Defining Misogynism

[redknightalex]

Is he even really smoking though? I mean his inhales are really tiny, and I don't see any smoke leaving his lungs either.

That, and the "sipping" on water just makes me laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh

I don't think he was smoking. I don't (although I've watched my sister do it a thousand times) and this was the only thing I could concentrate on. I found his fake flicks of the cigarette to be more amusing than whatever the hell was coming out of his mouth.

 

[The Goat Tsar]

I think it's hilarious that he's taking himself seriously, and the fake smoking was great as well. Also, he has a human skull in the background. Which I think is perfect.

 

[Shock and Awe]

While I can see the stuff he is talking about in a significant amount of girls in their teens and early twenties, its a fucking huge stretch to apply this to anyone near a majority of women. But at the same time I can say the same thing about men who are just utter asswipes to women. It goes both ways.

 

[JemothSkarii]

First I had to check if this thread was by Jim Sterling or not...then I remembered it isn't Tuesday (or Monday for Americans).

I'm not even going to check that video, but by the comments I think it's safe to say that he's just some pseudo intellectual with no sense of tact. To think these kinda of threads died down for a little while, it was starting to get nice and relaxed again.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Is this guy bitter? Definitely. Is this guy generalizing? Oh yeah. Is this guy completely wrong? Unfortunately not. It's an ugly thought and it's uncomfortable to admit, but sadly a lot of whet he says is absolutely prevalent, though maybe not always true.

And while I don't agree that videogames should be a boys club or a male space, after going through high school during a time where you pretty much had to hide that you played videogames because most girls would put you on their blacklist for it, yeah I guess now it seems a little bit insulting that they come in making demands and expecting game devs to cater to them. There's already incentive to market to you. If a game markets to you you'll buy it, if it doesn't you won't. Condemning its existence and getting pissed that it isn't for you operates on the premise that everything should be for you.

 

[Lionsfan]

Is this guy bitter? Definitely. Is this guy generalizing? Oh yeah. Is this guy completely wrong? Unfortunately not. It's an ugly thought and it's uncomfortable to admit, but sadly a lot of whet he says is absolutely prevalent, though maybe not always true.

And while I don't agree that videogames should be a boys club or a male space, after going through high school during a time where you pretty much had to hide that you played videogames because most girls would put you on their blacklist for it, yeah I guess now it seems a little bit insulting that they come in making demands and expecting game devs to cater to them. There's already incentive to market to you. If a game markets to you you'll buy it, if it doesn't you won't. Condemning its existence and getting pissed that it isn't for you operates on the premise that everything should be for you.

Do you have any evidence that the sort of stuff he talks about is more prevalent now, than it has been in the past?

As far as the game aspect, what do you mean "expecting game devs to cater to them"? Again, do you have any evidence?

 

[Adeptus Aspartem]

I did it. I watched it. All of it.

Can you please help me. I think i lost a part of my brain somewhere... can't find it...

 

[Saviordd1]

How much of a **** is that guy?
I don't know, I stopped at 15 seconds

Where did you dig this up OP?

I subscribed to him after seeing his Bioshock review through another little known youtuber. His review was okay so I kept with him to see what came of it.

And I got this.

Is this guy bitter? Definitely. Is this guy generalizing? Oh yeah. Is this guy completely wrong? Unfortunately not. It's an ugly thought and it's uncomfortable to admit, but sadly a lot of whet he says is absolutely prevalent, though maybe not always true.

And while I don't agree that videogames should be a boys club or a male space, after going through high school during a time where you pretty much had to hide that you played videogames because most girls would put you on their blacklist for it, yeah I guess now it seems a little bit insulting that they come in making demands and expecting game devs to cater to them. There's already incentive to market to you. If a game markets to you you'll buy it, if it doesn't you won't. Condemning its existence and getting pissed that it isn't for you operates on the premise that everything should be for you.

He's 90% wrong.

Or did you miss the entire part where he fed into the racism against Muslims?

Also, why are you impersonating a youtuber?

First I had to check if this thread was by Jim Sterling or not...then I remembered it isn't Tuesday (or Monday for Americans).

I'm not even going to check that video, but by the comments I think it's safe to say that he's just some pseudo intellectual with no sense of tact. To think these kinda of threads died down for a little while, it was starting to get nice and relaxed again.

To be fair this seems to have turned into more of "Look and laugh" thread.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Do you have any evidence that the sort of stuff he talks about is more prevalent now, than it has been in the past?

