning to channel three, and no coins?) So that died out.

The nineties and video games: This was like being in a funhouse where every turn was something nuts and exciting. Consider, in 1994 we were killing mooks in 2D side scrollers and one year later, jumping off platforms in three-dimensions. Sega and Nintendo were powerhouses, stone giants locked in a seemingly eternal battle and Sony was this hip upstart. Electronic Arts was praised as a visionary business, buying up studios and consolidating them in the fashion of an infant imperial order, showing the world video games were a legitimate business in the west. We only got news of new video games through monthly releases of magazines, "Oh, is that Final Fantasy Seven? They're making another one? And it's only three months away." I can't wait to see more screenshots NEXT MONTH.

The late nineties had this incredible 'Brave New Frontier' for gamers. Where are video games going? Will it be accepted as a past time? Will there be someone who ripped the spleen out of Shang Tsung in the White House? Games are getting better looking, more polished, bigger budgets, more bombastic, better stories (they hired 'REAL' writers for Baldur's Gate!). We were growing up in sync with the medium. If members of my generation seem overly cynical, it probably has much to do with the excitement and wide-eyed anticipation of those years, and all that came after.

This is around the time my family moved cross Country (Florida, to be exact). In 1999, I left the gangs and violence for a wholly sub-urban community. So my shift in location and, basically my whole world as I knew it coincided with the first cracks of 'Geek Culture' becoming mainstream. The first kids I met in my neighborhood all owned computers --every last one of them. We hung out in the sun and then I heard words that struck me so hard, they stay with me to this day. "Hey, mom and dad want me home, but we'll all get on AIM and chat tonight." -- "What the f&*% is AIM?" Keep in mind, most people I knew put together drug money to buy a Playstation, and every kid I met in this strange place had a personal computer given to them by their parents. That's not complaining, my parents did their best, but I couldn't have been more floored. "Why would we chat? We just talked! And kids here have curfews?" As those years went on, I joined other kids for all-night Perfect Dark sessions, met my first D & D group and watched in awe as the first Spider-Man, Harry Potter and Lord of The Rings films were made. The moment things I can define as 'things have changed' was during my senior year, a cheerleader came up to me because she wanted to understand the Lord of The Rings films better, "Why is that necklace so important? Who is that elf that meets up with everyone before that night battle?" --"His name is Haldir, he's actually not really important. He's not even supposed to be there." I discussed Spider-Man lore with girls in my Drama class, "Toby Maguire is so hot.". The gradual, possibly irrevocable shift was upon popular culture. We were two wars in, no end in sight and everyone was finding the magic in fantastical escapism.

Now, almost thirty, I look at the things I do now versus how I pictured them as a child. I went to a showing of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug with a group of people who cosplayed as elves and dwarves. The people in the theater complimented us on the designs and costumes. I talk Minecraft mods with my fifteen-year-old nephew, I make Star Wars jokes around attractive women cosplaying as stormtroppers and imperial agents who laugh and are engaged with what I have to say (that some geeks find this to be a bad thing astounds me - and they know their canon! Fake, my a**) The lines have broken, there aren't any U.N. divides among social circles anymore (economic class circles, oh yes, but that is a different matter entirely) and the only lines in the sand seem to be based on what we have to offer as people. Will it last? Nothing ever does, but it is just as surreal as walking into that arcade, being engulfed in the lights and 16-bit bleeps and thinking, "I am in another world."

Thank you for indulging me. This was fun.
 

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My main "old nerd" cred is probably in the anime/manga department, since that's what I was most into when I was younger. Back in my day, very few people had internet fast enough to download movie files in any reasonable amount of time -- a single MP3 could take hours on dial-up -- so for a while the only way to get anime that wasn't available in the US was to buy fansubs on VHS from EBay. Four episodes a tape, and sometimes a tape would come with an episode or two missing subtitles, but it's not like you could return anything.

I remember one time we were watching Vampire Hunter D at a friend's house, and her mother came downstairs, took one look at what we were watching, and kicked us out of her house for being Satanists (I suppose because of the vampires?). The best part is that her daughter was the one who had bought that particular tape, but of course we pretended it was ours to take some of the heat off. This probably says more about my friend's mom than the era, but it was wayyy before True Blood and Twilight and all that mainstreamed vampire stuff. (Full disclosure: Yes, many parents in my hometown thought Harry Potter would convert your kids to Satanism, too. Sigh.)

What others have said about the dearth of Sci-Fi/Fantasy books in stores is very true, and I have been fascinated to watch the transformation of my hometown Books-A-Million. When I was a kid back in the 90's, there were two or three shelves in the whole store with Sci-Fi, mostly brand-new Star Wars novelizations and a few classics, in the extreme back of the store by the magazines. Fantasy fared about the same. (The majority of my book shopping was done at the local used bookstore, which had a lot more Sci-Fi, and for a while some old comics too.) There was a small stand with new-release issue comics, and maybe a few trades/graphic novels/the handful of available manga (Ranma 1/2, Sailor Moon, Fushigi Yuugi, maybe some CLAMP). These days there is an entire manga section (8+ shelves), same for Sci-Fi/Fantasy, AND the store now has a huge geek merchandise section (TARDIS tights, plushies, figurines, all kinds of stuff). I know part of that is the struggle for bookstores to stay relevant in the digital age, but it's still crazy to me.

