The value of any life is wholly dependent upon that life's own value of others. Not everyone who commits a murder deserves execution, but my tolerance of another's disregard for human life is severely limited.cuddly_tomato said:So your determination of the value of a human life, even one which has murdered, is down to money? And you think this makes you better do you?Skratt said:It's not about teaching lessons, it's about not paying for murderers.zala-taichou said:You're right, let's just kill them, that'll teach them a lesson they won't soon forget. Less trouble for us too.SinisterSpade|LH| said:Better than a murderer living life on our dime in a already crowded/bloated legal system.zala-taichou said:To think a 'modern state' still uses any form of execution... *tsktsk*
Meh, i'd go for the blindfold, just of added badassery. I'd also take up smoking.Macgyvercas said:It's how I'd like to go if I was sentanced to death. Of the five legal methods of execution in the US:
Hanging: Neck snaps, dead
Gas Chamber: Suffocation, dead
Lethal Injection: Kind of unclear on the specifics, but I think it stops the major organs, dead.
Electric Chair: BZZZZZZT! Dead
Firing Squad: The only manly way among these. It takes stones to look at five guns with guns and yell "HIT ME MOTHERF***ERS!"
Well, considering most prisoners are effectively forced to work for joke pay... The prison system is the only way America can keep alot of its factories in the country, and that's why the prison system is overflowing. They go out of their to get extra prisoners. "Zero Tolerance" my ass.Skratt said:The value of any life is wholly dependent upon that life's own value of others. Not everyone who commits a murder deserves execution, but my tolerance of another's disregard for human life is severely limited.cuddly_tomato said:So your determination of the value of a human life, even one which has murdered, is down to money? And you think this makes you better do you?Skratt said:Snip
It's not about teaching lessons, it's about not paying for murderers.
I absolutely do not believe that my not wanting society (myself included) to suffer financial burden to keep someone alive who commits an act of unabashed disregard for human life is of any moral turpitude.
Because you cite money as the reason. People have the same right to life as you, always. Once you start holding the right to life for some above others you are basically setting the precident that life has a monetary value attached to it. How much money is a rapists life worth? How much should we spend on an armed robber? How about a burglar?SinisterSpade|LH| said:Why am I not surprised to hear this from the person who thought the church of Sweden was valid proof of Sweden not being a mostly atheist/agnostic/non-religious country, mostly because he didn't read the link or do any actual research.cuddly_tomato said:Why not?SinisterSpade|LH| said:They stopped being humans the moment they decided to take a persons life. As I have stated before, at that moment they become nothing more than worthless insects.cuddly_tomato said:So your determination of the value of a human life, even one which has murdered, is down to money? And you think this makes you better do you?Skratt said:It's not about teaching lessons, it's about not paying for murderers.zala-taichou said:You're right, let's just kill them, that'll teach them a lesson they won't soon forget. Less trouble for us too.SinisterSpade|LH| said:Better than a murderer living life on our dime in a already crowded/bloated legal system.zala-taichou said:To think a 'modern state' still uses any form of execution... *tsktsk*
They should be killed as cheaply and effectively as possible. The rest of us shouldn't have to pay money out of our taxes for them to live on our damn dime for the rest of their worthless lives.
And yes, I am better. Don't even try to equate not wanting to fund a damn murderer to taking another persons life.
You want to end someones life because you don't want to pay for that life.
The fate of another human being is balanced entirely by greed and/or your unwilligness to be out of pocket for their continued survival.
This is something I find both morally reprehensible and rather hypocritical.
I want to end that person's life because he ended someone else's. Someone he had no right to kill, someone who had their whole life ahead of them to do whatever they wanted. Possibility great things. I want to end that persons life because of the grief stricken family left behind. I want to end that persons life because they have become no less than an insect.
What right do they have to live, when they have already deprived someone else of that right? And what real use of that life is there, rotting in a prison on our dime? Sure, some people have done useful things in prison such as inventing, or writing wonderful books. But those are few and far between.
I don't want to pay for someone so worthless, who has done the actual reprehensible thing.
To even try to equate not wanting to cloth and feed a murderer, a worthless insect, to killing someone innocent is the most idiotic thing in the world. Though again, expected, coming from you.
Finally, someone who understands. *hands out flowers*BuyableDoor said:yeah, the problem with the death penalty is that it's irreversible. you don'tzala-taichou said:You're right, let's just kill them, that'll teach them a lesson they won't soon forget. Less trouble for us too.SinisterSpade|LH| said:Better than a murderer living life on our dime in a already crowded/bloated legal system.zala-taichou said:To think a 'modern state' still uses any form of execution... *tsktsk*
want to find out years later you executed an innocent.