As far as the game aspect, what do you mean "expecting game devs to cater to them"? Again, do you have any evidence?

I wouldn't say I've necessarily seen any huge rise in it, more that I've seen a lot of the things in spades. I mean it's not like I took photo documentation of how many girls I slept with when I tried to win them over by listening to them and buying them drinks vs how many I did once I learned that acting like they're barely worth it works way better, or how many of my totally whipped friends got treated like shit and then dumped. I'm not a sociologist and I don't care enough about forum debates to catalog those kinds of things. Sorry. I'm just speaking from genuine experience. If you want, you can look up some youtube videos of women giving legitimate dating advice and you'll generally see the tone of it is either "man, do more" or "woman, expect less," both of which operate on the assumption that the man should be the one jumping through the hoops to impress the woman.

But again, this is a prevalent trend, not a definite rule.

As for the second part I mean, the dragon's crown debacle, hitman's bondage nuns, the huge amount of support drawn for Anita Sarkeesian's "tropes vs women in videogames," there's definitely a large group of women that feel some sense of entitlement to being catered to, or at very least feel disrespected when they aren't being catered to.

And don't get me wrong, this guy is probably just an angry little gnome that can't get laid. He's definitely biased and overgeneralizing. I'm just saying he's not completely inaccurate.

He's 90% wrong.

Or did you miss the entire part where he fed into the racism against Muslims?

Also, why are you impersonating a youtuber?

I didn't watch the last 4-5 minutes of it so yeah I did.

Also it's mainly because I have no body hair whatsoever and I want to pretend I'm someone with body hair. Eyebrows and such.

 

[briankoontz]

Srsly this guy should run for president of Reddit or something.

You think Reddit is the pinnacle of internet misogyny.

How quaint.

...unless you want your illusions shattered, never go onto 4chan.

True misogyny needs to be separated from people being insecure or douchebags. People of each gender "look down on the opposite sex" out of sexual insecurity, without actually hating the opposite sex.

Many people find it "fun", rather than personally demeaning, to get together with same gender people and insult the opposite sex. It helps them relax to take out their frustrations and difficulties, often associated with relationship problems.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

And pray tell, how are those examples in any way different to, let's say, any one of the other five billion times that gamers have criticised something about a game? Like the time people bitched about Mass Effect 3's ending, or the bugs in Skyrim, or the misleading advertising for Aliens: Colonial Marines, or microtransactions, or overpriced DLC, or always-online requirements for single-player campaigns, or bad combat controls, or QTEs or [insert other five billion examples here].

Fact: a sense of entitlement is part of being a consumer. Gamers are the ones who pay for the games that developers make, therefore gamers are entitled to speak up about what they do and don't want to see in video games that they pay for. The thing about supply and demand is that, well, you need demands.

Are only male gamers allowed to feel entitled now? Is that part of the whole "No girls allowed" rulebook that apparently got handed out when I wasn't looking?

A consumer isn't actually entitled to anything at all. There's obviously a benefit to pleasing a consumer, but nobody is entitled to a good ending in mass effect 3, or for skyrim to have no glitches. Aliens was debatably false advertising which is illegal, but gamers are not entitled to a good aliens game either.

That aside, most of the things you mentioned (aside from QTEs) are either bad consumer practices or not meeting established consumer expectations. Dragon's Crown is a new IP with no established consumer expectation regarding the portrayal of women. It's not like Metroid: Other M where it took an established dignified female protagonist and objectified her (allegedly, I didn't play it) because in that case it would be on exactly the same level as complaining about Mass Effect's ending. It's the idea of "THERE EXISTS A THING THAT IS NOT MARKETED FOR ME, I AM ANGRY!" that I see as presumptive entitlement.

 

[Uhura]

Yeah, keep spamming forums with fake photos taken straight from reddit. I hear there are a few made of Anita too, maybe you can post those next.

 

[anthony87]

Yeah, keep spamming forums with fake photos taken straight from reddit. I hear there are a few made of Anita too, maybe you can post those next.

I'd hardly call posting 1 photo "spamming"....

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Also, you still haven't addressed your attitude of "women don't belong in the gaming community because some girls in high school refused to sleep with me," and until you do it's hard to take you seriously.

You have this nasty habit of putting words in my mouth. I literally said right before that that I don't think gaming should be a boy's club. My point with that was that it used to be. Before guitar hero, before the wii, before xbox live, before the iphone, that female demographic was marginally smaller. So when the new demographic comes in and gets angry at the industry making games for what used to be its main demographic, there's an understandable sense of enmity around the notion.