I don't remember being bullied by other students for liking nerdy things, specifically, but I knew it meant I was supposedly some kind of weirdo outcast. Those interests also completely defined my friend pool -- there were a dozen or so kids who did theater and liked anime, so we banded together throughout middle and most of high school. We would trade graphic novels and fanfiction and get together on weekends to watch things. One of the popular guys at school decided to semi-"ironically" get really into the Pokemon GameBoy games, so it was considered cool to like that. We also had a regular Magic: the Gathering group that met in the school cafeteria before class every day, and my town had a weekend Pokemon card trading meet-up as well. (In retrospect, I may have grown up in an especially nerdy place.) I also had an awesome middle school teacher with a young daughter who was into anime; the teacher introduced me to some of the older kids who shared my interests and would become my primary friend group.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Buying anime on VHS for 30 bucks a pop, which usually included maybe two or three episodes. Nearly all dubbed obviously.

Lol, I know right. Anime was ridiculously expensive b/c you had just one distributor(Manga) that put half-hour episodes on separate tapes and sold them for indeed 30 bucks. It was a total rip-off. A good alternative was to rent. I remember the videostore I frequented had a separate rack for 'manga movies'(the way they called it) that was right next to the porn section. So I always stood right next to this kind of sleazy curtain that separated the porn section from the rest while (mostly) fat old boogers were wandering in and out. :p

It didn't last long though, the videostore never bought new stuff and I think after 3 weeks or so I'd seen everything they had on offer(which wasn't much). Still, after having seen Akira, AD Police, The Guyver(original OVA), Genocyber and Devilman(don't blame me I was still a kid :p) I was hooked.

As far as graphic novels go, well I lived close to a comic book store that had a ton of them. It really cemented my love for (espescially) Batman. That store had almost all of the newest releases that just came out in the States. Not just that but it had all of the newest action figures as well. It was another geek heaven for me. Funny thing is that the place still exists. I still occasionally visit the store and its like walking into my childhood. It still smells the same, looks the same and sounds the same with classic rock blasting through the speakers. Even the dude behind the counter is still the same! Just older and wrinklier. :p I always get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I see the store and walk into it.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Buying anime on VHS for 30 bucks a pop, which usually included maybe two or three episodes. Nearly all dubbed obviously. The only times you could get a sub was when it was somekind of super special edition, or it was a title not easily marketable in America, like Urusei Yatsura, or Kimagure Orange Road. Pickings were slim. With the advent of DVDs it was like a giant secret vault burst open.
God, I remember finding Tekkaman Blade II in stores and buying the first two VHS dubbed, then getting the third subbed. I was pretty surprised that there even was two versions at the time, for the exact reason you gave: it simply wasn't common to have both a dub and a sub version on shelves. Worse, because they literally only stocked the last one in subtitle format and the others in English dub where I lived.

Years later, I would get it on DVD, which had all the episodes on one disc and both language options. Of course, by the time I found it on DVD, I'd have a couple dozen other anime DVDs that did the same, so it wasn't special. It just stuck out because of the trouble I had finding a matched set.

Also, because anime was so pricey, I generally just didn't bother. I'd rent whatever came into the local rental shop, but that was usually only five or six VHS cassettes every few months (at best).

On a similar note, I've only recently started reading Manga for similar reasons. I'm used to Manga being ridiculously expensive. Then I saw volumes of Bleach were like five bucks on Amazon and wondering what other Manga might be priced and sweet Jeebus, I'm probably going to go broke. But at least I won't go broke buying five or six volumes of a Manga that may or may not see a complete import.
 

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stroopwafel said:
Casual Shinji said:
Buying anime on VHS for 30 bucks a pop, which usually included maybe two or three episodes. Nearly all dubbed obviously.

Lol, I know right. Anime was ridiculously expensive b/c you had just one distributor(Manga) that put half-hour episodes on separate tapes and sold them for indeed 30 bucks. It was a total rip-off. A good alternative was to rent. I remember the videostore I frequented had a separate rack for 'manga movies'(the way they called it) that was right next to the porn section. So I always stood right next to this kind of sleazy curtain that separated the porn section from the rest while (mostly) fat old boogers were wandering in and out. :p

It didn't last long though, the videostore never bought new stuff and I think after 3 weeks or so I'd seen everything they had on offer(which wasn't much). Still, after having seen Akira, AD Police, The Guyver(original OVA), Genocyber and Devilman(don't blame me I was still a kid :p) I was hooked.
There was a similar set up at my videostore. They ultimately got rid of the whole stash (which was like maybe 10 or 12 tapes), but not before I was able to buy a couple of 'm for cheap. I think I got a few tapes of The Guyver and 3x3 Eyes.

And oh man, I remember Genocyber... I wish I didn't, but I do. I'm honest in saying Urotsukidoji has more artistic merrit. And if you've seen that one, you know that says a lot.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
God, I remember finding Tekkaman Blade II in stores and buying the first two VHS dubbed, then getting the third subbed. I was pretty surprised that there even was two versions at the time, for the exact reason you gave: it simply wasn't common to have both a dub and a sub version on shelves. Worse, because they literally only stocked the last one in subtitle format and the others in English dub where I lived.
I remember wanting Ghost in the Shell subbed and having to buy the special edition which included two tapes; one dubbed, the other subbed. There was also one time where I got one episode of Gunsmith Cats, and both the dubbed and the subbed version were on the same tape back-to-back. I didn't even know this at first untill watching the entire episode and realizing it went right back to the start of the episode, except now everyone was speaking Japanese.