And yet you disregard the human life of the murderer simply because you don't want "financial burden". It seems to be a fairly obvious double standard.Skratt said:I absolutely do not believe that my not wanting society (myself included) to suffer financial burden to keep someone alive who commits an act of unabashed disregard for human life is of any moral turpitude.
Not morally righteousness, but simple common sense. If one is against murder, then they shouldn't really be sanctioning state sponsored murder of this kind for reasons of financial gain. If you are hateful and angry I can understand that. If you want people who have committed terrible crimes to go in the ground alive or be fed to sharks or something because you don't think they deserve to live - fair enough.Skratt said:Does that way of thinking make me better than them? No, but I can certainly see how you would misconstrue my impassivity for superiority. Many who find themselves morally righteous often do.
No, no it isn't.SinisterSpade|LH| said:Necessary casualties in the long run.BuyableDoor said:yeah, the problem with the death penalty is that it's irreversible. you don'tzala-taichou said:You're right, let's just kill them, that'll teach them a lesson they won't soon forget. Less trouble for us too.SinisterSpade|LH| said:Better than a murderer living life on our dime in a already crowded/bloated legal system.zala-taichou said:To think a 'modern state' still uses any form of execution... *tsktsk*
want to find out years later you executed an innocent.
I take it you have never heard the words of Ghandi? "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." You simply say this because you want vengence on one man for taking the life another for whatever reasons.SinisterSpade|LH| said:Not really.666Chaos said:Its more expensive to have somebody executed then to just give them life in prison.Better than a murderer living life on our dime in a already crowded/bloated legal system.
"In recent years, studies, articles, and reports have been published on the costs associated with the death penalty at the state level. They have generally concluded that, contrary to what many people believe, death sentence cases cost more than nondeath sentence cases. However, we found these conclusions were not adequately supported. Most of the studies did not actually compare death sentence cases with nondeath sentence cases, and some of the studies did not contain actual cost data. Further, even in cases where cost data were cited, these data were incomplete..."
And even if so, in my reworked system it wouldn't matter. One of the changes would that there would be no chance for appeal or anything if convicted. Upon conviction you would be executed outside the courthouse by firing squad.
Why am I not surprised to hear this from the person who thought the church of Sweden was valid proof of Sweden not being a mostly atheist/agnostic/non-religious country, mostly because he didn't read the link or do any actual research.cuddly_tomato said:Why not?SinisterSpade|LH| said:They stopped being humans the moment they decided to take a persons life. As I have stated before, at that moment they become nothing more than worthless insects.cuddly_tomato said:So your determination of the value of a human life, even one which has murdered, is down to money? And you think this makes you better do you?Skratt said:It's not about teaching lessons, it's about not paying for murderers.zala-taichou said:You're right, let's just kill them, that'll teach them a lesson they won't soon forget. Less trouble for us too.SinisterSpade|LH| said:Better than a murderer living life on our dime in a already crowded/bloated legal system.zala-taichou said:To think a 'modern state' still uses any form of execution... *tsktsk*
They should be killed as cheaply and effectively as possible. The rest of us shouldn't have to pay money out of our taxes for them to live on our damn dime for the rest of their worthless lives.
And yes, I am better. Don't even try to equate not wanting to fund a damn murderer to taking another persons life.
You want to end someones life because you don't want to pay for that life.
The fate of another human being is balanced entirely by greed and/or your unwilligness to be out of pocket for their continued survival.
This is something I find both morally reprehensible and rather hypocritical.
I want to end that person's life because he ended someone else's. Someone he had no right to kill, someone who had their whole life ahead of them to do whatever they wanted. Possibly great things. I want to end that persons life because of the grief stricken family left behind. I want to end that persons life because they have become an insect.
What right do they have to live, when they have already deprived someone else of that right? And what real use of that life is there, rotting in a prison on our dime? Sure, some people have done useful things in prison such as inventing, or writing wonderful books. But those are few and far between.
I don't want to pay for someone so worthless, who has done the actual reprehensible thing.
To even try to equate not wanting to cloth and feed a murderer, a worthless insect, to killing someone innocent is the most idiotic thing in the world. Though again, expected, coming from you.
Not if the one guy with an actual live round missed the heart or head.Mechanix said:What's so immoral about firing squad? It's an instant death with pretty much zero pain. I'd rather take that than lethal injection honestly.